Question About Administering IV Heroin to an Opiate Naive Friend

[StrawPipes]

And I'm surprised nobody mentioned this at all. Why don't you get a couple bags. Determine the potency by testing them on yourself. Give him a 6th of a bag and see how he feels. If he says it feels the same and he wanted more, then wait a day or 2 and administer a quarter of the bag.. if same thing happens then do a half.. It'll cost you a little more but atleast you'll be able to know what he can handle..

I don't know. This question seemed fairly obvious to me on what to do. I guess that could be cause my opiate naive friend who came back for xmas break and never shot anything in his life asked me to hit him cause he wanted to try shit. I started him off at a 15 mg morph.. Then a D4.. then a 30mg morph and he seemed to be handling them fine and what not so I gave him 30 mg of an oc and he was in heavy..

So all you gotta do is start out small with him and if he doesnt get nauseas or start puking it's likely he can handle more.. I know pills are different than Heroin but the concept is there

 

[SmokeTrails]

... really hard to answer this... i dont know stamps from that area...

i would probably hit him with a half bag honestly... if he doesnt get the "full effect" you can always dose him another time...

... if i underdosed my friend id laugh about it and help him out again.... if i overdosed my friend id have to deal with geting him to breath/wake up/cops/medics...

is there really a choice here...

Edit: i didnt see that you hit him with a 1/6th of the bag... man give him a 4th... see what that does... go slow with this... your walkin a fine line

 

[rollingrainbow]

^ Half a bag of street heroin, which isn't always 100mg, btw, is always varying in potency batch by batch, so neither comparison means anything. Shit, give me 30 minutes and I could go to Detroit, and easily find one bag of dope that doesn't even equal 20mg of Oxycodone and one bag of dope that is stronger than 80mg of Oxycodone. It's not hard to find such vast differences in potency, and any comparison to pharmaceutical, pure drugs is not possible.

In other words, 2 20mg Oxy's does not always equal 40mg heroin which doesn't always equal half a bag anyway, so wtf are you talking about?

If you read the post right I had said that 2, 20mgs which is 40mgs of oxy felt like it was half a bag. . .so the same bag would feel around 80mgs.

And yea I fucking know their are different batches of strength (some have fent and make it crazy strong to some can barely have any h)

ass.

 

[sixpartseven]

I don't believe this is entirley true. I don't have any data to back it up but I know of a victim. Janis Joplin ODed on Heroin, and just minutes before she died she was talking to a hotel clerk for about 15-20. According to the clerk she was in perfect condition, awake, alert, she wasn't nodding or anything. She then walked back to her room and as soon as she got in she collapsed on the floor and died. Now I forgot where I read it but the autopsy or article stated that she did not do more Heroin after she left the hotel desk to go to her room, and it also said she collapsed about 1 to 2 minutes when she entered her room and died seconds to minutes later.

So it does seem quite possible in Janis Joplin case. I wish I had more info to give you, I'll look it up one of these days and send you the article/autopsy/whatever else I read.. Bujt I know for a fact she was alert and fine talking to the clerk, then she fell over dead minutes later. I'm on ambien right now so I'm having trouble remember the dosage she took or when she first took the Heroin, but I'm sure I'll be of much better help tomorrow.

^If there's mixing going on,especially pills (benzo, barbiturates, MAOI's, etc) which take time to dissolve it's a factor. Also, if you puke while passed out, that'll kill you too.
If it's just heroin, especially a single dose, the risk of od is mostly immediate. If they seem like they're nodding afterwards, they might slip off, but if they've made it thru the nod and stay awake, they'll be fine.
Also, learn about the "rescue postion" If they od at their own house and you don't want to wait around for help, do your best to get them breathing on their own, and leave them in this position for the paramedics.
During one OD at my house, she literally fell face first on the floor immediately after her iniital injection. Another time it happened in my house, she took a lot over a 2 hour period, and didn't fall out until about 20 minutes after her last shot. So, staggering large amounts makes the od risk last longer.

Exactly. Janis Joplin was a booze-hound and rabid pill-popper, so your example says nothing about the ability to OD on heroin hours later.

If you read the post right I had said that 2, 20mgs which is 40mgs of oxy felt like it was half a bag. . .so the same bag would feel around 80mgs.

And yea I fucking know their are different batches of strength (some have fent and make it crazy strong to some can barely have any h)

ass.

You're an idiot anyways because he said a 5/10 bag (half of a bag, but admittedly, a stupid way to represent 1/2) does NOT feel like 80mg of OC. Then he says that yeah, 2 20mg OC's are equal to 5/10 bag (half a bag). So 1 bag would be equal to 80mg OC, he never said anything different, so who's the ass now?

 

[lazylazyjoe]

Ok. I think the OP has enough info on this subject now.

Test the bad first.
Star low and slowly increase dose.
supervise

And we can all agree that :
1. bags vary wildly
2. if giving suboxone for an od, care must be given so as not to give too much so narcan can be administered effectively later. (I used 2 mg on my friend)
3. And help must be called in the even of an od.

I want to know what the status is with his friend?

 

[rollingrainbow]

Exactly. Janis Joplin was a booze-hound and rabid pill-popper, so your example says nothing about the ability to OD on heroin hours later.



You're an idiot anyways because he said a 5/10 bag (half of a bag, but admittedly, a stupid way to represent 1/2) does NOT feel like 80mg of OC. Then he says that yeah, 2 20mg OC's are equal to 5/10 bag (half a bag). So 1 bag would be equal to 80mg OC, he never said anything different, so who's the ass now?

you are such an asshole I can believe your a mod.
and what you posted is what I fucking said but differently!
fuck so were just running in circles!

I am a fucking lady and I don't appricate being harrassed by a man especially a mod!
Be a gentleman & respectful.Your first post like came at me :/ and attacked me
do you like hurting a girls feelings?

 

[sixpartseven]

lol yeah, my whole intention was to attack you and hurt your feelings because you're a lady. (The irony of saying "I'm a fucking lady" is hilarious) How do you know I'm not a girl, too? Most people assume I am, for some reason. I didn't actually mean that you are an idiot. Stick around a while and you will see that that is just how I talk with people around here. It's harmless. I don't know you and refuse to base my opinion of who you are off of 2 posts.

Anyway, yeah, I know what I said is exactly what you said, but what you said is exactly what the other guy said, and you were laughing at him, thinking he said something different when really, he said the exact same thing is you. If that's not what happened, please clarify, you've had 2 chances to do that but instead chose to try and insult me (and failed, btw. That's like the billionth time I've been called an asshole, and don't try anything worse because I've heard much much worse and will have to start making your posts disappear for violation of the guidelines/BLUA).

I don't have to explain to you why I'm a mod. I'm obviously qualified 3 years in and never having anyone above me say anything about my methods. This is OD. It gets rough in here. If something someone says on an internet forum hurts your feelings, then you have issues you should be addressing before trying to address the issues of others.

Back on topic, bitches.

 

[SmokeTrails]

OD is a heavy handed war zone

 

[daddysgone]

Thank you to all the shit eating cock-suckers who have replied to my post. Once you sift through the mountain of meaningless drivel, there are actually 2 or 3 posts which come close to passing for a coherent english sentence, and contain suggestions that are at least, not overtly retarded.

Hehehe.....jk

I have no updates since I have not yet administered the stuff to my friend, and am not quite sure what I plan on doing.

Quick legal question though. If you have a friend who wants to try shooting dope, and he asks you to help him administer it, and you do, and he OD's-can you actually be found to be legally responsible for his OD? People seem to have opposing views on this matter, and Id really like to know what the law actually says about this before I even consider going any further. Thanks-DG

 

[sixpartseven]

^ I have a friend who was arrested for manslaughter because his friend died of an OD administered by him. Charges were thrown out when evidence was gathered without a warrant and rights weren't read, but still, it shows that it can happen. Participating in any activity that leads to someones death could possibly lead to legal ramifications, especially if something you did played a direct role in their death (IVing the heroin).

I'm not a lawyer, so don't take this as sound legal advice, but just know that it can and has happened.

 

[Lustmord]

Quick legal question though. If you have a friend who wants to try shooting dope, and he asks you to help him administer it, and you do, and he OD's-can you actually be found to be legally responsible for his OD? People seem to have opposing views on this matter, and Id really like to know what the law actually says about this before I even consider going any further. Thanks-DG

You are worried about getting in trouble if your friend OD's?

And the answer is yes -- you can. That's why you were advised to leave him somewhere where the ambulance can pick him up without you being there.

Lovely.

 

[daddysgone]

You are worried about getting in trouble if your friend OD's?

And the answer is yes -- you can. That's why you were advised to leave him somewhere where the ambulance can pick him up without you being there.

Lovely.

LOL...the irony of your response is killing me.

You seem to be mocking me for being worried about whether I could suffer legal consequences if my friend OD'd......but then advise that if he dose OD, I just dump him somewhere and call an ambulance.

Obviously if my friend OD'd, whether or not I could get in legal trouble would be the LEAST of my concerns. I was merely asking the question since it is one aspect and possible consequence of assisting him with shooting up, completely seperate from the health risks.
If he were to OD god forbid, I would certainly NOT dump him somewhere. I would call an ambulance and stay with him and try do anything and everything I could which could help to improve his chances, regardless of what the legal ramifications for me would be. -DG

 

[Lustmord]

LOL...the irony of your response is killing me.

You seem to be mocking me for being worried about whether I could suffer legal consequences if my friend OD'd......but then advise that if he dose OD, I just dump him somewhere and call an ambulance.

Obviously if my friend OD'd, whether or not I could get in legal trouble would be the LEAST of my concerns. I was merely asking the question since it is one aspect and possible consequence of assisting him with shooting up, completely seperate from the health risks.
If he were to OD god forbid, I would certainly NOT dump him somewhere. I would call an ambulance and stay with him and try do anything and everything I could which could help to improve his chances, regardless of what the legal ramifications for me would be. -DG

I did not tell you to "dump" him somewhere, I said that it was mentioned before in this thread.

What I am going to tell you -- Do not give him heroin again in the first place.

 

[Summer_]

The first time I ever IV'ed heroin as an opiate naive person, a half bag (Philly good quality) knocked me on my ass. I didn't puke or anything, but it did immobilize me for a good while. I wouldn't do the whole bag if he truly doesn't do opiates. If he was moving from pills to H, that's one thing, but someone who doesn't use opiates at all...I would rather be safe than sorry.

I always thought that it was a good idea when first starting to do what someone else suggested, and snort 1/2 and inject half. That is actually what I did until I picked up a habit.

My husband hadn't done dope before we were together. He weighed 230 and I injected a 1/2 bag and waited about 1/2 hr and then injected the other half for hin

 

[HighonLife]

been sentencing dudes to life for just sellin kids cheese heroin around here

and TBH since were in TX they're lucky they didnt get capitol punishment (im not sayin i feel this way. just the way some ppl felt round here)

yea most of the concern is b/c of the age of the people who have died but nonetheless

two different dudes, not too long ago, maybe a 1-2.5 years ago when the 'cheese heroin' scare hit

 

[lazylazyjoe]

^I remember that. Crappy heroin cut w/ dyphenhydramine + APAP. Like 6% pure. Also people were getting sick from the 2 cutting agents I just mentioned. It was big in middle schools. I'm all for people doing what they want, but who'd want to sell heroin to 12 y/o's.
When I copped in SLC they told me I was gonna get some "cheese" and I freaked out cause I wanted tar. Apparantly, they use "cheese" as slang for tar there.
@op
They wouldn't know that you shot him up, or that you procured the heroin. The best thing would be to say you stopped by and found him on the floor not breathing. Then call 911 (don't mention drugs on the phone!) & administer cpr and naloxone (if available).
It shouldn't have to come to that though, if you dose correctly and supervise afterwards.
**As a note. My sister had an minor OD a few weeks ago and 911 was called. She admitted to being shot up and gave a name of who did it, (not very bright) after coming to. Anyway, they never came after or charged the guy who shot her up.

 

[HighonLife]

^^ i dunno how much i buy into the idea that cheese was marketed for kids

yea some kids did it n died

but cheese was pervasive in Dallas for awhile amongst drug users of all ages.

its just that no one cares when a 20-30somethin year old junkie dies.

its a more sensational story when drug dealers are inducing kids into using heroin with this new product

i mean no doubt kids used cheese, and no doubt in some areas a surprising % of kids used cheese but it wasnt just kids.

LAZYJOE: if u dont mind me asking. how do you know about cheese in Dallas? Did the News in NJ cover that shit aswell? wonder if it was a national story?

 

[sixpartseven]

Yeah, the whole "they created this to specifically target kids" claim for any drug is usually media hyped bullshit meant to scare people.

 

[lazylazyjoe]

^It might have been national, but I read it on the internet. I've never run into another person who has heard about it except my friend from Galveston/Houston.
Especially when I copped in SLC and they were trying to sell me "cheese", no one knew what I was talking about.

I guess it's just the sensationalist journalists who made it out to be "for kids". Although I don't know why adults would want it as you can't inject it cause of the APAP, and you probably would want to snort that either.

 

[sixpartseven]

My theory is that "Cheese" comes from people wanting to cut dope with diphenhydramine, but don't have access to it in it's pure form. They could use Benadryl, but it would turn their dope pink (or gel up if gelcaps with gelatin were used) so end up using Tylenol PM since it's the next best option. In other words, it's only made that way because it's cheap and there's a lack of a better solution.