Question about a "ghetto rig" Ayahuasca

[MagicalOrangutan]

This is my very first post on this forum (obviously), and I've never actually taken any psychedelics before. I'm 21 and I know I'm late in the game for this, but I want to use them for a combination of recreational and reflective purposes.

I'm not sure if one would consider it to be under the "no what did I/should I take" category (I hope not), but my question is simply, as divided into four parts:

1/4: if one were to take an appropriate dosage of MAOIs, then mix a sufficient amount of straight Mimosa Hostilis root bark powder, which contains DMT, together in warm water and let them sit for a while (if such is even necessary), would that be able to produce an oral DMT trip? And,

2/4: would crushing up Syrian Rue seeds, and then mixing them in with said bark powder and (perhaps warm?) water, be sufficient as an oral DMT-activating MAOI? And

3/4: what amounts (in dried grams) of powder and what amounts in Syrian Rue seeds (in dry grams) would be sufficient for what strengths of trip? And,

4:4: how would this differ from a smoked DMT trip, miligram per miligram?

Obviously this all depends on how much DMT and MAOI is ingested, thus why I say "for what strengths of trip" and "miligram per miligram".

Thank you very much.

 

[transitioneer]

Don't think you're "late in the game." Taking drugs, especially psychedelics, when you're young and your brain is still developing and attempting to form rational tendencies is not quite the best idea.

Syrian Rue is most definitely a suitable MAOI for any purposes, oral DMT included.
I found crushing the seeds (coffee grinder would work best) and then boiling in water with a bit of lemon juice, then straining to work quite well as an MAO inhibitor for mushrooms. Smoking the seeds also worked but was not nearly as long-lived, so I believe oral consumption would be your best bet when combining with oral DMT.
Five grams of Syrian Rue seeds brewed using this method is more than enough.

I also would not recommend straight up eating MHRB, powdered or not, as you will most likely get nauseous and vomit up everything...

I'm not sure if oral DMT and smoked DMT are comparable, as I haven't done oral DMT... but I've heard that oral DMT is just as 'enveloping' as vaporized DMT, while it lasts much longer than the 15 minutes of vaporized DMT, so I would be a bit wary trying this as your first psychedelic. Since you're able to obtain relevant information I don't think it would be out of the question for you to find a tek to extract the DMT... You should try that and vaporize some of it first just to get a feel for it, before diving in headfirst with "ruehuasca"

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Don't think you're "late in the game." Taking drugs, especially psychedelics, when you're young and your brain is still developing and attempting to form rational tendencies is not quite the best idea.

Syrian Rue is most definitely a suitable MAOI for any purposes, oral DMT included.
I found crushing the seeds (coffee grinder would work best) and then boiling in water with a bit of lemon juice, then straining to work quite well as an MAO inhibitor for mushrooms. Smoking the seeds also worked but was not nearly as long-lived, so I believe oral consumption would be your best bet when combining with oral DMT.
Five grams of Syrian Rue seeds brewed using this method is more than enough.

I also would not recommend straight up eating MHRB, powdered or not, as you will most likely get nauseous and vomit up everything...

I'm not sure if oral DMT and smoked DMT are comparable, as I haven't done oral DMT... but I've heard that oral DMT is just as 'enveloping' as vaporized DMT, while it lasts much longer than the 15 minutes of vaporized DMT, so I would be a bit wary trying this as your first psychedelic. Since you're able to obtain relevant information I don't think it would be out of the question for you to find a tek to extract the DMT... You should try that and vaporize some of it first just to get a feel for it, before diving in headfirst with "ruehuasca"

ah, thanks for the info. I wonder if simply mixing the bark powder (you can buy it in pure powder that doesn't need to be crushed up, from Amazon.com), possibly with some lemon/lime juice (I've heard of the acidity method before for ingested alkaloids) with said strained SR seed contents would work; considering my research, I'd say about 10 g of bark powder would be enough for a minor long lasting trip. Hopefully that amount wouldn't make me sick?

And I know the tek for DMT extraction, but I definitely don't want to smoke it due to the short time period and hell on your lungs that it does

On a side note, what psychedelics have you done sir (or miss) and what have they done for you?

 

[transitioneer]

I can't comment on the bark powder, as I've got no experience with it... but there's obviously plant matter there and other alkaloids. I can't say for sure whether or not you'll be able to keep it down, but you'll definitely be taking in the DMT that's present, so if you can keep it down, it should work... I just don't know how much DMT is in x-amount of bark/powder.

Smoking DMT is not bad at all on the lungs when smoked, although I smoke cannabis everyday so I'm somewhat used to taking in smoke and holding it etc. Unless you were chronically smoking it I couldn't see it ripping up your lungs... and chronically smoking DMT wouldn't really be productive as tolerance DOES build (though that's not to say you can't "break through" twice within 24hours...but I don't know why you would even want to do that)

Also, the short duration is not at all noticed if you get a proper hit
Even if I don't "break through" (and sometimes I don't aim to) I never find myself saying "well fuck...that was kinda disappointing..." it is always an immersive and very thought-provoking experience, something I believe everyone should experience.

As far as psychedelics, I've taken: 2C-I, 2C-E, 2C-D, 2C-B, 2C-T-7, n,n-DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, DiPT, DPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-DMT (synthetic psilocin), psilocybin mushrooms, mescaline (San Pedro cactus cutting) LSD, LSA, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-HO-MET, aMT and cannabis. Also taken MDA, MDMA, bk-MDMA, JWH-018, JWH-073, Dextromethorphan, Salvia, Nitrous Oxide, Ketamine and Methoxetamine but I wouldn't classify them as "psychedelics".... May have missed some but that's all I can think of for now.

They've made me much more thoughtful, and helped a lot with my anxiety and depression. (possible manic-depressive/bipolar? I dunno. It's mostly all gone and I'm fairly positive all the time now) I don't feel like I'm worthless anymore, but instead that I have so much potential... Boosted my creativity... Boosted my interest in philosophy, psychology and neuroscience... Made me appreciate nature and all art a lot more. I've gotten into meditation/yoga...etc... So many other things.
I've only been using psychedelics for 2 years now, and smoking cannabis for 3.5years

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

yeah..one of my main intentions is to experience true ego death, probably a few times at least. The reasons why are complex, but I need to.

I also think everyone should go through psychedelic mind and spiritual exploration at the appropriate age..it should be a cultural thing. Not this absurd police nanny state we exist in. I think my fraternal twin brother would still be alive today if he had gone through psychedelic therapy.

I also am having problems finding a couple of the things I need for the tek without getting noticed, so I'll experiment with this brew idea first.

Also, I've been wondering what real LSD-25 compares to DMT and mescaline and shrooms..I've heard that mescaline is like a combination of LSD and psilocin. Would you say there's any truth to that one?

 

[transitioneer]

I hear what you're saying about the extraction, definitely try what you can but be careful. There's no need to rush into things and risk getting caught by whomever. Psychedelics will always be around. About the ego loss, I also know what you mean there... I was very intrigued by the very notion of it when I started getting into psychedelics and it certainly is everything that it's chalked up to be. Just don't get dead-set on it, and don't build it up to be something that it isn't, as you may miss it when it actually does happen... It's quite subtle and not as blatantly obvious of an event as it's made out to be, and it's certainly not the only thing psychedelics are useful for... but it is quite a humbling and life-changing event and it will certainly raise some religious/philosophical/psychological questions for you (and more than likely answer some as well!)

In my opinion, LSD is the "best" overall psychedelic in terms of recreation/usefulness. It just feels "right" and is almost carefree, but very analytical, with subtle but complex and colorful visuals.

I would say Mescaline feels a bit like LSD in terms of the headspace, but the body-high is more euphoric and speedy for me, comparable to MDA (moreso than MDMA) but I've also only tried it once from those San Pedro cuttings.

 

[TangerinO]

I can't comment on the bark powder, as I've got no experience with it... but there's obviously plant matter there and other alkaloids. I can't say for sure whether or not you'll be able to keep it down, but you'll definitely be taking in the DMT that's present, so if you can keep it down, it should work... I just don't know how much DMT is in x-amount of bark/powder.

Smoking DMT is not bad at all on the lungs when smoked, although I smoke cannabis everyday so I'm somewhat used to taking in smoke and holding it etc. Unless you were chronically smoking it I couldn't see it ripping up your lungs... and chronically smoking DMT wouldn't really be productive as tolerance DOES build (though that's not to say you can't "break through" twice within 24hours...but I don't know why you would even want to do that)

I can assure smoking DMT is very bad for the lungs, but it's not an experience many people would consider doing even semi frequently so overall not really that bad.

OP I think you should consider at least smoking it once before diving in to an oral dose. It's very shocking the first time you do it, you may not want it to last for more than ten minutes.

I think you'd be better off with a small to medium dose of mushrooms or LSD for your first psychedelic experience but that's just me, I tend to walk the path of caution.

As for this raising new questions for you, a good dose of Oral DMT to lose your psychedelic virginity, expect not new questions raised but to return almost as if you had your head swapped with someone else.
Other psychedelics change the way I think, but returning from DMT for me is as if I already knew the answers to whatever questions I went in with.

Good luck.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Interesting. Is there any comparison, in any way, between high quality cannabis (which I am of course a fan of), and true psychedelics such as mescaline, DMT, psilocybin/psilocin etc.?

And mescaline, based on what else I've read and what you just said, seems awesome..I've read that pure synthetic mescaline is the most awesome psychedelic of all time.

Is there any way you could describe to me what a (mild/moderate) DMT experience is "like", body wise, emotionally and also with respect to how it affects you mentally?

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

I can assure smoking DMT is very bad for the lungs, but it's not an experience many people would consider doing even semi frequently. It's a very intense experience, I think you'd be better off with a small dose of mushrooms or LSD for your first psychedelic experience but that's just me, I tend to walk the path of caution.

As for this raising new questions for you, a good dose of Oral DMT to lose your psychedelic virginity, expect not new questions raised but to return almost as if you had your head swapped with someone else.
Other psychedelics change the way I think, returning from DMT for me is as if I already knew the answers to whatever questions I went in with.

Good luck.

hmm..what is an experience of a good dose of oral DMT "like", in your subjective experiences?

 

[TangerinO]

^ Completely different for everyone, but almost certainly extremely intense no matter who you are.

I'm just making the point that you may want to consider not diving head first into Grand Papa Ayahuasca just yet, the world of tryptamines is a very deep rabbit hole.

If you're set on DMT, you've made a good choice it's an indescribably magical chemical, but strap yourself in because this is about as close to the void as it gets.

I would recommend at least smoking it once before taking it orally. You may come to the conclusion that ten minutes duration is enough for now, until you get some more experience with other long lasting tryptamines such as LSD.

Like I said, that's just me I'm just cautionary with tryptamines since I got a fair warning from LSD when I was in my early days.
It's the greatest experience imaginable, until it's not, if you know what I mean.

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

^ Completely different for everyone, but almost certainly extremely intense no matter who you are.

I'm just making the point that you may want to consider not diving head first into Grand Papa Ayahuasca just yet, the world of tryptamines is a very deep rabbit hole.

If you're set on DMT, you've made a good choice it's an indescribably magical chemical, but strap yourself in because this is about as close to the void as it gets.

I would recommend at least smoking it once before taking it orally. You may come to the conclusion that ten minutes duration is enough for now, until you get some more experience with other long lasting tryptamines such as LSD.

Like I said, that's just me I'm just cautionary with tryptamines since I got a fair warning from LSD when I was in my early days.

I mean, honestly, "my friend" is a risk-taker when it comes to drugs, though I'm not necessarily proud of it. "My friend" has tried crack cocaine 5 times..I've heard psychedelics, especially DMT and LSD-25, can be extremely euphoric, but I doubt they match THAT level of euphoria!! (Not that my friend will ever use cocaine or any other strong dopaminergic chemical again). I'm not afraid of tryptamines because at the end of the day, they won't make my heart pop, so they can't be as scary as cocaine..can they? hmm.

And how does syrian rue compare to b caapi for oral DMT?

 

[Ismene]

Oral DMT is simply a very psychedelic hour or two - you'll see jewelled patterns floating in the air, feel the best bodyhigh you've ever experienced (especially if you've never taken any drugs before) but trying to use the seeds.caapi and rootbark powder is guaranteed to make you vomit - that's if you can even manage to drink it. And you never know how potent the seeds are so you don't know if you've got sufficient MAOI to allow the DMT to work. I always take the DMT crystal and a 300mg tablet of moclobemide - then there's no question that you've got sufficient MAOI.

I've always found oral DMT to be the friendliest psychedelic there is, absolutely none of this "terror drug" shit that you hear about - I think that's usually the atitude of people who've never actually taken it.

 

[TangerinO]

^ Really that works Ismene? Cap the crystal and eat it down with moclebemide? How much DMT crystal would one use?

 

[Ismene]

Yeah - take the moclo about 20-40 mins before the DMT to let it start working. I'd got with 150-200mg for a first dose. 5-10 drops of essence of lemon oil helps deactivate the nausea receptors.

 

[blazR]

yeah..one of my main intentions is to experience true ego death, probably a few times at least. The reasons why are complex, but I need to.

Snmoked n,n-DMT.. Have been said, I know..

//blazR

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

Oral DMT is simply a very psychedelic hour or two - you'll see jewelled patterns floating in the air, feel the best bodyhigh you've ever experienced (especially if you've never taken any drugs before)

I've read that's a mild trip, but it'd still be interesting.

but trying to use the seeds.caapi and rootbark powder is guaranteed to make you vomit - that's if you can even manage to drink it.

I actually recently ordered some MHRB powder and syrian rue; I've read if you simply extract the DMT and MAOIs via boiling in acid, it's not nearly as likely to make you nauseous. Is that true?

 

[Ismene]

I actually recently ordered some MHRB powder and syrian rue; I've read if you simply extract the DMT and MAOIs via boiling in acid, it's not nearly as likely to make you nauseous. Is that true?

No, I think boiling them will still make you hurl. Although you're going to hurl anyway even if you did a proper STB extraciton.

 

[TangerinO]

I did Ayahuasca as my second psychedelic after mushrooms exactly at your age. It was a shamanic ritual a friend of me invited me to join, i was curios and when this awful brew got offered i accepted. Of course i vomited and then the drums and chants of the present Peruvian shaman dragged me away. It was magical, tho a little bit overwhelming but still a very profound and beautiful experience. Still, i couldnt connect quite well and from my now perspective it was no "break-through".

A year later i discovered LSD and from that time on my real journey started. It's been 15 years since then and looking back and if i'd have the chance again i'd probably do LSD before.

Also i'm not sure if you wanna smoke DMT as first psychedelic.. its a real faceslap that catches you totally off guard.

take care!

I am surprised OP wants to try DMT first. I too would recommend LSD for a first psych, or at least mushrooms.

I liken DMT to other psychs the same way I would liken going from College basketball to the NBA. Probably not an adequate metaphor but the best I can do right now.

 

[Ismene]

^^
I dunno - LSD lasts about 10 hours. Oral DMT lasts about 2. Lot easier to deal with a 2 hour trip then 10 hours.

I imagine he'd try LSD or mushrooms if he could but he can get oral DMT a lot easier.

 

[stormcharger]

I mean, honestly, "my friend" is a risk-taker when it comes to drugs, though I'm not necessarily proud of it. "My friend" has tried crack cocaine 5 times..I've heard psychedelics, especially DMT and LSD-25, can be extremely euphoric, but I doubt they match THAT level of euphoria!! (Not that my friend will ever use cocaine or any other strong dopaminergic chemical again). I'm not afraid of tryptamines because at the end of the day, they won't make my heart pop, so they can't be as scary as cocaine..can they? hmm.

And how does syrian rue compare to b caapi for oral DMT?

Lol being scared your heart is gonna pop because you are on cocaine is nowhere near as scary as psychadelics can be.