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Question about old DMT that has lost potency - what to do with it?

k.bear

k.bear

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Hi!

So I have some old DMT freebase that has been sitting around for a while (it's gone a quite distinctive yellow/brown colour). I've had some very interesting experiences from it previously (no breakthroughs though) but now after it's got a bit old, even though I stored it in the dark in two sealy bags and then inside an airtight container, it just doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot.

I smoked a decent two or three full chambers of the stuff in my standard mini Hennessy bottle machine (my standard dose is 50mg) but where it used too send me to a very strange place full of fractals, flowing long curtains and heads morphed into shapes that they shouldn't be (plus a lovely chilled colour show when closing the eyes) now all I get is mild trails when I move my hands, slightly more intense colours, and not a lot else.

* I think that this DMT is past it's prime. I don't want to throw it away though as it still has at least some effect. What can I do with this weak stuff?

* One suggestion is to sprinkle 100mg in a spliff and hope it makes it a bit mildly trippier. Problem is, I rarely smoke weed.

* I guess I could load 100mg into my machine and smoke the lot until there is nothing less. Perhaps that could provide an interesting experience. Would be worth trying I guess (although I'm really not convinced by the weakness of the DMT that this would happen - only one way too find out though).

Does anyone have any more suggestions?

* Could I use "science" to turn it into something else more effective, cheaply?
* Is it basically not much use now?
* Are there any options that I've not considered?

Your help would be much appreciated.

And thanks for listening to my ramblings!
 
kidklmx said:
Maybe try oral administration with an MAOI?
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Thanks, I did think about this briefly. Still concerned about the weakness of the DMT but worth a try I think.

How would I go about doing this? Would the effects be more like changa? Do I need to do a chemical reaction to create a new compound or do I need just take the DMT orally along with an (alkaloid / harmanoid - I forget the name)? Syrian rue springs to mind from some things that I've researched?

Very open to possibilities and advice, but I feel like a neophyte in need of some guidance.

Thanks again for the advice! Bluelight is such an awesome community. I like how we (mostly) all seem to know a decent amount about some thing and are happy to share that knowledge. It all balances out in the long run :)

<3
 
You need an MAOI like moclobemide (trade name aurorix). Take a 300mg tablet, 30 mins later drop the DMT mixed in coca-cola (the phosphate salt is slightly less nauseating). The effects take about 20 mins to come on, then you're in the middle of the most psychedelic experience of your life, and the greatest body high of any drug including MDMA. Lasts about 1.5-2.5 hours.
 
just be sure that if you do plan to take a big dose, smoked or otherwise, it wont be of different potency to what you think you have (as in, maybe you just sampled some weak material and the rest is still good...). if you have enough you might try mixing it all up till homogenous and smoke a bit to make sure its not too potent...
 
Ismene said:
You need an MAOI like moclobemide (trade name aurorix). Take a 300mg tablet, 30 mins later drop the DMT mixed in coca-cola (the phosphate salt is slightly less nauseating). The effects take about 20 mins to come on, then you're in the middle of the most psychedelic experience of your life, and the greatest body high of any drug including MDMA. Lasts about 1.5-2.5 hours.
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What is your recommended dose of the DMT with 300 mg moclobemide?
 
Hard to tell the exact dose - I usually just fill up a 00 capsule - perhaps a capsule and a half.
 
People mostly dose around 100mg-150mg afaik, but that's just from reading
 
Can I use anything other than Moclobemide / Aurorix? It's prescription only in the UK and hard to get hold of (as far as I can tell, at least from my basic Google searches).

So I need to take a MAOI like Moclobemide (or... answers on a postcard for a different MAOI?) and how many mg of DMT freebase? Previous posts say 100-150mg? The DMT freebase goes in a capsule right, and is taken orally along with the MAOI?

As an aside: I have some changa arriving tomorrow. It's a weaker blend ("party mix", 0.5g total blend) with 30% DMT mixed with MAOIs and and a little bit of a ayahuasca base (I'm guessing a tiny amount). Is there anything process I can use to add my supposedly weak freebase DMT to this weak-ish changa to make it a bit stronger?

Thanks in advance!
 
MAOIs are syrian rue, caapi vine. How experienced are you with DMT? 150mg sounds low to me but it depends what you enjoy. Take the MAOI 30 mins before you take the DMT (mixed in cola).

Not sure what "ayahuasca base" is. Ayahuasca is the caapi vine which is pretty much inactive on it's own - you need the DMT to trip.
 
I think the yellowish degradation product is supposed to be the N-oxide (may be among other compounds), which is indeed said to be weaker in effect. Maybe it can be salvaged and converted back by an A/B extraction involving ascorbic acid?
Not sure if using DMT N-oxide with MAOIs improves on the effects... if the derivative is intrinsically devoid of potential for profound effects, inhibiting metabolism may not fix that.
 
To be honest k-bear I wouldn't worry about it losing it's potency. I had some in a glass jar for about 5 years and it's still as potent today as ever.
 
Ismene said:
To be honest k-bear I wouldn't worry about it losing it's potency. I had some in a glass jar for about 5 years and it's still as potent today as ever.
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I should totally just try it again when I'm stone-cold sober. I was off my tits* when I last tried it so that could have been a factor ;)

* story of my life
 
...and for the record I store it in a sealy bag, inside a "smell proof" bag, inside a supposedly air-tight glass jar, inside a shoebox (so no light is getting into that sucker). I think I've done all that I reasonably can short of putting it in the freezer (which seems like a ball-ache to be honest).
 
Wait, DMT degrades!? :! I have mine stored at a bit below room temperature, away from light and air but it has also become a bit discolored (yellow/brown) and I haven't touched it in like 2-3 years. Is it probably just crap now? How long was yours stored?
 
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing... I have some that looks a little degraded, but at the same time I don't want to smoke it thinking it won't do anything and get my metaphysical asshole caught off guard...
 
The nexus has a bit more reading on N-Oxide, but the general take is that it just isn't as powerful as n,n-DMT. Color doesn't have to mean anything though, other things could cause the yellow color.

Maybe try a sub-breakthrough dose to see if it's just as powerful as ever?
 
Dude just load the pipe with all of it and start vaporizing. Thats what I would do. You're not obligated to smoke it all, just keep hitting it until you breakthrough. Otherwise your substance will go to waste...what else could you do with it? If the potency decreased when you vaporize it then it won't be any different taken orally.
 
phantomcosmonaut said:
Dude just load the pipe with all of it and start vaporizing. Thats what I would do. You're not obligated to smoke it all, just keep hitting it until you breakthrough. Otherwise your substance will go to waste...what else could you do with it? If the potency decreased when you vaporize it then it won't be any different taken orally.
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This person speaks sense. I think this is the way to go. It's not like you have to smoke the whole lot, just hit it until you're done.

Worst case scenario: things get mildly trippy, no breakthrough. That's a semi-win.
 
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