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Q. about ephedra and caffeine..

spiralmind

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ok, i got this bottle of stuff that is supposed to increase metabolism and such (an herbal energy thing..). anyways, each pill contains 20 mg of ephedra alkaloids and 60 mg of caffeine. the bottle can't stress enough on only taking 2 (ie. DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN 2 TABLETS IN A 4 HOUR PERIOD.) it sais that like literally 5 times on the bottle. ive taken 3 before and it was like a mild amphetamine-like high. (ive never done any type of amphetamine, just thinking thats what it might be like [increased heart rate, etc.])
well anyways i wanna take 4 now.. any suggestions?
 
Take 4 & let us know what happens. On second thought take 8...
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You can do just that. The side effects will get more and more annoying but I have easily taken 8 of those pills at once. Of course I may have had a stim tolerance at the time but I seriously doubt you will die.
It will not however really give you anything like a true stim high. Meth is orders of magnitudes better than anything you can get eating ephedrine.
 
I find the effects of a high dose of ephedrine and caffeine has absolutely horrible side effects. It literally makes me sick. I'd much rather do some glass. In fact, since i've done meth, i havent touched a ephedrine caffeine stack.
 
FYI, the caffeine + ephedrine 'buzz' doesn't even begin APPROACH the amphetamine high. They are WORLDS apart...simply put, ephed/caffeine is SHITE...you are just touching the tip of the iceberg.
 
A bodybuilding site that i have seen sells the EPH 1000 which is 1000mg of ephedra standardised to 8%. Supposedly that is a pretty high amount for one cap and its gives a few warnings on the website!
 
Ephedrine is fun, mild effects but I have heard it's got a horrible comedown. But if you have done meth or speed before, you wouldn't enjoy ephedrine much...it's like wake me up when my high is over.
For that reason I never attempted to try it
 
Fairnymph: I think that's probably incorrect. Ephedrine is very similar to a methamphetamine high when taken in sufficient quantities.
Caffeine though, blergh! Its like all the worst things about stimulants with none of the good.
-plaz out-
 
Fairnymph: I think that's probably incorrect. Ephedrine is very similar to a methamphetamine high when taken in sufficient quantities.
I disagree. The difference is much more substantial. In stimulus generalization studies [1] amphetamine has been shown to be as comparable to ephedrine as it is to caffeine -- and I'm sure that you would agree with me that there is GREAT difference between the recreational effects of amphetamine and the caffeine.
If ephedrine is so great, how come there aren't more ephedrine addicts? If 'just taking a high enough dose' of ephedrine were really THAT similar to the amphetamine high, then how come all the tweakers are still scavenging for prescription and illegal amphetamines? Practically speaking, it can be concluded that the enjoyable effects of amphetamine are far superior to the those of ephedrine.
Also, observe the following:
Multiple doses of either ephedrine or amphetamine caused severe hyperthermia (>/= 41.3 degrees C) but striatal tissue levels of dopamine 7 days after dosing were reduced only 25% or less by ephedrine compared to the 75% reductions produced by amphetamine.
...elevation of dopamine levels by d-amphetamine were over 2-fold times the level caused by l-ephedrine.
[2]
From the findings (a) that (-)ephedrine is approximately 10 times less potent than (+)amphetamine in (+)amphetamine-trained rats, whereas it is only half as potent as (+)amphetamine in (-)ephedrine-trained animals; (b) that the (-)ephedrine stimulus failed to generalize to (+)methamphetamine; and (c) that the (-)ephedrine stimulus generalized to (+)ephedrine, it is concluded that the stimulus effects of (+)amphetamine and (-)ephedrine as training drugs, while similar, are not identical. [3]
A random interesting fact:
Males and females differed in their response to ephedrine--males chose ephedrine more frequently than females and showed a more positive mood response to the drug. [4]
[1]Glennon RA, Young R. (+)Amphetamine-stimulus generalization to an herbal ephedrine product. Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2000 Apr;65(4):655-8.
[2]Bowyer JF, Newport GD, Slikker W Jr, Gough B, Ferguson SA, Tor-Agbidye J. An evaluation of l-ephedrine neurotoxicity with respect to hyperthermia and caudate/putamen microdialysate levels of ephedrine, dopamine, serotonin, and glutamate. Toxicol Sci. 2000 May;55(1):133-42.
[3]Young R, Glennon RA. Discriminative stimulus properties of (-)ephedrine. Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1998 Jul;60(3):771-5.
[4] Chait LD. Factors influencing the reinforcing and subjective effects of ephedrine in humans. Psychopharmacology (Berl). 1994 Jan;113(3-4):381-7.
 
Even without fairnymphs facts, there is one simple test to tell which is more enjoyable. Offer to give someone who has used meth and ephedrine one or the other and see what they pick. I guarantee that they will pick meth every time. In my personal opinion, a high dose of ephedrine has so many bad side effects its not even worth taking.
 
Another reason the bottle advises you to not take more than the said amount is because they are supposed to increase metabolism. With frequent use of "stacker 2s", "thermadrine" etc.. metabolism increases but uses the ephedrine and whatever else as a crutch.. once you build the tolerance and/or stop taking them, your metabolism will slow down without it's "crutch."
I don' t know if I'm making much sense, i haven't slept yet ;] hehe.
 
I would say the biggest reason they advise you on the amount to take is so if you are a dumbass and eat 20 of them and die, your family cannot sue them.
 
I urge you to not take 4, I took 4 and I was up literally for 2 days and I felt like shit, like I was dying, seriously don't do it. I felt horrible. If you wanna stay up, you should just snort some glass, you won't at least have any side effects like I had. Don't do it!!! Drugs are bad but not really, Mmmm kay!!
 
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