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i my self am an opiate addict and i want to assure you all i am in NO way judging anyone.

however i am curious, what do most alcoholics see in alcohol? i enjoy every drug a lot except alcohol. i love benzos and other GABA drugs, but not booze. i only drink occasionally. all it seems too do is make people stupid and turn them into angry assholes. i just dont see the appeal as much as say heroin or meth.

when i was in rehab most alcoholics said it was the ease of access. you can buy beer almost anywhere. yet some had access to xanax or other benzos and they ALL liked alcohol more. some had even given up other drugs for booze! i just dont see why they pick such a "dirty high". i understand the concept of how addiction works, but for some reason alcoholism just seems silly, like being addicted to DXM, but with life threatening withdrawals.

anyone care to school me? haha. i apologize if ive upset anyone.
 
Addiction is a wildly complex process... a number of factors COMMONLY (not always) influence the development when it comes to alcoholism....

-access/availability
-social acceptability
-cost

Beyond these logistical reasons, people commonly look to alcohol to release inhibitions and calm anxiety as well as medicate other issues.

Oftentimes people can rationalize drinking something because its one of the most natural biological functions over snorting, shooting, smoking or popping something.

Drinking is woven into so much of the tapestry of our society that its pervasive and inescapable.

Alcohol is usually one of, if not the, first drugs people are introduced to and due to the ease of access, people who drink problematically will develop rituals and habits surrounding it so just like heroin addicts' who get a needle fixation, the ACT of drinking itself becomes nearly as important as the pharmacological aspects of ethanol itself.


This isn't really OD material so we'll try it in Drug Culture and they might want to do something else with it.


--->DC
 
not sure man, i'm also a heroin addict. well i havent done it in almost a month now, because i moved to a small town where i have no access to it so i could rid myself of this 11 year habit. but anyway i drank pretty much every day that whole time and continue to even though if i drink too much i feel like shit the next day. i guess its just another way to not feel normal and have to deal with all the bullshit. and it is easy to get and pretty cheap compared to heroin. and i love the taste of whiskey and beer! but i'm not addicted to alcohol i can not drink for days and have no adverse effects. so i'm not sure what its like to be addicted to alcohol. i really hope it never happens to me though because unlike the withdrawals i went through with the heroin it was not life threatening.
 
I'm an addict of all things. Personally, alcohol is my least favorite drug but it didn't stop me from drinking every day when I was unstable and my benzo scripts didn't do what I needed them to. The availability, effective anxiety reduction, and social acceptability certainly add to it's appeal.
 
Alcoholics see the same thing in booze that you do in heroin. It's simple.
 
The biggest appeal:

You can get it anywhere, and
It's always going to be there.

A dealer will get a script of xanax or clonazepam or whatever. but eventually,

he will run out

Of course, theres always that other guy who might have some.

Or you could just go to wal mart and get booze. or the gas station. or anywhere really. i could go get some out of my parent's cupboard if i wanted.

ease of access. you can go in to the store, buy it, and no one will fuck with you. It's legal and all you gotta do is know how to drink a liquid. which isnt very hard.

basically all I'm trying to say is, it's much easier to keep an addiction to alcohol going, because the drug is everywhere.

im sorry if "anywhere" is not a real word. im 99% sure it is. but you never know
 
cheap, easy access, socially acceptable, etc.

I am not an alcoholic, but I do love to drink, and more or less get drunk every Friday/Saturday or other day where I dont have work in the AM.


I smoke pot a lot and drink a lot. Neither of them to a problematic degree though. I have done coke and oxy in my life, but never regularly simply because I know those drugs can ruin your life so I never did them regularly at all (I do not use them at all now that I am an adult with responsibility's).


I stick to weed and booze simply because they will not get me in serious legal trouble and I have used em long enough to know I can do it without having problems.
 
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It's the easy, cheap euphoria. Alcohol is among the more toxic of drugs for sure, yet, it's been nearly universal in human culture for thousands of years.

Cocaine is another story. I've tried it a few times lately, and what strikes me is how creepy the whole scene is. It is so expensive that it leads people to become very secretive, two faced and down right criminal. Unless your scene is among the rather well heeled, I have found that it just puts you at risk for being ripped off. These are the kind of sketch people who will try breaking into your house when the party's over.

No such phenom happens with ethanol.
 
Roger32 said:
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I am not an alcoholic, but I do love to drink, and more or less get drunk every Friday/Saturday or other day where I dont have work in the AM.
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That's a slippery slope my friend. Much like saying, "I'm not a junky, but I chip every Friday and Saturday and everyday I don't have to work the next." You see the problem in that statement, right?

Roger32 said:
I smoke pot a lot and drink a lot. Neither of them to a problematic degree though. I have done coke and oxy in my life, but never regularly simply because I know those drugs can ruin your life so I never did them regularly at all (I do not use them at all now that I am an adult with responsibility's).
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Alcohol and benzos can ruin your life just in the same way Cocaine and ethanol can. You're ascribing danger to one of those drugs and not the other because of it's social acceptability. That is a dangerous thing.
 
I love alcohol, proper hydration keeps the bad side efftects at bay, and I love the synergy with chronic.

A blunt and a few 40's or whatever is about my favorite high. I know where it's gonna take me each and every time. You don't always have that with other illegal drugs, not that I don't love em.
 
Alcohol is easy to get and is socially acceptable. It gave me a wonderful euphoria and relief from anxiety and inhibitions. That's why it was my DOC for so many years.

Opiates make me nauseous, dizzy and sleepy. They have little to no recreational value to me.
 
kurt_cocaine said:
i my self am an opiate addict and i want to assure you all i am in NO way judging anyone.

however i am curious, what do most alcoholics see in alcohol? i enjoy every drug a lot except alcohol. i love benzos and other GABA drugs, but not booze. i only drink occasionally. all it seems too do is make people stupid and turn them into angry assholes. i just dont see the appeal as much as say heroin or meth.

when i was in rehab most alcoholics said it was the ease of access. you can buy beer almost anywhere. yet some had access to xanax or other benzos and they ALL liked alcohol more. some had even given up other drugs for booze! i just dont see why they pick such a "dirty high". i understand the concept of how addiction works, but for some reason alcoholism just seems silly, like being addicted to DXM, but with life threatening withdrawals.

anyone care to school me? haha. i apologize if ive upset anyone.
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You need no dealer, no problems with the score, it's instant and it's cheap. As for it being a dirty high, your right, it is a dirty high but addiction changes that, it feels clean as fuck if that's all you do.
 
Personally, I love just about everything better than alcohol but those points in my previous post is why I'm constantly drinking. I would prefer just about ANYTHING else, I just can't get it on a regular basis.
 
euphoricnod said:
That's a slippery slope my friend. Much like saying, "I'm not a junky, but I chip every Friday and Saturday and everyday I don't have to work the next." You see the problem in that statement, right?

Alcohol and benzos can ruin your life just in the same way Cocaine and ethanol can. You're ascribing danger to one of those drugs and not the other because of it's social acceptability. That is a dangerous thing.
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I do not see it as a problem. I pretty much only view things as an "addiction" if you need it every day. Since I regularly go 3-4 days in a row without drinking without cravings, I do not see how it can be an addiction
 
My love for alcohol? Where do I start really...

The socially acceptable part I wont touch on really, as I find it's probably the easiest drug to get into legal trouble with. Drinking everyday at the bar and driving home is nullified by the fact that you're going to get arrested sooner than socially eating pills with your friends and driving around.

The thing I always hear people state and I never understood to be a bad thing was this concept that its a "dirty" drug. Maybe I need a drug thats going to annihilate all parts of my brain equally. And maybe that's the true appeal to me. You know I've tried benzo's and they were great until my tolerance to them exploded and the buzz you get fails to happen. Also got my hands on some oxycodone and my mouth watered at the stories I've been told, 5x5mg percs later with absolutely no tolerance to opiates, and i felt nothing but nausea while smoking cigarettes. I don't recall any euphoria, any sedation, any anxiety reduction. And those things would be what I look for in a downer. Maybe alcohol and opiates have some cross tolerance on some level, who knows.

At the end of the day, what I need my drug to do is to shut my brain down. I don't need a reduction in anxiety so much as I need and a reduction in absolute thoughts in general. I don't wanna think, I don't wanna be even moderately functional. I want to be blown out into oblivion, dark and silent and complete. Then, I want to sleep like the dead, until work tomorrow. Alcohol hasn't failed me yet in many years.
 
WeaponsGradeSex said:
I don't wanna think, I don't wanna be even moderately functional. I want to be blown out into oblivion, dark and silent and complete. Then, I want to sleep like the dead, until work tomorrow. Alcohol hasn't failed me yet in many years.
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I think that's mostly why it's called a dirty high, along with the MOA having to drink, have it sit in your stomach, pass through your liver. A clean high in comparrison, would be a fat line of cocaine, quick, happy euphoric and fully functional for a short time.
 
IntoxicatedDMMKM said:
I think that's mostly why it's called a dirty high, along with the MOA having to drink, have it sit in your stomach, pass through your liver. A clean high in comparrison, would be a fat line of cocaine, quick, happy euphoric and fully functional for a short time.
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Oh absolutely. I just never understood "dirty" to be a bad thing is all... Simply explaining what i desire and how alcohol delivers that time and again.
 
alcohol is super euphoric. i find it to be just as euphoric as opiates. i don't use alcohol currently but i see the major drawbacks to it as being the hangover and general toxicity. it's top notch in terms of the quality of the high as far as i'm concerned. feels like an orgasm to me. i can't understand how anyone could prefer benzos, unless it was because they didn't want a hangover the next day.
 
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