thizzlam said:
I stopped smoking pot today, and im actaully strarting to feel better
I notcited it affecting my recvoevery as well.
Now its off to the gym and farmers market! Oh one more thing, i dont really want to roll again, as ive had enough experences.
I was wondering if maybe in a couple years try lsd again, or would that mess up the SERT all over agan ?
I would stay clean for awhile, maybe if you have insurance go get checked out by a doctor. Typically you should tell them about everything but I honestly doubt anything good could come from it. Doctors are uneducated on illegal drug use, and it's highly unlikely they will have a clue what MDMA is let alone any side effects. They might take an MRI or CT scan just to make sure there's no pathogen or something.
You really have no idea what impurities are left over in the synth process. That's why street drugs are so dangerous. *sighs for a day MDMA is available in the pharmacy*
Severely -
I have made some more space in my inbox.
I suppose you are trying to prevent an extended argument in ED forum?
Yes because it's completely off-topic.
The truth is, I really don't have any issues with you. Nor do I disagree with all that you say.
But I DO have a big problem with people posting in threads started by victims of MDMA in an attempt to minimize the consequences or confuse the direction of blame.
This guy didn't ask for any scientific explanation, and btw I told this guy to lay off the drugs, IDK wtf your problem is needlessly disagreeing and accusing me of advocating MDMA abuse.
This is a sign of addiction - defending a drug that is known to be toxic to perpetuate your own use/abuse.
Yes that is a true statement. But it's completely irrelevent. I am not defending anything. Yes I am addicted to cannabis, so what? Lots of people are...
MDMA has enough defenders. Why do they even need to join threads like this?
I have a bigger issue when it is a 'moderator' participating in this immature behavior, regardless of where they moderate.
How often do you roll, Mr. Etarded?
You think I'm defending MDMA? I just said cannabis doesn't lower sertonin. There is simply no pharmacological reasoning, Mr. Comedown. A study with no controls where the 'scientists' have already predetermined their conclusions designing the study jump to the most negative conclusions, since there is so much anti-pot money being funded to these 'studies'.
How often I roll is none of your business, personally. I don't like your condescending attitude. I recommend a minimum 3 month break though between rolls. And I haven't rolled in quite a bit longer incase you're wondering.
I've taken classes in pharmacology and there is simply no advanced reasoning for that statement. I clearly pointed out the flaw, and you continue to argue!
If you think you have actually succeeded in 'debunking' the studies I referred to in the other thread, you have deluded yourself.
Simply posting an argument is all you have done.
And your argument is fairly weak, when compared to the thoughtful and detailed opinions I presented.
Pointing out flaws = debunking. I've taken advanced courses chemistry and pharmacology, pharmocokinetics, and pharmacodynamics. I am sorry you don't understand what I am saying. I am honestly trying to show you. My arguement is solid to any lab technician / chemist / pharmacist. That little 'study' on teens serotonin isn't evidence.
Your opinion? A bunch of dot connecting? Dude I can connect dots all day, doesn't mean there's a link.
The few references I threw onto that page are a VERY small sample of what is available.
The opinions I present so strongly are based upon reading hundreds of studies and trying to look at the bigger picture.
How about you?
Hundreds of studies? Bro they were all crap. I went through everything, one of them you claimed marijuana in low doses lowering pain, and in higher doses raising pain in pain patients, = something to do with serotonin?
Questions about the purity of MDMA used by humans is a valid concern, but using this defense is NOT adequate to dismiss the findings of THOUSANDS of studies.
There's tons and tons of controls, and the resources simply aren't available to do any proper studies at the moment due to the war on drugs.
I remember reading a book last year that reviewed several long-term studies on human cannabis use.
While the levels of serotonin were not at issue, cognitive abilities were.
One of the findings was that quitting would allow recovery of short-term memory depending on the length of use.
For those that were new to marijuana, cognitive abilities returned quickly.
Smokers that had ten years of use often took up to a year to return to control levels.
The oldest group, with 30 years of use, failed to show full recovery even after many years of abstinence.
Now, it would be easy to label this 'anti-marijuana propaganda' and hit post.
You might even claim to have won the argument.
You could say that people who have smoked for 30 years are likely in their 50s and are subject to cognitive decline already.
This must not be a 'peer-reviewed' study! It doesn't live up to my stringent requirements!
All findings are dismissed...
Wait a minute - regardless of the study, whether on marijuana's or MDMA's long-term effects, we have to ask ourselves what relevance does this yield?
We cannot insist on perfect measures and absolute findings - this is an IDEAL that science seeks, but rarely attains.
The wiser choice - the more mature choice, is to extract something from the findings and consider what role it plays in the bigger picture.
Does this study mean that marijuana is 'evil' and extremely harmful?
Of course not - that would be propaganda.
It DOES mean that marijuana damages/changes pathways in our brains, and this effect (just as with ALL drugs) is dose and time-dependent.
The longer you use it, the greater the aggregate effect on your mind.
lol yes. weed makes you stupid dont smoke it it kills brain cells and makes you go crazy 8)
Labeling it an 'anti-depressant' is inappropriate in the first place - how often do you use your anti-depressant?
Whenever I have enough free time to break up some herb and throw it in a bong. I stay pretty busy usually. Like I have been holding a bong the whole time I have been writing this
What anti-depressant exists that should be used DAILY?
Hmm...
Every single anti-depressant known to Western Pharmacopeia
Have some more 'propaganda' - did you know that cannabis interferes with REM sleep?
The brain normally enters a period of alpha brain waves during our deepest sleep.
When awake, this pattern often involves our very survival.
It looks like our brains are practicing scenarios during our dreams...trying to process information or prepare for future events.
Dreams can be very intense - and they are described as MORE intense for recent marijuana users.
Many people who quit smoking say that their dreams become more vivid and more frequent after stopping.
I know this was the case for me MANY times over the years.
I believe this, but I don't think it makes weed bad or anything.
There is even a condition labeled 'cannabis withdrawal'.
Amusing...I know.
Compared to other types of withdrawal, it seems irrelevant.
But some doctors have illustrated severe emotional responses in recent users, often rivaling cigarette withdrawal.
Along with their changes in behavior, they have seen high levels of glutamate in their brains.
No I agree. Symptoms are irritability and appetite suppression. You better believe I get them when I don't have my weed. But people on SSRI's get suicidal when they don't take their meds, so for treating my own depression I prefer weed.
THC increases GABA in your brain, which has an inhibitory effect upon neurons...hence the sedating effects of benzos and alchohol.
When the THC is withdrawn, the number of GABA receptors is too great for the available supply, and this inhibition is reversed.
A strong surge of glutamate, an excitatory neurotransmitter, is released.
I cannot find anything credible that states THC increases GABA.
Have you ever felt the effects of post-THC rage?
I have, and I have seen others go through it as well - but only long-term smokers.
It normally takes SO long to kick in, that many people simply don't 'connect the dots'.
When I stopped smoking withdrawls lasted about a week.Somewhere around one week, maybe longer, it begins.
It can last through the second week, but i takes up to a month for THC levels to fall below detection.
What is causing this glutamate surge and increased dream activity?
THC
metabolite levels -
up to 30 days, yes.
Canabidiol, a constituent of cannabis, has weak affinity for serotonin receptors.
Again, all foods containing L-tryptorphan (like bananas) have weak affinity for the SERT
Even on its own, cannabis greatly increases the risk of schizophrenia (a severe dopamine imbalance) among certain users.
You really think schizophrenia is just a 'simple dopamine imbalance'? It's a mental disorder that causes extreme paranoia, delusions, auditory hallucinations, and is much more complex than a 'dopamine imbalance'.
Am I still 'connecting the dots'?
Yes
Connecting the dots, young man, is EXACTLY what science is all about.
It's also about finding direct correlations between the dots. otherwise they are just random useless connections...
The truth, as it appears, is that marijuana is capable of much more than you chose to believe.
No, we do not have perfect studies with absolute findings. Not with cannabis, and not with MDMA.
We have a 'collection of data'.
Dots that need connecting.
Data means nothing without direct correlations and finding causual relationships.
Ever think they go together so well because cannabis increases GABA and serotonin while rolling?
Ever think of something that's not easier/more fun when high?
You have been a smoker since age 12?
Damn. I didn't even START until 20.
Now you are 21 and you think you haven't damaged yourself yet...
Keep smoking daily until you are in you are my age (29).
Keep rolling, too.
Actually I know people who kept doing both of these into their 40's...
Then come back and tell the next generation of teenagers and young-adult drug users on BL how well that worked out for you.
There are BL'ers older than you too, bro.
I know a man who is a successful RN, making over 100k per year.
He is 50 years old - and he still struggles to read text on a computer screen due to his use of LSD in the 70s.
And he would simply say that the consequences are a 'part of life'.
He might even agree that 'its in your head'...
My parents never used drugs, they are in their 50's, and also can't read text on a computer screen. Age fucks with your eyes.
I know another who isn't so successful - a friend's mom who is the same age and makes very little.
She also did LSD many times when she was younger, and now she is an alcoholic.
I do not KNOW another human being as absent-minded as she is.
Typically alcoholics are absent-minded. I mean thats what being wasted 24/7 does to you...
The point is - we ALL age.
And we only have ONE brain.
While it is resilient it is NOT impervious.
Your brain is capable of re-wiring itself, but not without sacrifice.
And this sacrifice is NOT always evident at the age of 21.
Even the older members of BL that would argue my strong posts, would have to agree that the effects of MDMA - however tolerable - are accruing with age.
I am adding a strong argument that regular smoking of weed INCREASES the changes that are accruing with age in MDMA users.
You simply cannot know, yet, what you are doing to your mind.
My loudest advice, if you look through most of my posts, is to CONTROL DOSAGE.
This ONE factor has more influence upon toxicity than ANY other.
Repeated doses of MDMA causes greater and greater 'alterations' to the serotonin system.
Agreed
Now I am adding another loud opinion - DON'T BE A POTHEAD.
And I had to argue with you to get it out there.
So if a doctor thinks we should medicinally use marijuana to treat our depression, we shouldn't, because Mr. Bad Comedown said so?
