Purple Drank's Rise and Assumed Fall

I never understood how people used this shit recreationally - the promethazine/codeine ratio means the promethazine would knock you out before the codeine got you high, and iirc. promethazine actually ''inhibits'' the conversion of codeine to morphine.

w/e.
 
Ppl up at the clinic buy and sell phenegren pills left and right. Those and clonidine. Phens and deens is what everyone is all Jones for and of course xanax. But that pjenegren shit really potentiates strong opis. If I take 50mg with my daily 80mg Mmt I nod all day, almost asleep. That shit makes me so groggy don't think its enjouablebat all. My sister always takes it with her Mmt and xanax.
 
'medicine cabinet' said:
Ppl up at the clinic buy and sell phenegren pills left and right. Those and clonidine. Phens and deens is what everyone is all Jones for and of course xanax. But that pjenegren shit really potentiates strong opis. If I take 50mg with my daily 80mg Mmt I nod all day, almost asleep. That shit makes me so groggy don't think its enjouablebat all. My sister always takes it with her Mmt and xanax.
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Many people still seem to believe I'm experiencing a placebo effect, but I've noticed that when combining Methadose (Methadone) with Xanax (Alprazolam), it causes me to nod so hard. The reason why it's worth mentioning at all is because, whenever the Xanax has been substituted with an equivalent dosage of any other benzodiazepine - such as Klonopin (Clonazepam), Valium (Diazepam), Dalmane (Flurazepam), Ativan (Lorazepam), etc. - the nodding goes away, and, I've even felt as if I was in withdrawal, which is why I was switched back to the Xanax.

I am aware that Dalmane (Flurazepam) is apparently a partial GABAA modulator, which explains that drug in particular, but what about the others? I still haven't been able to figure out why this is happening. And none of the doctors are able to explain it either.

Eventually, they stopped bothering with trying to switch me to another benzo and have kept me on Xanax. But I hope I'll be able to get off of it some day.

Although I'm not certain of this, it seems likely that nearly 9 years of being on Xanax has seriously messed up my short term memory, and has also contributed to me having issues with erectile dysfunction :(

P.S. - Another weird thing about my body's response to Xanax is that, even after all this time, it appears that the therapeutic effects have not been lost. In fact, over the past few months, I've noticed that I've been able to regularly skip one of my three daily doses, without any noticeable effects. It's nice because now I have a huge stash of extra Xanax, which is always really good to have around just in case (assuming they don't expire quickly).
 
ro4eva said:
If I could afford it, I'd never touch a clandestinely synthesized opioid. Rather, I'd stick to pharmaceuticals. And it's possible that's what most of the celebrity rappers (who prefer opioids) are doing, minus the IV ROA. Eminem was into hydrocodone, was he not - until it nearly killed him due to mixing with booze?

IV hydromorphone (as well as oxycodone, oxymorphone, and good ol' morphine) = good substitute for smack IME. Unfortunately, it's getting more expensive by the day to acquire such delights.
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Im with Holy Toast on this one. Also in my experience feel that pharma drugs develop into a much deeper and darker addiction than any street drug i have had. I was strung out on norcos a few years ago and it completely change my charaacter and threw my morals out the window. My tolerence got really high really quick and i was taking anywhere from 20 to 35 a day. Long story short is that they became my life and my existence was entirely based on gettting those pills. Did things i never thought i would do in a million years. All this in less than a year.

in contrast, my period with heroin, although glad its over, was not as damaging to my life like the norcos. my tolerence leveled out at one point. I just smoked it. The withdrawls were shitty but nothing like the norcos. I was able to put it down alot easier than the pills too. that was daily for about 2 years too.

although "cleaner" than street drugs and the nice fact you know what your getting everytime, i would never go back to taking pharma drugs. in my opinion, they just rip you up and there is alot more of a helpless, oh fuck feeling when you realize just how strung out you are. That hole you can dig can go so deep without even realizing it. Thats just my opinion though
 
It never ceases to amaze me how little overlap there is between a drug's popularity / reputation / social cache, and how good an activator of neural pleasure circuits it is by itself. I suppose these are hard to separate. After all, the acquisition, ritual preparation, anticipation, ritual consumption, expectation of effects, and memories of good times had with good friends put a lot of the "recreation" in "recreational drug use". "Lean" shares a place in this category in my mind with Coricidin Cough and Cold (Triple Cs, maaaan!) and absinthe. I've tried all of these, and doubt I will ever have the same fun on any of them as someone properly acculturated into a subculture of use at a young enough age. Not that I have any regrets about this.

Codeine doesn't have a whole lot of recreational merit even on its own. I get why pairing it with a drug with anti-emetic, anti-pruritic, and sedating effects makes sense. But promethazine is also a fairly strong dopamine antagonist; I believe it was first developed as an antipsychotic, and may still be used as a middling one in a pinch. I just can't see how central dopamine blockade has any role in recreational pharmacology.
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
"Lean" shares a place in this category in my mind with Coricidin Cough and Cold (Triple Cs, maaaan!) and absinthe.
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lean to me is different than these IMO in that it's so much money for the (limited) high i think there's an element of "i got so much cash i can piss it away on this bullshit" element.

coricidin is not a "status" drug at all, and absinthe most people haven't tried so it's just a bullshit stoner myth basically.
 
Bullshit stoner myth?
Tell that to Van Gogh or Rimbaud!
(Of course you can't; they're dead - but just because a culture isn't in the forefront if your consciousness doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or hasn't previously).

IMO it's part of hip-hop's bullshit "rags to riches" myth. Gettin' messed up on cough syrup.
 
i'm looking at absinthe and it's basically alchohol with a gaba antagonist. i don't see any reason it would be a good experience as opposed to just downing a couple 40s.
 
I never understood the rapper/thug/celebrity fascination with "lean." It's a pretty weak drug. First time I ever mixed it up I drank my whole 4oz bottle in one night along with like 5 or 6 xanax bars and was just pissed I wasn't more fucked up.

The best understanding I've been able to come to is that it was so desired because it's kind of the exemption to the rule of "don't get high on your own supply" (or use junkie-type drugs--this would apply to rappers and the southern set), and the stigma against opiates as recreational drugs for many populations (i.e. Bieber). It's the only reason I can imagine people would pay as much for 16oz of codeine cough syrup as dozens of bags of dope.

treezy z said:
lean to me is different than these IMO in that it's so much money for the (limited) high i think there's an element of "i got so much cash i can piss it away on this bullshit" element.
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I'm with you on that, I think that's kind of the other side of that junkie exemption.
 
treezy z said:
i'm looking at absinthe and it's basically alchohol with a gaba antagonist. i don't see any reason it would be a good experience as opposed to just downing a couple 40s.
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I didnt say it was any good!
Shit, I hate the stuff. But some pretty fucking amazing artists, writers etc are associated with its use - many of whom were apparently destroyed by it.
No "stoner myth" there; maybe a bit of romanticised self destruction.
But absinthe was (and arguably still is) part of a social culture - as opposed to being a diverted prescription cough medicine.
 
ro4eva said:
Many people still seem to believe I'm experiencing a effect, but I've noticed that when combining Methadose (Methadone) with Xanax (Alprazolam), it causes me to nod so hard. The reason why it's worth mentioning at all is because, whenever the Xanax has been substituted with an equivalent dosage of any other benzodiazepine - such as Klonopin (Clonazepam), Valium (Diazepam), Dalmane (Flurazepam), Ativan (Lorazepam), etc. - the nodding goes away, and, I've even felt as if I was in withdrawal, which is why I was switched back to the Xanax.

I am aware that Dalmane (Flurazepam) is apparently a partial GABAA modulator, which explains that drug in particular, but what about the others? I still haven't been able to figure out why this is happening. And none of the doctors are able to explain it either.

Eventually, they stopped bothering with trying to switch me to another benzo and have kept me on Xanax. But I hope I'll be able to get off of it some day.

Although I'm not certain of this, it seems likely that nearly 9 years of being on Xanax has seriously messed up my short term memory, and has also contributed to me having issues with erectile dysfunction :(

P.S. - Another weird thing about my body's response to Xanax is that, even after all this time, it appears that the therapeutic effects have not been lost. In fact, over the past few months, I've noticed that I've been able to regularly skip one of my three daily doses, without any noticeable effects. It's nice because now I have a huge stash of extra Xanax, which is always really good to have around just in case (assuming they don't expire quickly).
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Interesting u said that about the Mmt and xa. Combo. I was reading the insert from my latest xanax Rx and among the list of drugs like ketaconozole and other stuff I'm not real familiar with, methadone and propoxyphene were listed separate from the other section about avoiding other depressants. Didn't go into names, but meth and propyphene which they don't even give anymore were listed. There must be some kind of secondary interaction. Add 25mg of phenegren and .1mg clonidine and you'll be doing the bmore lean in no time.
 
legalizeall said:
Im with Holy Toast on this one. Also in my experience feel that pharma drugs develop into a much deeper and darker addiction than any street drug i have had. I was strung out on norcos a few years ago and it completely change my charaacter and threw my morals out the window. My tolerence got really high really quick and i was taking anywhere from 20 to 35 a day. Long story short is that they became my life and my existence was entirely based on gettting those pills. Did things i never thought i would do in a million years. All this in less than a year.

in contrast, my period with heroin, although glad its over, was not as damaging to my life like the norcos. my tolerence leveled out at one point. I just smoked it. The withdrawls were shitty but nothing like the norcos. I was able to put it down alot easier than the pills too. that was daily for about 2 years too.

although "cleaner" than street drugs and the nice fact you know what your getting everytime, i would never go back to taking pharma drugs. in my opinion, they just rip you up and there is alot more of a helpless, oh fuck feeling when you realize just how strung out you are. That hole you can dig can go so deep without even realizing it. Thats just my opinion though
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Plus IMO since dope is always of different purity you stay at a reasonable level. Straight dealers are going to keep a fairly consistent product to keep ppl, may be a little hotter, may be a little weaker, but it still does the job. With pharma you know exactly how Mich you need and your tolerance keeps going up BC the quality never differentiates even a little. I'd take kicking iv dope over oxy again any day. Oxy WD is rough...tho I javnt been thru full methadone WD so I still have that to look forward to lol.
 
If I knew that my smack dealer's product is always the same level of purity, always from the same source, I'd feel a lot safer about buying some. Unfortunately, I've had some ups and downs with this, and it nearly killed me twice, which is why I'm more picky now.

LOL @ "The Baltimore Lean" btw. Man that made me crack up.
 
I never got what the big deal was about lean. I've never had the codeine-promethazine syrup but you can buy both codeine and promethazine OTC here in Canada so when i run out of my regular opiates i often resort to doing a CWE and a nice anti-histamine like promethazine or doxylamine boosts the sedation a good bit. I still don't get why rappers with all that money bother with fucking codeine ffs. Not to mention taking too much promethazine is really bad for you as that cunt little wayne has demonstrated. If i had that kinda cash id be banging dilly all day and eating temazepam like it was candy. Promethazine is a good opiate potentiator but anything above 50mg's is kinda too sedating.
 
Maybe this is because Ive always had a low/no opiate tolerance, but I was offered a large cup of 'lean' (stupid name I know) by a dealer I knew going way back, who sold me weed. I have to say it was pretty enjoyable, smoked a blunt with it and pretty much just melted into the couch for a couple of hours not giving any fucks. Way overpriced of course, and I would never pay for it myself, but for a free experience it was not bad at all.
 
As far as I am concerned it has been over for a long time now.
The whole Houston/dj screw scene made it famous and it went downhill from there.
I won't mention prices but they have been insane for about 10 years now .
I used to be prescribed 240ml a month and it was enjoyable to pour up and listen to good music
But never did I see it as an economical way to get my swerve on.

So people are getting high on it.
Let's take it off the market?

Oh well in that case why not ban the whole opioid line of pharms and point us in the direction of the heroin spot.
 
.:Holy::Toast:. said:
I don't get why these rich rappers don't just do fucking heroin, seriously if you're going to do opiates at least do one that is worth your money
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Why? What would be the point of getting rich and then becoming a heroin addict and completely ruining your career. At least with cough syrups, they would know what their getting and how much and wouldn't have to worry about impurities. Also, maybe they don't want to become hard core addicts and are using the cough medicines recreationally as opposed to habitually. With heroin, anyone who does it will become addicted at some point. It's hit or miss with codeine and other weaker opiates. If you have an addictive personality or happen to be easily addicted to opiates in particular they yeah you could get addicted, but it's far from a guarantee.
 
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