Question for DMT enthusiasts

[Flickering]

Does this sound intuitively true to you? I've just done ayahuasca, and I'm curious to see if it makes sense or if I'm just rambling.

Death is simply the heaviest trip imaginable. Once you get there, if you're able to look back on your life, you'll see it was nothing but another window, a tunnel within that trip. Everything you ever did, you actually did unconsciously, because you were asleep, unaware that you were dreaming. To remember that there is a greater experience outside of your life would have been to become awake inside the dream. Perhaps this would manifest as dissociation, psychosis or even enlightenment.

 

[rickolasnice]

This has nothing to do with DMT and is very similar to your other thread..

As for your post.. Whatever makes you happy man.. Enjoy the trip

 

[-=SS=-]

I think it depends on the level of development a person has achieved in their life. From what I've read it seems there are different experiences depending on the level of the person, the level being the highest experience they've had in their life. According to Gurdjieff there is Man #1-3 (most people), and Man #4-7 (people on the path, up to Enlightenment). 1 is instinctive, they experience nothing at death, oblivion, as they were never awake in the first place. 2 is emotional, they will see loved ones, religious figures, or people they identify with on that level. 3 is intellectual, they will see geometric patterns, vistas, and such.

Only those who have crystallized themselves as it were, man #4-7, will remain after death. #1-3 may experience something but will soon dissolve away, a second death.

I do think the moments before you die though, if you're lucky enough to die slowly, will reveal to you many things as the various egos of your mind fall away and you see what was really real in you all along. This may be painful to experience though as you may realize you were never alive at all during your life, that you were never really real.

Sorry for the ramble, but that's all I could think of.

 

[malakaix]

This has nothing to do with DMT and is very similar to your other thread..

What other thread of his?

I can relate Flickering; perhaps not specifically to the details of your post but in general. An experience with DMT 5 years ago completely and forever altered my view on life and death and my relation to it. In many ways it reminded me of a motorcycle accident i was involved in a year prior.. i was struck down while crossing the road in a hit and run almost fracturing my left leg and hipbone but completely knocking me over.. the shock of the experience catapulted me into total tunnel vision; the world around me was a blur of sounds and colors.. it was all just noise and distractions; there was only that moment.. as though everything had lead upto this very moment of singularity.

My experience with DMT followed a similar pattern that went deeper into a single unifying stream of consciousness.

Now i stand here with a very existentially nihilistic view on life; but acknowledging that i have total responsibility for the value and meaning of it. It's a question of 'What now?' that only i can answer..

 

[rickolasnice]

Ah fair play.. different poster 8)

May I ask what you think caused the nihilistic turn in you?

 

[malakaix]

May I ask what you think caused the nihilistic turn in you?

I think it was a combination of the realization of no objective meaning through psychedelics and then years of post-awakening life, travel, life experience and my slow exit from psychedelics that eventually lead me towards the conclusion that meaning and value are without foundation, it's all subjective. Perhaps i adopted this perspective as a means of attaining control over my chaotic life; from this point of view i am free from the notion that life has objective meaning and thus pre-determined value and purpose, instead i take full responsibility in creating and defining my own meaning, value and purpose.

Sorry for the quotes below, i just wanted to clear up any confusion about what i meant.. nihilism often carries with it certain connotations. [ And i hope im not hijacking your thread too much Flickering! ]

"Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. With respect to the universe, existential nihilism posits that a single human or even the entire human species is insignificant, without purpose and unlikely to change in the totality of existence. According to the theory, each individual is an isolated being born into the universe, barred from knowing "why", yet compelled to invent meaning"

Thus, existential nihilism shares with other forms of nihilism the idea that life lacks any objective meaning or purpose because of the lack of gods to provide such purpose. Where they differ, however, is in the fact that existential nihilists do not regard this situation as a reason to despair or to commit suicide. Instead, given the right attitude and understanding of life, the possibility for personal meaning is still possible.

 

[swilow]

^Interesting. In some ways, I've encountered a similar 'revelation' (a term I use now with great hesitation...) through similar means (but also addiction and recovery), that there is no inherent, objective meaning or purpose or even reality to 'rely' on. But I've decided that this pure subjectivity, which is actually self-evident when you consider it, shouldn't trivialise or nullify or really alter the value of anything I've learned or gone through, and that through this understanding, I can assign any desired value upon any given circumstance that I wish. Of course, its not that simple but it can be really liberating when it works...

Death is simply the heaviest trip imaginable.

I like the notion you have described and the idea that the troubles of this life will one day seem distant or minor (at that time when we live amongst the bigger picture), but this does assume that there exists a continuation of consciousness after death. Given the miraculous fact that our intricate bodies (constructed of the same matter and utilising the same energetic processes as the rest of the universe, atoms bound in unity for a short period of unique dynamacism) and brain- the physical architecture of it- seems inseperable from the experiences it mysteriously generates? translates?, I don't know if I can fathom a form of consciousness that would resemble our current one if the machinery it requires has been disbanded and reassimilated. I guess we are talking of the Persistent Soul, to which I have a express a certain confusion.

 

[Flickering]

generates? translates?

Confines?

 

[malakaix]

^Interesting. In some ways, I've encountered a similar 'revelation' (a term I use now with great hesitation...) through similar means (but also addiction and recovery), that there is no inherent, objective meaning or purpose or even reality to 'rely' on. But I've decided that this pure subjectivity, which is actually self-evident when you consider it, shouldn't trivialise or nullify or really alter the value of anything I've learned or gone through, and that through this understanding, I can assign any desired value upon any given circumstance that I wish. Of course, its not that simple but it can be really liberating when it works...

I absolutely agree.