Punk

this is the band schlong covering fleetwood mac for like twelve minutes like cool punk and also muppets. the drummer was in the band operation ivy. they used to sell operation ivy shirts at the store hot topic back in the day when they had all those cool 4$ cds.

operation ivy was probably the coolest shirt at hot topic, and i listened to a ton of them in seventh grade. got into emo in 8th grade and lost my punk edge... as a stoner and psychedelic user, i find operation ivy's full album's pretty hard to listen to, but they have some tolerable stuff and their music is mostly super cool and interesting despite it can be annoying to me. the schlong album is bizarre and i could see how it would be annoying to some people. i can listen to it with out being too bothered.

here's the OP ivy shirt that was at HOT TOPIC:


this is one of my favorite OP ivy songs as an adult. wasn't my favorite as a kid although i listened to that whole cassette on repeat for months, even going back and forth to school. i think i just really grew to like the lyrics of this song, and i like when they go "insaaaaane":



"The crowd" drove me insane in a good way as a teen, but after tripping out, i find it kind of wonky or it lags or something. the singers vocals are sick when he does the shit that reminds me of morrissey, but i don't know about "the crowd". i still really like the song "bad town" as well, and a few other tracks by OP ivy. i like some of the songs on seedy. idk. operation ivy is a great band, but some of their songs kind of annoy me as an adult. i probably shouldn't even mention it, but i use my blue light account to write to the CIA and gang stalkers. i want them to understand my mind, and i wouldn't even mind if some BL users didn't hate my post... anyways, this is my ODE TO OP IVY!!! THANKS FOR READING IF YOU DID... CHECK OUT THE FLEETWOOD MAC. some of that drumming is insane, the drummer's choice of drums i'm pretty sure he's hitting the heads really hard with some of the drum fills. kind of interesting his athleticism. OP IVY SHIRTS HOT TOPIC DAWG!!! HISTORICAL!!!

EDIT: someone posted scholong on reddit hardcore a few months back... scholong only really has a few hardcore parts.
 
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foodcrisis said:
this is the band schlong covering fleetwood mac for like twelve minutes like cool punk and also muppets. the drummer was in the band operation ivy. they used to sell operation ivy shirts at the store hot topic back in the day when they had all those cool 4$ cds.

operation ivy was probably the coolest shirt at hot topic, and i listened to a ton of them in seventh grade. got into emo in 8th grade and lost my punk edge... as a stoner and psychedelic user, i find operation ivy's full album's pretty hard to listen to, but they have some tolerable stuff and their music is mostly super cool and interesting despite it can be annoying to me. the schlong album is bizarre and i could see how it would be annoying to some people. i can listen to it with out being too bothered.

here's the OP ivy shirt that was at HOT TOPIC:


this is one of my favorite OP ivy songs as an adult. wasn't my favorite as a kid although i listened to that whole cassette on repeat for months, even going back and forth to school. i think i just really grew to like the lyrics of this song, and i like when they go "insaaaaane":



"The crowd" drove me insane in a good way as a teen, but after tripping out, i find it kind of wonky or it lags or something. the singers vocals are sick when he does the shit that reminds me of morrissey, but i don't know about "the crowd". i still really like the song "bad town" as well, and a few other tracks by OP ivy. i like some of the songs on seedy. idk. operation ivy is a great band, but some of their songs kind of annoy me as an adult. i probably shouldn't even mention it, but i use my blue light account to write to the CIA and gang stalkers. i want them to understand my mind, and i wouldn't even mind if some BL users didn't hate my post... anyways, this is my ODE TO OP IVY!!! THANKS FOR READING IF YOU DID... CHECK OUT THE FLEETWOOD MAC. some of that drumming is insane, the drummer's choice of drums i'm pretty sure he's hitting the heads really hard with some of the drum fills. kind of interesting his athleticism. OP IVY SHIRTS HOT TOPIC DAWG!!! HISTORICAL!!!

EDIT: someone posted scholong on reddit hardcore a few months back... scholong only really has a few hardcore parts.
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I used to LOVE Op Ivy back in the day!! I got my t shirts from hot topic tbh lol. I’m gonna check the Fleetwood Mac video now
 
I've been into underground music for 30 years, but I'm curious about something...

Would the word "punk" include all the "rebellious" genres that were birthed from it? Including everything from Glam Rock to Goth Rock to Goregrind & Hardcore Punk? Even industrial & noise artists have "punk" influence.

So when does a band/artist STOP being "punk"? Is it an attitude or is it a sound? Like I can identify Crust Punk & Grindcore by ear & know that those are "punk-adjacent" genres... But some of the "punk" music from the late 60's and 70's can sound almost like just basic, generic "rock". When I hear industrial & noise bands, I don't automatically think "punk", even though there's no rules saying punk CAN'T be electronic as well (Look at Alan Vega & Suicide).

It's strange to me that something like..Iggy Pop or David Bowie is "punk", just as much as some real anarchist crust-punk bands out there or some incredibly extreme fast, angry music.

I grew up listening to "Punk" as a kid (aka Crust punk, Grindcore, Hardcore Punk, Noisecore). I always assumed "Punk" was music with simplistic chords/riffs, D-beats, blast beats, shorts songs & political lyrics. But that's not always the case! As electronic acts (Suicide) and slow brooding 'metal-like' bands (Amebix) are both "punk"?

So if it's the attitude, then that means goth rock, avant garde, goregrind, grindcore, dark electronic & industrial, even some black metal counts as "punk".

But if it's the "sound", then what "sound" is it? Because as I've explained, "punk" bands can sound wildly different from each other.

Another example, the band Impetigo's first demo. Entirely "punk" music, from the simple riffs & chords to the blast beats, short songs, etc.. Pretty much hardcore punk mixed with grindcore. Only thing different is instead of "political themes", they're switched out for horror & gore themes. So obviously this would make them "goregrind", but is that not still a type of "punk" music? Which just brings me right back to my original question, is it the "sound" or the "attitude" or "something else" that makes something punk? Or is punk just a watered down term now for all alternative/rebellious/angsty/avant garde music?
 
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Punk, imho, is less theorising, more punk (is a feeling) (if it's "watered down" - it's false)...🐥👍

 
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Asclepius said:
Punk, imho, is less theorising, more punk (is a feeling)
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Can you describe that feeling?

I guess I'm asking for semantics here. Like, would goregrind count as "punk" on this thread? It stems from punk. Uses simple chords & riffs, has d-beats, blast beats, grooves, etc.. Has a DIY attitude & aesthetic, but nobody really thinks of "goregrind" when they hear the word "punk". Goregrind also has metal roots too. Would something like Throbbing Gristle count as "punk"?

Is a noise/performance-art project, "punk"? I would say it is. IMO, punk would include everything from Oi!, Pop Punk, Crust Punk, D-Beat, Hardcore, Goregrind, Grindcore, Noisecore, Experimental Music, Goth, Industrial, some Black Metal, etc..

Or is this thread strictly for music with the "punk" sound (i.e. - simple chords, d-beats, yelled/shouting vox, the usual 'punk' sound) like hardcore punk, crust punk, pop punk, etc...?

I would say Bathory's self-titled album is "punk", since it clearly uses D-beats & was inspired by the hardcore punk sound. Even though it's also technically "black metal".
 
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It's not semantics - that's lyrics & symbols. Are you a musician?
How would you define it?
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I am. I dunno if I'd say I'm a "musician", cause it's not like I'm super great at it. But I've been making music for 25+ years, various genres. A lot of it is experimental & lands more in the category of "sound sculpting", creating machines that make sounds and areas of musique concrete. But I've made some grindcore & some dark wave & electro/synth music too.

I'm not sure how I'd define it honestly, which is why I was curious. I'd say anyone who has the DIY, "I don't give a fuck" attitude can be "punk".
But in terms of genres, I think many generes fall into the "punk" category, even if people don't generally associate that music with "punk".

Generally when I think of "punk", stuff like Crust Punk, Hardcore Punk, Powerviolence & Grindcore come to mind, though I'm aware that you don't have to sound like those genres to be labeled "punk" either.

So technically, I could post some kind of industrial or noise here & it still counts as "punk".
 
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