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Question about heroin?

thepool

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i usually get half a gram every 2 weeks or so and smoke it in 1-2 days and have never really gotten withdrawal symtoms when i leave it 10-13 days between smoking H

i was wondering would i be able to smoke half a g every 5-7 days and not get w/d or does anyone have any idea what the time frame is to not get withdrawal symtoms?
 
It doesn't work like that, buddy. Eventually it'll go from every 5-7 day, to every 3 days, and then you'll somehow justify doing it every other day and then it's got you. When it gets you, it will be a relationship that will end you up either in prison, institutions, or death. Heroin will take everything away from you, I know because I was an addict for 11 years (I still occasionally dabble, even though I'm on methadone).
 
oh ive done it everyday and was strung out for a couple of years. i only take it every 10 days or so now and just wanna see what everyones opinion/experiences have been regarding this question
 
Well if that's the case, then no you probably won't develop a physical addiction if you only are going to be taking it every 10 days or so. But What I said in my previous post still stands true here.
 
dont i know it, but im gonna try and smoke every 5 days or so cos i need me fix more often

ill report back with the findings....hopefully no clucking!?
 
It doesn't work like that, buddy. Eventually it'll go from every 5-7 day, to every 3 days, and then you'll somehow justify doing it every other day and then it's got you. When it gets you, it will be a relationship that will end you up either in prison, institutions, or death. Heroin will take everything away from you, I know because I was an addict.
*only 4 years for me but still....

Could not have said it better myself.
 
I answered your question already, if you only do heroin every 7-10 days, then no you won't develop a physical dependence. Give it a try, hey maybe you have the will power to do that - but 99.9% of people don't. Heroin is a prodrug for one of the most addictive drugs in the world - morphine.
 
I answered your question already, if you only do heroin every 7-10 days, then no you won't develop a physical dependence. Give it a try, hey maybe you have the will power to do that - but 99.9% of people don't. Heroin is a prodrug for one of the most addictive drugs in the world - morphine.



Dont mean to get off the subject here but have you ever seen the movie, The Men That Stare At Goats? Does George Clooney shoot up morphine in the movie? It seems he was addicted to it.
 
Dont mean to get off the subject here but have you ever seen the movie, The Men That Stare At Goats? Does George Clooney shoot up morphine in the movie? It seems he was addicted to it.

I haven't seen the movie, but most likely yes it was morphine because that what they them in the military. A lot of them come back home with drug addictions.

But heroin/morphine is all the same shit. Same drug, heroin is just a quicker acting form. di-acetyl-morphine, morphine acetate, or diamorphine. Those are all names for "heroin".
 
Kokaino, do you really believe that for 99.9% of people, heroin will mean their downfall? I don't mean to sound snarky, but maybe you should read some more books. I've got some book recommendations I can give you that you might find insightful.

The truth is that, as with alcohol and nearly every other substance on the face of the planet, the majority of people can use heroin recreationally while a certain percentage will experience addiction.

I'm not entirely sure why people have this idea that there is something inherently different about heroin from all other substances that makes it virtually impossible to use recreationally. Heroin addiction is always described as being something unavoidable, guaranteed, and "just a matter of time," but alcoholism is never described in this way; and at the end of the day, while alcohol and heroin are two different substances, they're substances, and they create certain effects that some people may come to discover or feel as though they need.
 
I haven't met one person who can use any opiate just recreationally/socially like the way alcohol or even cocaine sometimes are used.

Opiates are on a whole other level. Most heroin junkies that start off say they'll do it every weekend, then it turns into wednesdays too, then every other day and then your addiction grips you.

I don't know what your experience with opioids is like, but for most people addiction is usually the outcome.
 
verso, you also have to consider that alcohol has always been socially acceptable and, with the exception of a few years, always been legal. I do not think that there would ever be studies sanctioned that would compare REAL (not in a lab setting) alcohol and heroin dependence rates.

I agree that by and large most people do not use substances in an addictive fashion. But, the original poster is asking about gradually increasing how often he uses with a history of being strung out for years. The issue of being addicted I think is moot.
 
verso, you also have to consider that alcohol has always been socially acceptable and, with the exception of a few years, always been legal. I do not think that there would ever be studies sanctioned that would compare REAL (not in a lab setting) alcohol and heroin dependence rates.

I agree that by and large most people do not use substances in an addictive fashion. But, the original poster is asking about gradually increasing how often he uses with a history of being strung out for years. The issue of being addicted I think is moot.

It's true, and I think that its social acceptability and media attention is what damns heroin. However fashionable it may be to blame the media, the truth is that, well, it is, in part, the media.

No one has ever knocked on my door to talk to me about using heroin recreationally, and I do, I use heroin and other opiates recreationally. I have been for some time now, two, almost three years. It's just not a good story. No one is interested in reading about the average, twenty-three year old, middle class professional whatever who cops bundles on the weekend to unwind.

And I do not believe that I am the exception to the rule, that I am something extraordinary, or that "it's a matter of time." I know more addicts than I do occasional users, sure, but I also know others like me who use responsibly and only occasionally, even intravenous users.

We cannot help believing that substances are more powerful than they really are, but the truth is that substances cue maybe two or three minute physiological changes, say, to the salivatory glands or to the pupils, that in turn the user experiences as something ridiculous, the taste of food or the intensity of lights. The point is that substances actually "do" far less than they appear.

And similarly, no substance is inherently addictive. No chemist, doctor, or psychologist can point to the heroin molecule and identify its one physical property or attribute that makes it addictive. It's not the substance, and it's not the user, but it's both.

The user takes the substance; the substance cues two or three small physiological changes in the user; the user experiences these changes and if the experience is positive and the user is prone to addiction, then he or she may continue using and allow the substance to take first priority.

So then drugs are really just film directors. The experiences we have are films, and a positive experience will become a film that we may watch often. But for some, watching films may be all that they are ever interested in doing.

There's a great book that I think really helps to put all of this, substances, dependence and addiction into perspective. It's called The Natural Mind by Andrew T. Weil.
 
I haven't met one person who can use any opiate just recreationally/socially like the way alcohol or even cocaine sometimes are used.

Opiates are on a whole other level. Most heroin junkies that start off say they'll do it every weekend, then it turns into wednesdays too, then every other day and then your addiction grips you.

I don't know what your experience with opioids is like, but for most people addiction is usually the outcome.

true, Being a opiate addict and alcoholic I can say one thing.

I cant get drunk at work everyday whats the alternative

Though I will say opiates make me work extra hard at work and a better employee
 
When comparing the wide accpetance of alcohol to heroin, I believe its not the powder of heroin that turns people off but the "needle" used to get high when taking that route. When heroin is glorified in movies, its rarely seen being snorted. They usually depict the heroin user/addict as down & out & using the needle either in their arm or other parts of their bodies.

See, I plan on using morphine one day but as far as shooting it up with a needle, its never gonna happen, at least I hope not.......even tho shooting up morphine is the best way to do it, I still wont because of how disgusting I think that method is, besides that, I hate needles & so do most people, that is why heroin is looked down upon so harshly.

Its okay to go out & get drunk & smash your car just as long as no one gets hurt but to do be caught shooting up heroin even tho it hurts no one but yourself (case being) is looked down upon 10x fold.
 
true, Being a opiate addict and alcoholic I can say one thing.

I cant get drunk at work everyday whats the alternative

Though I will say opiates make me work extra hard at work and a better employee




Years ago I tried drinking & cooking as I managed my fathers restaurant & it doesnt work. I have an alcoholic cousin that owns a bar & use to get hammered every night trying to run the bar, it doesnt work.......so his wife needed to always be there. Alcohol impairs your judgement way too much to be able to make important decisions.
 
Where I live, ironically enough, a DUI costs about 3x as much as possession of anything. Drugs here are a slap on the wrist unless you are habitual or it is a distribution etc. charge.
 
the majority of people can use heroin recreationally

I know more addicts than I do occasional users, sure

I think you're oversimplifying things. What you're talking about is impulse control and the reward mechanism which can be likened to compulsive gambling.

Drugs like heroin, cocaine, MDPV and so on have a withdrawal effect on a cellular level. This can result in symptoms like depression, anxiety, etc. Taking the drug again alleviates the effects, so the mechanism is different to impulse control.

People also experience this with alcohol. Some people are more disposed to alcoholism and there is evidence to support that it is genetic.
 
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