Question about Ketamine

[ThaDudeAbides]

I have a good history with this compound, but I wanted some opinions. I can get Vials or HCL Keta. I know how to cook liquid. My main question is...

Would measuring it in liquid form be better than if I cooked it in the oven and turned into nice yellow powder. The HCL I can get is the nice white pebbles I loved YEARS ago.

I want to order some of this, but I want the best bank for the buck so to speak. SO, K kids, is oral liquid using using an oral syringe just as good as double plate cooking or not?

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

As in would oral ketamine dosing be better than insufflated?
I've heard oral ketamine lacks a lot of psychedelic effects and mainly affects your motor skills, as far as I'm concerned with ketamine nasal all the way, but I've never tried IM but am pretty curious about it

 

[sekio]

Oral ketamine (and rectal) has a much lower bioavailiability than insufflated, so there's no real point in keeping the solution around unless you want to IM it.

 

[lightforce]

Go for the vials anyway. Then you know its not cut. I wish I had a connection for vials, the shit around here is garbage as of late. (Hell we had some blue tinted K going around, I haven't seen it but my buddy tried some)

Oral dosing is very wasteful and is going to wreak havoc on your stomach if you go long binges on just oral doses. Consider 50mg bump up the nose vs ~300mg for oral.

But I hear IM is the bees knees.

 

[Solipsis]

If it turns yellow you might be degrading some of the ketamine by burning it. Because there is just ketamine and salt in there are they normally are colorless.

Don't use ketamine orally, it is very wasteful and you get different effects because a lot of it is converted into norketamine which can give very physical sensations but also associated side-effects.

I.M. is vastly superior in my opinion, I can understand how it has a psychological threshold but I am glad I use a few drugs that way that benefit from that specific route of administration.

Whether vials are more economical depends on what purity powder / crystal you can get and how they are priced. Just figure that out for yourself.

 

[ThaDudeAbides]

Sounds good folks. I have experience cooking it so that's not an issue. FYI, IM, IV isn't an option for me. Oral is my ROA which is why I thought liquid would be better. Usually takes me 50mg to reach the point I want for K.

I'll stick with the vials. Thanks for answering my questions.

I wish I wasn't so afraid of IM/IV or I'd take Solipsis' advice and go IM.

 

[dropsonde]

uhh.. isnt it better to use a double boiler type setup to cook ketamine... yellow doesnt sound right.

 

[Solipsis]

Indeed, dropsonde is right. You might have experience with cooking it, but that doesn't mean your cooking habit is correct. Avoid direct heating, a double boiler setup prevents temperatures from going higher than 100'C / 210'F. It is possible to use a microwave which also does not heat directly but heats via excitation of water which again imposes that limit in a way.

Insufflation (snorting) is much better than oral.

For oral use there is no real advantage for either liquid or solid form. For snorting you obviously need solid form, you can't snort the liquid from the vial. The ketamine from the vial might have the advantage of being more pure (again, depending entirely on how pure the ketamine powder is you can get), but for snorting the ketamine from the vials is at a slight general disadvantage since it contains salt which is a bit shitty to snort. The impurities in the ketamine powder you can get can be quite bad to ingest in general, or they might be harmful. The actual purity level divided over the price determines what is economical. The ketamine from the vials is of course ideal to inject since it is sterile as long as you keep the cap on, and the salt at a physiological concentration makes it isotonic which neither dehydrates not desalinates your muscle if used via I.M.
To inject ketamine bought in powder form, it must first be analyzed to make sure there are no impurities or cuts that are inappropriate or harmful to inject. Furthermore it must be sterilized by using something like a 0.2 micron wheel filter, and you can optionally add salt before filtering. And you would need a sterile container like a vial, even for intermittent clean storage.

I think these are all the advantages and disadvantages.