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bananadesu

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okay so last weekend me and my friend got some supposedly "non adulterated, no filler MDMA capsules".
anyways I took 2 100mg capsules,

Setting was in my room with this girl I've been seeing, just playing video games listening to music etc.

I started feeling something within 30-20min. palms getting cold and sweaty, I felt very relaxed, but not the really light feather body feeling that I've gotten from ecstasy before.
Check eyeballs in a good source of light, still SMALL.

My mind feels a little altered and I feel somewhat euphoric, music sounds good but not GREAT. I'm just feeling relaxed and I feel like just laying down. My body high isn't that great to where I want to touch everything like in past rolls.
I felt some anxiety at certain points, which I believe should NOT happen with MDMA..

check eyes again at 1 hour 45minute mark, pupils STILL SMALL.
don't feel like talking too much and we are just sitting there, she experiencing the same as me.
not sure what this stuff was but it was enjoyable, but not as mindblowing as trips I've had with MDMA before where I just want to talk non stop, feeling SUPER LIGHT and wanting to dance my ass off.
It lasted a good 4 hours or so and then some residual effect the rest of the night.

Felt like a really light roll without the energy or body high I've gotten before. AND NO PUPIL DILATION the whole night which was sketch.
empathy levels barely rose, i couldn't tell if i was just trying to be nice or the pill had effected me or not. my friend just got very horny which was kind of unusual for her.
disappointing roll, as i really enjoy the light feeling i get.

any thoughts on what I could have possibly taken?



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okay i need to edit this with some details i forgot to mention.

-i had taken the same product the weekend before at some desert party, along with alcohol and i thought i rolled but memory is fuzzy.
- i drank alcohol 3 or 4 nights in a row before the day i consumed the product in which i wrote about in the thread. note i did not drink the day i consumed the mdma
-also i took a 500%vitamin C supplement maybe like 5 to 6 hours before i took the mdma capsule. along with vitamins B, maybe the vitamin c neutralized the mdma?
-i had been taking vitamin C supplement almost everyday for the past couple of weeks ( i just believe in the power of vitamin C okay lol )
-my friends who also sampled the same product told me that their eyes did get huge and that they could not stop talking while on it. so that confused me as to why i did not receive dilated pupils and become social.
 
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I agree stupid to not test it. I notice my pupils start to dilate before I feel any effects at all. Could possibly be a piperazine, not sure which one though - some people do respond with little positive effect in the way you did without any sides.
 
Like others have stated - test it. It probably wasn't MDMA.

Are you on any anti-depressants like SSRI's?
 
I'm gonna speculate it was something alone the lines of Mephedrone, Methylone, Butylone and the close RC cousins.

It could've easily been anything, a cocktail of pipes who knows, always test your stuff first to be in the clear. No empathy is definitely not usual.
 
To identify this compound you have 4 viable options in order of priority:

(1) Guess

(2) Personal test kit

(3) GC/MS (post sample to ecstasydata)

(4) Invest in a melting point setup. Good for single substance. Gets a bit more tricky with several substances.

You need a melting point machine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mel-Temp-20...014?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53ee9e4f7e

You need a melting point capiliary

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-Melti...080?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56486405c0

You need to watch this crazy ladies tutorial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-GGiTxjYo8
 
futura2012 said:
To identify this compound you have 4 viable options in order of priority:

(1) Guess

(2) Personal test kit

(3) GC/MS (post sample to ecstasydata)

(4) Invest in a melting point setup. Good for single substance. Gets a bit more tricky with several substances.

You need a melting point machine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mel-Temp-20...014?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53ee9e4f7e

You need a melting point capiliary

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-Melti...080?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56486405c0

You need to watch this crazy ladies tutorial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-GGiTxjYo8
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what! this is sick haha and very educating. So if I know the melting point of mdma I should be able to tell if the substance is or is not mdma by using this melting point machine?

from what i read,

147-148° C (Hydrochloride crystals from isopropanol/n-hexane)
152-153° C (Hydrochloride crystals from isopropanol/ether)

although I have no idea what the difference is from n-hexane and from ether
 
If your pupils were small then you didn't get mdma. I've never seen people with small pupils on m, mine usually stay big till the next morning too.
 
what! this is sick haha and very educating. So if I know the melting point of mdma I should be able to tell if the substance is or is not mdma by using this melting point machine?

from what i read,

147-148° C (Hydrochloride crystals from isopropanol/n-hexane)
152-153° C (Hydrochloride crystals from isopropanol/ether)

although I have no idea what the difference is from n-hexane and from ether.
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When you crystalize MDMA this can be done with different solvents such as IPA, acetone, hexane, xylene, toluene etc. What solvents you choose and how you do it will effect the crystal formations in some way.

A Hydrochloride Crystal (salt) is formed when you convert MDMA Freebase (liquid) to MDMA Hydrochloride HCL. This is done usually with hydrochloric acid. There are other salt forms such as acetates, sulfates, citrates etc which you get from using different acids in this conversion process.

Looking at the statement above it would seem the non polar solvent such as hexane or ether makes a slight difference to the melting point.

Why this is I dont know. Its likely to do with how the crystal forms and as a result effects the melting point.

The best and VERY knowledgable member to contact about Chemistry Questions who lurks on ED is Vader. I am sure he will know the answer to this question.

If you fancie a read about chemistry here is my research folder. I recomend the chapter bond line diagrams read this then you will understand what all the hexagon squiggles mean when you look at the chemical structures of drugs. Its not too difficult to grasp.

http://www.4shared.com/folder/3FnGm_lT/Chemistry.html

On a final note if the boiling point over both non polar solvents is 147 degress to 153 degrees then if it melts in this range you have MDMA.


Test kits are much simpler! but if you fancie the experiment MP test might be fun :D
 
okay i need to edit this with some details i forgot to mention.

-i had taken the same product the weekend before at some desert party, along with alcohol and i thought i rolled but memory is fuzzy.
- i drank alcohol 3 or 4 nights in a row before the day i consumed the product in which i wrote about in the thread. note i did not drink the day i consumed the mdma
-also i took a 500%vitamin C supplement maybe like 5 to 6 hours before i took the mdma capsule. along with vitamins B, maybe the vitamin c neutralized the mdma?
-my friends who also sampled the same product told me that their eyes did get huge and that they could not stop talking while on it. so that confused me as to why i did not receive dilated pupils and become social.
 
Now we have extracted more from you banana the issue over a pill that tests for MDMA and is infact making your eyes small (as a result appears to be heavily adulterated with maybe piperazine or equiv)

It highlights the issue of a new breed of bunk pill being manufactured with trace MDMA in it to trick the Marquis reagent test.

On this basis tackling this problem with one of these kits wont do shit.

Currently I dont know what to advise how to prevent this from happening for your future attempts at rolling.

Sorry I cant help at this time. :(
 
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How much have you rolled in the past few months?

Is it possible that you are just playin' way too hard and molly is losing her magic?
 
just gonna throw my .2 in here. If i take methylone my eyes get way bigger than clean mdma.
 
tzeentch said:
How much have you rolled in the past few months?

Is it possible that you are just playin' way too hard and molly is losing her magic?
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well before that last week i hadn't rolled in a few months, except on 2 occasions i had taken some bkmdma
 
When I roll I only notice a slight difference in size. Mine are super tiny to begin with and they are like that pretty much all the time. They go from super tiny to normal when I roll. ha. Maybe it depends person to person? Even though they don't dilate fully, I definitely get some crazy eyes.
 
My pupils used to not dialate much or at all when I was addicted to opiates.
Now that I have been off hydros for a couple years, my pupils get black
 
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