So lately i have a had a strange pushing sensation on my for head. I can also make it push more by staring at something until it pushes and i felinally hear a small pop. I also feel this sensation on the top of my head were there is now a bump lining the whole top. I also abused mdma weekely for about 6 months...
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matt2012
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blood pressure problem IMO...but I aint no doctor
First Bad Comedown
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I'll make this brief...
The scalp and face is covered with nerves that are wired directly into the brain, because the spinal cord is not involved.
There are an impressive number of muscles in the face, which are connected to nerves.
When a stroke occurs, a blood vessel in the brain is either blocked or burst.
Many stroke victims lose sensation and function in one side of their face.
The good news is you aren't having strokes.
The bad news is that your brain is being re-wired.
Serotonin has a profound impact upon blood distribution in the brain.
Depending on your last dose, your serotonin levels may be very low.
But more important than this - your brainstem is sending serotonin down the branches of the network and many of the axons and receptor sites are gone.
As new axons are slowing popping up, small capillaries in the brain are being diverted from their normal place.
They call it 're-wiring' for a reason.
Serotonin is playing a tug-of-war with your brain's blood supply.
The nerves on your face are sensing this.
I can recall months of sensations in different parts of my face/scalp.
Specifically, I had LOTS of strange sensations around the forehead and between my eyebrows.
At some points, the brow muscles would actually twitch, very rapidly.
Twitches were not such a bother, it was the constant 'head-pressure' that really fucked me up.
It felt like a part of my brain was being squeezed for HOURS.
And yes, this almost ALWAYS correlated with sensations on specific facial/scalp nerves.
I only got a 'click' on two occasions, and this was after 4 months of recovery. It also correlated with anger, not just anxiety...I actually caused it to happen.
I also never experienced real 'zaps' like many MDMA users describe...but I would often feel a sudden crescendo in my 'head-pressure'.
Sometimes this crescendo was SO bad that it was completely debilitating for several minutes.
Advice: You can lower your serotonin activity in the brain by eating less carbohydrates.
Junk food is NOT your friend anymore - it is now time to eat lots of veggies/fruit and proteins of all kinds.
When eating carbs, focus on GOOD carbs like sweet potatoes or wheat bread.
Stay AWAY from refined sugars and fried foods.
If you didn't know, the primary purpose for serotonin is contraction of smooth muscle around the intestines.
The constant activity in the gut is driving the re-wiring process, including the movement of blood vessels in the brain.
It is VERY unlikely you will have an actual stroke, but it is not impossible.
When you are feeling lots of pressure, take it easy.
Otherwise, exercise is your best bet - ALL stroke patients are told to begin exercise the very first day after the event.
Take billberry and magnesium - they are awesome anti-oxidants AND they strengthen blood vessels.
Lots of fish oil too - better mylenation means easier brain modification.
Exercise, eat healthy, take vitamins and supplements.
Sleep as much as you can.
If you are lucky, you will get through this quickly.
If not, you could be looking at 12 months of 're-wiring'.
Even if this is the case it gets MUCH easier to tolerate over time.
NO MORE DRUGS.
Especially serotonin drugs like MDMA, mushrooms, etc.
Even weed increases serotonin activity in the brain - it could give you terrible panic attacks.
If you insist on smoking anyways, smoke VERY little.
Doctors are unlikely to help.
Getting hooked on benzos or SSRIs is only going to make it worse in the long-run.
They won't scan your brain either, unless you really fight for it.
Even neurologists are limited in their capabilities.
The brain is very complex, which is also an advantage.
The odds are over-overwhelmingly in your favor.
Even long-term heavy users experience a clinical recovery within a 1-2 year timeline.
The heaviest cannabis users were most commonly the sufferers of emotional/psychological problems.
I hope this helps.
Good luck.
The scalp and face is covered with nerves that are wired directly into the brain, because the spinal cord is not involved.
There are an impressive number of muscles in the face, which are connected to nerves.
When a stroke occurs, a blood vessel in the brain is either blocked or burst.
Many stroke victims lose sensation and function in one side of their face.
The good news is you aren't having strokes.
The bad news is that your brain is being re-wired.
Serotonin has a profound impact upon blood distribution in the brain.
Depending on your last dose, your serotonin levels may be very low.
But more important than this - your brainstem is sending serotonin down the branches of the network and many of the axons and receptor sites are gone.
As new axons are slowing popping up, small capillaries in the brain are being diverted from their normal place.
They call it 're-wiring' for a reason.
Serotonin is playing a tug-of-war with your brain's blood supply.
The nerves on your face are sensing this.
I can recall months of sensations in different parts of my face/scalp.
Specifically, I had LOTS of strange sensations around the forehead and between my eyebrows.
At some points, the brow muscles would actually twitch, very rapidly.
Twitches were not such a bother, it was the constant 'head-pressure' that really fucked me up.
It felt like a part of my brain was being squeezed for HOURS.
And yes, this almost ALWAYS correlated with sensations on specific facial/scalp nerves.
I only got a 'click' on two occasions, and this was after 4 months of recovery. It also correlated with anger, not just anxiety...I actually caused it to happen.
I also never experienced real 'zaps' like many MDMA users describe...but I would often feel a sudden crescendo in my 'head-pressure'.
Sometimes this crescendo was SO bad that it was completely debilitating for several minutes.
Advice: You can lower your serotonin activity in the brain by eating less carbohydrates.
Junk food is NOT your friend anymore - it is now time to eat lots of veggies/fruit and proteins of all kinds.
When eating carbs, focus on GOOD carbs like sweet potatoes or wheat bread.
Stay AWAY from refined sugars and fried foods.
If you didn't know, the primary purpose for serotonin is contraction of smooth muscle around the intestines.
The constant activity in the gut is driving the re-wiring process, including the movement of blood vessels in the brain.
It is VERY unlikely you will have an actual stroke, but it is not impossible.
When you are feeling lots of pressure, take it easy.
Otherwise, exercise is your best bet - ALL stroke patients are told to begin exercise the very first day after the event.
Take billberry and magnesium - they are awesome anti-oxidants AND they strengthen blood vessels.
Lots of fish oil too - better mylenation means easier brain modification.
Exercise, eat healthy, take vitamins and supplements.
Sleep as much as you can.
If you are lucky, you will get through this quickly.
If not, you could be looking at 12 months of 're-wiring'.
Even if this is the case it gets MUCH easier to tolerate over time.
NO MORE DRUGS.
Especially serotonin drugs like MDMA, mushrooms, etc.
Even weed increases serotonin activity in the brain - it could give you terrible panic attacks.
If you insist on smoking anyways, smoke VERY little.
Doctors are unlikely to help.
Getting hooked on benzos or SSRIs is only going to make it worse in the long-run.
They won't scan your brain either, unless you really fight for it.
Even neurologists are limited in their capabilities.
The brain is very complex, which is also an advantage.
The odds are over-overwhelmingly in your favor.
Even long-term heavy users experience a clinical recovery within a 1-2 year timeline.
The heaviest cannabis users were most commonly the sufferers of emotional/psychological problems.
I hope this helps.
Good luck.
socalthizzn
Bluelighter
My armpit pulses' at random times on random days, i hope im ok too.
severely etarded
Bluelight Crew
see a doctor and stop all drug use.
what FBC said, but I say see a doctor because you have no idea whether or not it is directly caused from the MDMA abuse. If it is, it should start to clear up in a few weeks without using drugs/alcohol
what FBC said, but I say see a doctor because you have no idea whether or not it is directly caused from the MDMA abuse. If it is, it should start to clear up in a few weeks without using drugs/alcohol
Number Love
Bluelighter
FirstBadComedown gives the best replies ever.
You gotta stop rolling until you feel better, I've had the same thing happen to me and it only gets worse.
Are there any other side effects of the abuse your encountering?
You gotta stop rolling until you feel better, I've had the same thing happen to me and it only gets worse.
Are there any other side effects of the abuse your encountering?
Thank you FBC, for all the information you have given me through out my recovery. Only you have let me see the light on the other side. I was waking up thinking about how I messed up my life before it could even begin. Now i wake up thinking about how i feel bad now but in a few weeks ill feel even better. I started exersising every day, Picked up some pricetam and told my hippie parents to get even more friuts and veggies to add to are huge pile. I also noticted that if i put a postitve look on things a actually feel better than if i was to be sad and depressed about it. Maybe you should right a book "How to save your brain". I actually used to be pretty smart too, honors classes 4 year varsity wrestler and district champion. Will i get back to the way i was or just a little bit. Oh ya i noticed that when i smoke weed the pulsating head starts to go more and i start to get visuals. What could this be?
Number Love
Bluelighter
Woah can relate to this.
You'll get back to your smartness as well.
It's your brain trippin out cuz its so scattered, right now.
severely etarded
Bluelight Crew
Ya positive outlook helps a lot. Mental problems are all in one's own head, and how one approaches it makes all the difference. The mind/subconscious are powerful tools and I think the subconscience is powerful enough to overcome mental problems in many (but not all) cases...
The smartness will come back. Abstain from drugs AND alcohol (alcohol will severely prolong the recovery process). The damage to your brain is similar to a concussion, in that it is somewhat of an injury to the brain. It causes a lot of the same symptoms. While a concussion injury is primarily where a contusion is, and also the rest of the brain at a whole. MDMA effects the SERT and possibly the rest of the brain to some extent.
About the weed smoking head pulsating - Weed makes my head pulsate sometimes too. Not all the time. It may be some kind of chemical in your bud... I suspect some of the bud has bad chemicals from growing that can help trigger this.
Anyway, all you can really do is eat a balanced diet low in junk food. Stay away from saturated fats, trans fats, & corn syrup; regular cardiovascular exercise...
The smartness will come back. Abstain from drugs AND alcohol (alcohol will severely prolong the recovery process). The damage to your brain is similar to a concussion, in that it is somewhat of an injury to the brain. It causes a lot of the same symptoms. While a concussion injury is primarily where a contusion is, and also the rest of the brain at a whole. MDMA effects the SERT and possibly the rest of the brain to some extent.
About the weed smoking head pulsating - Weed makes my head pulsate sometimes too. Not all the time. It may be some kind of chemical in your bud... I suspect some of the bud has bad chemicals from growing that can help trigger this.
Anyway, all you can really do is eat a balanced diet low in junk food. Stay away from saturated fats, trans fats, & corn syrup; regular cardiovascular exercise...
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First Bad Comedown
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Hey guys...
Thanks for the replies.
I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Severely - statements about it 'all being in your head' are simply inappropriate.
Let me try to explain.
Of course it resides within the head, but the statement seems to indicate that the level of suffering is up to the individual.
I have seen similar statements many times before.
Are we making it worse than it has to be?
Can we just make the right choices and watch our symptoms follow suit?
I strongly argue against this perspective.
Keep in mind that I have almost 10 months of experience dealing with this.
Although my studies were quite intense for the first 4 months, by 6 months I was working daily and losing interest in posting all the time.
I also continued the advice I give out - exercise all the time and eat healthy.
I tried not to focus on the negative thoughts and I kept myself busy, including socially.
I have a smoking hot wife that demands sex on a regular basis, too.
BUT, I disagree very strongly with the assertion that it is 'all in your head'.
This is not simply mind over matter.
I have seen a trend on BL for those in recovery - there are some who suffer immensely and others who just feel 'different'.
Chitown, for example, did 800 fucking tabs and he claims that it wasn't nearly as bad as I make it out to be.
Severely likely belongs to this group as well.
I have been very confused by this difference...
What makes it tolerable for some and torture for others?
I went over all the various risk factors for myself, repeatedly.
I know without a doubt that taking a high dose of benedryl potentiated the toxic effects of the MDMA, causing a case of serotonin syndrome. But many people come out of SS without profound changes...
A couple years ago I had a VERY bad mushroom trip, bad enough that I insisted I was going to die.
This was a warning sign, but I came out of it feeling normal.
I rolled many times after this without the slightest problem.
There are no obvious genetic complications that I can surmise.
I have no serious depression or anxiety in my personal past.
After searching extensively I stumbled across several studies that I remember from my initial search.
When I saw it I did a facepalm.
Long-term heavy use of cannabis is associated with a greater risk for psychopathology in MDMA users.
While the extent of MDMA use predicts the cognitive deficit, it is the extent of cannabis use that predicts the emotional deficit.
Then I though about all the people I had come across on BL that had MAJOR problems...
Down the line, each one of them admitted to being a heavy weed smoker.
Myself? I smoked from the age of 20-28 almost daily.
Marijuana increases serotonin in the brain temporarily, but over the long-term it decreases serotonin.
Long-term use of ANY drug changes the way the brain functions, and it would appear that weed is capable of setting people up for major problems with psychedelic drugs.
Marijuana is considered to be a 'confounding' factor in MDMA research since nearly all MDMA users also smoke.
I have to admit, they are a perfect combination!
But a few researchers started to look at the extent of marijuana use, and found a definite correlation.
This doesn't mean that all heavy smokers are at HIGH risk for this type of break-down.
But it DOES mean that those who have a break-down are MUCH more likely to have been regular smokers.
Make sense?
On its own, marijuana increases the risk for schizophrenia in a big way.
If you are at risk for developing the disorder, your odds of contracting it go up 6 fold if you smoke cannabis.
Schizophrenia and MDMA psychosis share many traits in common.
They look very similar to trained professionals - anhedonia, altered speech, depression, anxiety, panic attacks, lack of interest in food, life, sex...these are all common in schizo patients.
It is believed that both disorders share a common cause - an imbalance in dopamine between the lower and higher brain regions. When the limbic system has a high level of dopamine combined with a low level of activity in the cortical regions, psychosis is the result.
It is this level of dopamine imbalance that I believe differentiates the level of emotional suffering of the MDMA user.
Marijuana use seems to increase the risk of a severe imbalance, but not for everyone.
Advice on just 'getting on with life' or 'its all in your head' makes about as much sense as if you were saying it to a truly schizophrenic patient. The imbalance is PHYSICAL in nature - the loss of serotonin activity in the frontal lobes causes a loss of dopamine, blood flow, and glucose metabolism!
Now...I feel the need to point out a strange finding.
In the beginning I was very reluctant to take tryptophan because it made the anxiety a LOT worse.
I simply put it away in favor of the Piracetam.
Then, after stopping the Piracetam at 6 months, I decided to try it again.
I was SHOCKED at how calm it made me feel.
Many of the cerebral symptoms continued, but my emotional response was NOT the same.
I simply didn't care anymore. And I slept MUCH better, quite suddenly.
Somedud has also claimed that rolling around 1 year into his recovery (not recommended) actually made his anxiety GO AWAY. He said it made his mind 'quiet' and he slept like a baby. He also said that his brain zaps went away and he felt that his progress has stopped. Eventually he got on SSRIs, which he is raving about.
My point is that supplementing with tryptophan, or taking a serotonin releaser like MDMA, or even an SSRI seems to make all the suffering go away, even in severe cases. Why this happens exactly is hard to explain, but my money would be on restoring the balance of dopamine.
Taking tryptophan or 5-HTP is safe if done by itself.
Mixing with ANY other serotonin agents is potentially dangerous, especially to those of us in recovery.
As long as you are careful, these supplement will raise your total serotonin supply.
But taking MDMA or SSRIs will actually LOWER the supply.
At first, the increased serotonin level will cause a major improvement.
But then the levels drop.
MDMA inhibits the production of more serotonin for 1-3 months.
Its no wonder that somedud started worrying about his recovery being stopped by his last roll!
Now SSRIs have transformed him into a new man...
But his dose has already been raised - because the brain adjusts.
Over time, his stores of serotonin will continue to drop, making withdrawal more and more difficult.
The question, in my opinion, is when to force withdrawal?
When has maximum benefit been attained?
How many of the new serotonin axons survive discontinuation of medication?
SSRIs can have a surprisingly negative effect - the Nucleus Acumbens can be damaged by extended periods of high prolactin levels. Dopamine receptors in this region, the pleasure center of the brain, can be down-regulated for a LONG time. Even permanently in rare cases.
So I consider SSRIs to be risky, alongside MDMA.
However, it is amazing to see the transformation of a person.
His outcome will be very important to me - I really hope for the best.
Another treatment method, for the brave - ECT.
Electro-Convulsive Therapy is considered controversial by many people, but its effectiveness is impressive.
If treated in the first year, 80% of schizophrenic patients experience a permanent recovery.
Typically, only 20% make such a recovery.
ECT has been shown to cause impressive blooming of new serotonin axons.
This is thought to happen due to an injury response by the glial cells in the brain.
The glial cells comprise HALF of the brain, by the way.
It is the glial brain that serves as the serotonin transporter - removing serotonin from the synapse between neurons.
MDMA reverses this transporter, causing a massive dump of serotonin.
This damages the transporter and the neurons.
However, the glial cells response to this injury may be a large part of the toxicity of MDMA.
Why don't the glial cells just allow the original axons to pop back up?
Because in the CNS, this just doesn't happen.
Neurons are forced to throw axons blindly about...without a guide to help them.
But certain things can cause the glial cells to emit nerve growth factors - essentially guiding the axons to new destinations.
Exercise is such a thing - releasing BDNF and stem cells into many parts of the brain.
But ECT releases a powerful wave of nerve growth factors, and it also reboots the brain by pausing the electrical activity.
A wave of calcium ions can be seen to fluctuate through the glial cells.
Enhancing these nerve growth factors is about all we can do.
That's why daily exercise is your best bet - it won't fix you, but it WILL give you influence over the process.
Short of getting ECT, it is the best bet.
Lion's Mane mushrooms looks like a good bet - mine are on order.
Alcohol is VERY bad - it destroys nerve growth factor...drink in careful moderation.
I have also had success with Acetyl-L-Carnatine.
This is an amino acid that increases dopamine and serotonin in the nucleus acumbens.
The transition is very intense and takes hours.
But at a certain point, everything comes flooding back in.
Its like it reconnects several pathways in the PFC, restoring more function than I ever imagined.
I am thoroughly impressed with the results, so I highly recommend it.
I has been studied with acute toxic doses of MDMA and it appears to offer substantial neuroprotection.
It helps brain cells to intake more fatty acids and it probably improves the transporters ability to protect itself.
In normal dosing, the glial cells are able to cope with the excess serotonin - it is through repeated dosing that all protective measures are exhausted. Then peroxide radicals are formed out of dead mitochondria!
Perhaps the ALCAR can restore some of the damaged gene expression.
Perhaps we should just sign up for the shocker!
I'm considering it. :-\
Inbox cleared - so let me know if you have any questions.
Good luck and keep up the exercise.
Thanks for the replies.
I must respectfully disagree with Mr. Severely - statements about it 'all being in your head' are simply inappropriate.
Let me try to explain.
Of course it resides within the head, but the statement seems to indicate that the level of suffering is up to the individual.
I have seen similar statements many times before.
Are we making it worse than it has to be?
Can we just make the right choices and watch our symptoms follow suit?
I strongly argue against this perspective.
Keep in mind that I have almost 10 months of experience dealing with this.
Although my studies were quite intense for the first 4 months, by 6 months I was working daily and losing interest in posting all the time.
I also continued the advice I give out - exercise all the time and eat healthy.
I tried not to focus on the negative thoughts and I kept myself busy, including socially.
I have a smoking hot wife that demands sex on a regular basis, too.
BUT, I disagree very strongly with the assertion that it is 'all in your head'.
This is not simply mind over matter.
I have seen a trend on BL for those in recovery - there are some who suffer immensely and others who just feel 'different'.
Chitown, for example, did 800 fucking tabs and he claims that it wasn't nearly as bad as I make it out to be.
Severely likely belongs to this group as well.
I have been very confused by this difference...
What makes it tolerable for some and torture for others?
I went over all the various risk factors for myself, repeatedly.
I know without a doubt that taking a high dose of benedryl potentiated the toxic effects of the MDMA, causing a case of serotonin syndrome. But many people come out of SS without profound changes...
A couple years ago I had a VERY bad mushroom trip, bad enough that I insisted I was going to die.
This was a warning sign, but I came out of it feeling normal.
I rolled many times after this without the slightest problem.
There are no obvious genetic complications that I can surmise.
I have no serious depression or anxiety in my personal past.
After searching extensively I stumbled across several studies that I remember from my initial search.
When I saw it I did a facepalm.
Long-term heavy use of cannabis is associated with a greater risk for psychopathology in MDMA users.
While the extent of MDMA use predicts the cognitive deficit, it is the extent of cannabis use that predicts the emotional deficit.
Then I though about all the people I had come across on BL that had MAJOR problems...
Down the line, each one of them admitted to being a heavy weed smoker.
Myself? I smoked from the age of 20-28 almost daily.
Marijuana increases serotonin in the brain temporarily, but over the long-term it decreases serotonin.
Long-term use of ANY drug changes the way the brain functions, and it would appear that weed is capable of setting people up for major problems with psychedelic drugs.
Marijuana is considered to be a 'confounding' factor in MDMA research since nearly all MDMA users also smoke.
I have to admit, they are a perfect combination!
But a few researchers started to look at the extent of marijuana use, and found a definite correlation.
This doesn't mean that all heavy smokers are at HIGH risk for this type of break-down.
But it DOES mean that those who have a break-down are MUCH more likely to have been regular smokers.
Make sense?
On its own, marijuana increases the risk for schizophrenia in a big way.
If you are at risk for developing the disorder, your odds of contracting it go up 6 fold if you smoke cannabis.
Schizophrenia and MDMA psychosis share many traits in common.
They look very similar to trained professionals - anhedonia, altered speech, depression, anxiety, panic attacks, lack of interest in food, life, sex...these are all common in schizo patients.
It is believed that both disorders share a common cause - an imbalance in dopamine between the lower and higher brain regions. When the limbic system has a high level of dopamine combined with a low level of activity in the cortical regions, psychosis is the result.
It is this level of dopamine imbalance that I believe differentiates the level of emotional suffering of the MDMA user.
Marijuana use seems to increase the risk of a severe imbalance, but not for everyone.
Advice on just 'getting on with life' or 'its all in your head' makes about as much sense as if you were saying it to a truly schizophrenic patient. The imbalance is PHYSICAL in nature - the loss of serotonin activity in the frontal lobes causes a loss of dopamine, blood flow, and glucose metabolism!
Now...I feel the need to point out a strange finding.
In the beginning I was very reluctant to take tryptophan because it made the anxiety a LOT worse.
I simply put it away in favor of the Piracetam.
Then, after stopping the Piracetam at 6 months, I decided to try it again.
I was SHOCKED at how calm it made me feel.
Many of the cerebral symptoms continued, but my emotional response was NOT the same.
I simply didn't care anymore. And I slept MUCH better, quite suddenly.
Somedud has also claimed that rolling around 1 year into his recovery (not recommended) actually made his anxiety GO AWAY. He said it made his mind 'quiet' and he slept like a baby. He also said that his brain zaps went away and he felt that his progress has stopped. Eventually he got on SSRIs, which he is raving about.
My point is that supplementing with tryptophan, or taking a serotonin releaser like MDMA, or even an SSRI seems to make all the suffering go away, even in severe cases. Why this happens exactly is hard to explain, but my money would be on restoring the balance of dopamine.
Taking tryptophan or 5-HTP is safe if done by itself.
Mixing with ANY other serotonin agents is potentially dangerous, especially to those of us in recovery.
As long as you are careful, these supplement will raise your total serotonin supply.
But taking MDMA or SSRIs will actually LOWER the supply.
At first, the increased serotonin level will cause a major improvement.
But then the levels drop.
MDMA inhibits the production of more serotonin for 1-3 months.
Its no wonder that somedud started worrying about his recovery being stopped by his last roll!
Now SSRIs have transformed him into a new man...
But his dose has already been raised - because the brain adjusts.
Over time, his stores of serotonin will continue to drop, making withdrawal more and more difficult.
The question, in my opinion, is when to force withdrawal?
When has maximum benefit been attained?
How many of the new serotonin axons survive discontinuation of medication?
SSRIs can have a surprisingly negative effect - the Nucleus Acumbens can be damaged by extended periods of high prolactin levels. Dopamine receptors in this region, the pleasure center of the brain, can be down-regulated for a LONG time. Even permanently in rare cases.
So I consider SSRIs to be risky, alongside MDMA.
However, it is amazing to see the transformation of a person.
His outcome will be very important to me - I really hope for the best.
Another treatment method, for the brave - ECT.
Electro-Convulsive Therapy is considered controversial by many people, but its effectiveness is impressive.
If treated in the first year, 80% of schizophrenic patients experience a permanent recovery.
Typically, only 20% make such a recovery.
ECT has been shown to cause impressive blooming of new serotonin axons.
This is thought to happen due to an injury response by the glial cells in the brain.
The glial cells comprise HALF of the brain, by the way.
It is the glial brain that serves as the serotonin transporter - removing serotonin from the synapse between neurons.
MDMA reverses this transporter, causing a massive dump of serotonin.
This damages the transporter and the neurons.
However, the glial cells response to this injury may be a large part of the toxicity of MDMA.
Why don't the glial cells just allow the original axons to pop back up?
Because in the CNS, this just doesn't happen.
Neurons are forced to throw axons blindly about...without a guide to help them.
But certain things can cause the glial cells to emit nerve growth factors - essentially guiding the axons to new destinations.
Exercise is such a thing - releasing BDNF and stem cells into many parts of the brain.
But ECT releases a powerful wave of nerve growth factors, and it also reboots the brain by pausing the electrical activity.
A wave of calcium ions can be seen to fluctuate through the glial cells.
Enhancing these nerve growth factors is about all we can do.
That's why daily exercise is your best bet - it won't fix you, but it WILL give you influence over the process.
Short of getting ECT, it is the best bet.
Lion's Mane mushrooms looks like a good bet - mine are on order.
Alcohol is VERY bad - it destroys nerve growth factor...drink in careful moderation.
I have also had success with Acetyl-L-Carnatine.
This is an amino acid that increases dopamine and serotonin in the nucleus acumbens.
The transition is very intense and takes hours.
But at a certain point, everything comes flooding back in.
Its like it reconnects several pathways in the PFC, restoring more function than I ever imagined.
I am thoroughly impressed with the results, so I highly recommend it.
I has been studied with acute toxic doses of MDMA and it appears to offer substantial neuroprotection.
It helps brain cells to intake more fatty acids and it probably improves the transporters ability to protect itself.
In normal dosing, the glial cells are able to cope with the excess serotonin - it is through repeated dosing that all protective measures are exhausted. Then peroxide radicals are formed out of dead mitochondria!
Perhaps the ALCAR can restore some of the damaged gene expression.
Perhaps we should just sign up for the shocker!
I'm considering it. :-\
Inbox cleared - so let me know if you have any questions.
Good luck and keep up the exercise.
sapphire life
Bluelighter
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@ your question that you asked if you would ever be smart again?
you have lost nothing. i wholeheartedly believe that you are still as smart as you ever were, you only become a fry if you let yourself become one. read a lot of books, constantly tell yourself you are intelligent and fast, and quick witted. wait 5 months abstaining from serotonin drugs. you will feel so great hitting that 5 month date, you will feel like your OLD OLD self and be much healthier for it. it may seem like such a long time man but it is so worth it, and you will be able to come back to MDMA with much much more respect for your body and the drug itself. drugs can be fun, don't use them at the expense of your health man. you're worth more than that!
you have lost nothing. i wholeheartedly believe that you are still as smart as you ever were, you only become a fry if you let yourself become one. read a lot of books, constantly tell yourself you are intelligent and fast, and quick witted. wait 5 months abstaining from serotonin drugs. you will feel so great hitting that 5 month date, you will feel like your OLD OLD self and be much healthier for it. it may seem like such a long time man but it is so worth it, and you will be able to come back to MDMA with much much more respect for your body and the drug itself. drugs can be fun, don't use them at the expense of your health man. you're worth more than that!
severely etarded
Bluelight Crew
The level of suffering in many cases IS up to the individual. People make problems out to be much more than they are all the time. This is not 100% true, but you would have to be naive to think that meditation is 'just a bunch of hooey'. Meditation is a mental state that can cure other mental issues in some cases. I never said this was 100% though.
A person's outlook DRASTICLY effects their entire - EVERYTHING. If their outlook is grim and gloomy, they will see no progress. You cannot tell me otherwise.
I never said it can always be changed! But in many cases simply starting with positive attitude --> exercise --> happiness.
Never underestimate the subconscious mind and will-power. People have been known to have all kinds of bizarre psychosomatic responses. Meditation is a powerful thing. You do not agree the mind is powerful? That's all I was saying, but you wanted to tell me I'm wrong and you're right I guess
Once again you are clearly misintepretting my point. It's not simply mind over matter. It's simply the outlook on the problem effecting the recovery. Remember, mental problems are quite literally in your headI strongly argue against this perspective.
Keep in mind that I have almost 10 months of experience dealing with this.
Although my studies were quite intense for the first 4 months, by 6 months I was working daily and losing interest in posting all the time.
I also continued the advice I give out - exercise all the time and eat healthy.
I tried not to focus on the negative thoughts and I kept myself busy, including socially.
I have a smoking hot wife that demands sex on a regular basis, too.
BUT, I disagree very strongly with the assertion that it is 'all in your head'.
This is not simply mind over matter.
Although the thing is like I said, I quote again because you wanted to make a long post about how I'm wrong....Keeping your mind active - Read - exercise - do something productive that involves not worrying 'am I ever going to be okay again?' - Instead just do these activites and know eventually you will be okay again.
You need to chill out and stop googling so many garbage anti-marijuana studies. I debunked every link you sent the last time. First off - None of the links you showed give a causual pharmacodynamic reason that cannabis lowers serotonin. This simply is not true! The only study that was somewhat relevant showed teens who smoked cannabis daily had lowered serotonin. What the study completely ignored is that many people exhibiting signs of depression have low serotonin levels, and have been treated for SSRI's in the past. And many people who have depression have smoked cannabis daily to treat it. A lot of people smoke cannabis regularly because they subconsciously are seeking medication for an underlying mental condition that needs treatment.
I have smoked weed since I was 12. I am 21 now I still smoke it every damn day. A lot of times weed helps with perspective and takes my mind off how I feel.
My wife on the other hand had some problems from rolling awhile back, which she's since overcome. But she doesn't smoke at all...
Looks like a bunch of connecting dots with very little correlation, but we all have our opinions
No doubt, but I don't see a damn thing wrong with having a positive outlook going into a recovery. I think getting on with your life takes your mind off of 'how it feels'. Just sitting around endlessly researching stuff online doesn't help!
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severely etarded
Bluelight Crew
me too but it may not be good if it's giving u a headache
Number Love
Bluelighter
I can't help but really feel that if you abuse MDMA and don't smoke weed that'd just suck, it's a god send for dealing with comedowns.
For me its like THC is my wife that i have sex with everyday and MDMA is this super crazy hot fun bitch that you bring in for a threesome on fun occasions!
THC and MDMA are for sure my favorite fucking molecules...
For me its like THC is my wife that i have sex with everyday and MDMA is this super crazy hot fun bitch that you bring in for a threesome on fun occasions!
THC and MDMA are for sure my favorite fucking molecules...
First Bad Comedown
Bluelighter
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Severely -
I have made some more space in my inbox.
I suppose you are trying to prevent an extended argument in ED forum?
You would not be the first person to argue with me.
And you won't be the last.
The truth is, I really don't have any issues with you. Nor do I disagree with all that you say.
But I DO have a big problem with people posting in threads started by victims of MDMA in an attempt to minimize the consequences or confuse the direction of blame.
This is a sign of addiction - defending a drug that is known to be toxic to perpetuate your own use/abuse.
MDMA has enough defenders. Why do they even need to join threads like this?
I have a bigger issue when it is a 'moderator' participating in this immature behavior, regardless of where they moderate.
How often do you roll, Mr. Etarded?
If you think you have actually succeeded in 'debunking' the studies I referred to in the other thread, you have deluded yourself.
Simply posting an argument is all you have done.
And your argument is fairly weak, when compared to the thoughtful and detailed opinions I presented.
The few references I threw onto that page are a VERY small sample of what is available.
The opinions I present so strongly are based upon reading hundreds of studies and trying to look at the bigger picture.
How about you?
Questions about the purity of MDMA used by humans is a valid concern, but using this defense is NOT adequate to dismiss the findings of THOUSANDS of studies.
For example, even if some people on BL were the victim of piperazines, this does not eliminate the fact that MDMA is a potent neurotoxin with the potential to cause a long-term reorganization of our most intricate neurotransmitter system.
So why do SO many people simply ignore the STRONG assertions made by some researchers, as if ALL data is corrupted?
It appears that marijuana is more than just a 'confounding' factor - it is an additional complication.
It also appears that length and extent of cannabis use is relevant.
Another factor could be age.
I remember reading a book last year that reviewed several long-term studies on human cannabis use.
While the levels of serotonin were not at issue, cognitive abilities were.
One of the findings was that quitting would allow recovery of short-term memory depending on the length of use.
For those that were new to marijuana, cognitive abilities returned quickly.
Smokers that had ten years of use often took up to a year to return to control levels.
The oldest group, with 30 years of use, failed to show full recovery even after many years of abstinence.
Now, it would be easy to label this 'anti-marijuana propaganda' and hit post.
You might even claim to have won the argument.
You could say that people who have smoked for 30 years are likely in their 50s and are subject to cognitive decline already.
This must not be a 'peer-reviewed' study! It doesn't live up to my stringent requirements!
All findings are dismissed...
Wait a minute - regardless of the study, whether on marijuana's or MDMA's long-term effects, we have to ask ourselves what relevance does this yield?
We cannot insist on perfect measures and absolute findings - this is an IDEAL that science seeks, but rarely attains.
The wiser choice - the more mature choice, is to extract something from the findings and consider what role it plays in the bigger picture.
Does this study mean that marijuana is 'evil' and extremely harmful?
Of course not - that would be propaganda.
It DOES mean that marijuana damages/changes pathways in our brains, and this effect (just as with ALL drugs) is dose and time-dependent.
The longer you use it, the greater the aggregate effect on your mind.
Labeling it an 'anti-depressant' is inappropriate in the first place - how often do you use your anti-depressant?
What anti-depressant exists that should be used DAILY?
Hmm...
Have some more 'propaganda' - did you know that cannabis interferes with REM sleep?
The brain normally enters a period of alpha brain waves during our deepest sleep.
When awake, this pattern often involves our very survival.
It looks like our brains are practicing scenarios during our dreams...trying to process information or prepare for future events.
Dreams can be very intense - and they are described as MORE intense for recent marijuana users.
Many people who quit smoking say that their dreams become more vivid and more frequent after stopping.
I know this was the case for me MANY times over the years.
There is even a condition labeled 'cannabis withdrawal'.
Amusing...I know.
Compared to other types of withdrawal, it seems irrelevant.
But some doctors have illustrated severe emotional responses in recent users, often rivaling cigarette withdrawal.
Along with their changes in behavior, they have seen high levels of glutamate in their brains.
THC increases GABA in your brain, which has an inhibitory effect upon neurons...hence the sedating effects of benzos and alchohol.
When the THC is withdrawn, the number of GABA receptors is too great for the available supply, and this inhibition is reversed.
A strong surge of glutamate, an excitatory neurotransmitter, is released.
Glutamate can be TOXIC to brain cells - in fact it may be one of the tools used by our glial cells to sever connections between neurons.
Have you ever felt the effects of post-THC rage?
I have, and I have seen others go through it as well - but only long-term smokers.
It normally takes SO long to kick in, that many people simply don't 'connect the dots'.
Somewhere around one week, maybe longer, it begins.
It can last through the second week, but i takes up to a month for THC levels to fall below detection.
What is causing this glutamate surge and increased dream activity?
Well, I know another thing that causes glutamate toxicity - stimulant withdrawal.
Stimulants typically influence dopamine directly.
MDMA has such effects, but its influence on serotonin actually causes a targeted release of dopamine down the same pathway that traditional stimulants do. It is the interaction between serotonin and dopamine in our higher brain regions that makes the magic happen - i.e. the neuro-endocrine response.
GABA and glutamate aside...
It may be that cannabis causes a dopamine imbalance in regular users through its effects on serotonin, and it can certainly influence the level of dopamine imbalance seen in stimulant users.
Lets review some of my assertions...
Canabidiol, a constituent of cannabis, has weak affinity for serotonin receptors.
Withdrawal from regular cannabis use can cause high glutamate activity and severe emotional distress.
Cognitive effects from cannabis can take many months or YEARS to reach undetectable levels in long-term users.
Prolactin response to MDMA or other serotonin agonists is LOWER in regular cannabis users.
Incidence of psychopathology post-MDMA use is HIGHER in regular cannabis users.
Even on its own, cannabis greatly increases the risk of schizophrenia (a severe dopamine imbalance) among certain users.
Am I still 'connecting the dots'?
Connecting the dots, young man, is EXACTLY what science is all about.
The only 'propaganda' present in this debate, lies on your side.
You are free to believe whatever you want about marijuana and serotonin.
So are all the readers of my posts.
Belief doesn't equal truth.
The truth, as it appears, is that marijuana is capable of much more than you chose to believe.
No, we do not have perfect studies with absolute findings. Not with cannabis, and not with MDMA.
We have a 'collection of data'.
Dots that need connecting.
Marijuana and MDMA are amazing buddies, aren't they?
I can't imagine EVER rolling without having something to smoke.
Ever think they go together so well because cannabis increases GABA and serotonin while rolling?
I wish I had known that smoking so regularly could influence the resiliency of my serotonin network!
If only someone had 'connected the dots' and told me...
You have been a smoker since age 12?
Damn. I didn't even START until 20.
Now you are 21 and you think you haven't damaged yourself yet...
Keep smoking daily until you are in you are my age (29).
Keep rolling, too.
Then come back and tell the next generation of teenagers and young-adult drug users on BL how well that worked out for you.
Newsflash - being young is an advantage.
MANY young people think themselves to be invincible.
They don't even realize that's what they are doing until they are looking backwards!
Everyone eventually starts to feel changes, both physical and cognitive, as they age.
I can't tell you how many people in their 30s and 40s I have seen reforming the way they live simply because of how they FEEL.
Only AFTER they are sick, on breathing assistance, and losing teeth do they begin to consider cigarettes a thing of the past.
Only AFTER their brain volume has shrunk and their livers are compromised, do alcoholics wish they had chosen differently.
If we discuss stimulants or other drugs, the progression normally doesn't take a lifetime to set in - permanently.
How many old hippies have you met?
I know quite a few, and some are normal-ish.
I know a man who is a successful RN, making over 100k per year.
He is 50 years old - and he still struggles to read text on a computer screen due to his use of LSD in the 70s.
And he would simply say that the consequences are a 'part of life'.
He might even agree that 'its in your head'...
I know another who isn't so successful - a friend's mom who is the same age and makes very little.
She also did LSD many times when she was younger, and now she is an alcoholic.
I do not KNOW another human being as absent-minded as she is.
Psychedelic drugs change people.
Some of them adapt well and may go on to describe the changes as tolerable.
Other people are more affected, and may even chose to continue drug/alcohol use for a long time.
The point is - we ALL age.
And we only have ONE brain.
While it is resilient it is NOT impervious.
Your brain is capable of re-wiring itself, but not without sacrifice.
And this sacrifice is NOT always evident at the age of 21.
Even the older members of BL that would argue my strong posts, would have to agree that the effects of MDMA - however tolerable - are accruing with age.
I am adding a strong argument that regular smoking of weed INCREASES the changes that are accruing with age in MDMA users.
You simply cannot know, yet, what you are doing to your mind.
My loudest advice, if you look through most of my posts, is to CONTROL DOSAGE.
This ONE factor has more influence upon toxicity than ANY other.
Repeated doses of MDMA causes greater and greater 'alterations' to the serotonin system.
Now I am adding another loud opinion - DON'T BE A POTHEAD.
And I had to argue with you to get it out there.
I am not trying to be condescending without purpose.
And I am glad to have someone to debate.
Don't take any of this personally - but some of the views you are contributing here provide me with an opportunity to argue the opinions of MANY people on BL.
You represent quite a few young users of MDMA. And cannabis.
And its time that all of you recognize your own 'propaganda'.
Listen to the scientists, and listen to me.
We don't just make this shit up.
I'm done.
If you wish to continue this debate privately I am fine with that.
If you want to do it here, I will revisit the thread in a few days.
Until next time...
I have made some more space in my inbox.
I suppose you are trying to prevent an extended argument in ED forum?
You would not be the first person to argue with me.
And you won't be the last.
The truth is, I really don't have any issues with you. Nor do I disagree with all that you say.
But I DO have a big problem with people posting in threads started by victims of MDMA in an attempt to minimize the consequences or confuse the direction of blame.
This is a sign of addiction - defending a drug that is known to be toxic to perpetuate your own use/abuse.
MDMA has enough defenders. Why do they even need to join threads like this?
I have a bigger issue when it is a 'moderator' participating in this immature behavior, regardless of where they moderate.
How often do you roll, Mr. Etarded?
If you think you have actually succeeded in 'debunking' the studies I referred to in the other thread, you have deluded yourself.
Simply posting an argument is all you have done.
And your argument is fairly weak, when compared to the thoughtful and detailed opinions I presented.
The few references I threw onto that page are a VERY small sample of what is available.
The opinions I present so strongly are based upon reading hundreds of studies and trying to look at the bigger picture.
How about you?
Questions about the purity of MDMA used by humans is a valid concern, but using this defense is NOT adequate to dismiss the findings of THOUSANDS of studies.
For example, even if some people on BL were the victim of piperazines, this does not eliminate the fact that MDMA is a potent neurotoxin with the potential to cause a long-term reorganization of our most intricate neurotransmitter system.
So why do SO many people simply ignore the STRONG assertions made by some researchers, as if ALL data is corrupted?
It appears that marijuana is more than just a 'confounding' factor - it is an additional complication.
It also appears that length and extent of cannabis use is relevant.
Another factor could be age.
I remember reading a book last year that reviewed several long-term studies on human cannabis use.
While the levels of serotonin were not at issue, cognitive abilities were.
One of the findings was that quitting would allow recovery of short-term memory depending on the length of use.
For those that were new to marijuana, cognitive abilities returned quickly.
Smokers that had ten years of use often took up to a year to return to control levels.
The oldest group, with 30 years of use, failed to show full recovery even after many years of abstinence.
Now, it would be easy to label this 'anti-marijuana propaganda' and hit post.
You might even claim to have won the argument.
You could say that people who have smoked for 30 years are likely in their 50s and are subject to cognitive decline already.
This must not be a 'peer-reviewed' study! It doesn't live up to my stringent requirements!
All findings are dismissed...
Wait a minute - regardless of the study, whether on marijuana's or MDMA's long-term effects, we have to ask ourselves what relevance does this yield?
We cannot insist on perfect measures and absolute findings - this is an IDEAL that science seeks, but rarely attains.
The wiser choice - the more mature choice, is to extract something from the findings and consider what role it plays in the bigger picture.
Does this study mean that marijuana is 'evil' and extremely harmful?
Of course not - that would be propaganda.
It DOES mean that marijuana damages/changes pathways in our brains, and this effect (just as with ALL drugs) is dose and time-dependent.
The longer you use it, the greater the aggregate effect on your mind.
Labeling it an 'anti-depressant' is inappropriate in the first place - how often do you use your anti-depressant?
What anti-depressant exists that should be used DAILY?
Hmm...
Have some more 'propaganda' - did you know that cannabis interferes with REM sleep?
The brain normally enters a period of alpha brain waves during our deepest sleep.
When awake, this pattern often involves our very survival.
It looks like our brains are practicing scenarios during our dreams...trying to process information or prepare for future events.
Dreams can be very intense - and they are described as MORE intense for recent marijuana users.
Many people who quit smoking say that their dreams become more vivid and more frequent after stopping.
I know this was the case for me MANY times over the years.
There is even a condition labeled 'cannabis withdrawal'.
Amusing...I know.
Compared to other types of withdrawal, it seems irrelevant.
But some doctors have illustrated severe emotional responses in recent users, often rivaling cigarette withdrawal.
Along with their changes in behavior, they have seen high levels of glutamate in their brains.
THC increases GABA in your brain, which has an inhibitory effect upon neurons...hence the sedating effects of benzos and alchohol.
When the THC is withdrawn, the number of GABA receptors is too great for the available supply, and this inhibition is reversed.
A strong surge of glutamate, an excitatory neurotransmitter, is released.
Glutamate can be TOXIC to brain cells - in fact it may be one of the tools used by our glial cells to sever connections between neurons.
Have you ever felt the effects of post-THC rage?
I have, and I have seen others go through it as well - but only long-term smokers.
It normally takes SO long to kick in, that many people simply don't 'connect the dots'.
Somewhere around one week, maybe longer, it begins.
It can last through the second week, but i takes up to a month for THC levels to fall below detection.
What is causing this glutamate surge and increased dream activity?
Well, I know another thing that causes glutamate toxicity - stimulant withdrawal.
Stimulants typically influence dopamine directly.
MDMA has such effects, but its influence on serotonin actually causes a targeted release of dopamine down the same pathway that traditional stimulants do. It is the interaction between serotonin and dopamine in our higher brain regions that makes the magic happen - i.e. the neuro-endocrine response.
GABA and glutamate aside...
It may be that cannabis causes a dopamine imbalance in regular users through its effects on serotonin, and it can certainly influence the level of dopamine imbalance seen in stimulant users.
Lets review some of my assertions...
Canabidiol, a constituent of cannabis, has weak affinity for serotonin receptors.
Withdrawal from regular cannabis use can cause high glutamate activity and severe emotional distress.
Cognitive effects from cannabis can take many months or YEARS to reach undetectable levels in long-term users.
Prolactin response to MDMA or other serotonin agonists is LOWER in regular cannabis users.
Incidence of psychopathology post-MDMA use is HIGHER in regular cannabis users.
Even on its own, cannabis greatly increases the risk of schizophrenia (a severe dopamine imbalance) among certain users.
Am I still 'connecting the dots'?
Connecting the dots, young man, is EXACTLY what science is all about.
The only 'propaganda' present in this debate, lies on your side.
You are free to believe whatever you want about marijuana and serotonin.
So are all the readers of my posts.
Belief doesn't equal truth.
The truth, as it appears, is that marijuana is capable of much more than you chose to believe.
No, we do not have perfect studies with absolute findings. Not with cannabis, and not with MDMA.
We have a 'collection of data'.
Dots that need connecting.
Marijuana and MDMA are amazing buddies, aren't they?
I can't imagine EVER rolling without having something to smoke.
Ever think they go together so well because cannabis increases GABA and serotonin while rolling?
I wish I had known that smoking so regularly could influence the resiliency of my serotonin network!
If only someone had 'connected the dots' and told me...
You have been a smoker since age 12?
Damn. I didn't even START until 20.
Now you are 21 and you think you haven't damaged yourself yet...
Keep smoking daily until you are in you are my age (29).
Keep rolling, too.
Then come back and tell the next generation of teenagers and young-adult drug users on BL how well that worked out for you.
Newsflash - being young is an advantage.
MANY young people think themselves to be invincible.
They don't even realize that's what they are doing until they are looking backwards!
Everyone eventually starts to feel changes, both physical and cognitive, as they age.
I can't tell you how many people in their 30s and 40s I have seen reforming the way they live simply because of how they FEEL.
Only AFTER they are sick, on breathing assistance, and losing teeth do they begin to consider cigarettes a thing of the past.
Only AFTER their brain volume has shrunk and their livers are compromised, do alcoholics wish they had chosen differently.
If we discuss stimulants or other drugs, the progression normally doesn't take a lifetime to set in - permanently.
How many old hippies have you met?
I know quite a few, and some are normal-ish.
I know a man who is a successful RN, making over 100k per year.
He is 50 years old - and he still struggles to read text on a computer screen due to his use of LSD in the 70s.
And he would simply say that the consequences are a 'part of life'.
He might even agree that 'its in your head'...
I know another who isn't so successful - a friend's mom who is the same age and makes very little.
She also did LSD many times when she was younger, and now she is an alcoholic.
I do not KNOW another human being as absent-minded as she is.
Psychedelic drugs change people.
Some of them adapt well and may go on to describe the changes as tolerable.
Other people are more affected, and may even chose to continue drug/alcohol use for a long time.
The point is - we ALL age.
And we only have ONE brain.
While it is resilient it is NOT impervious.
Your brain is capable of re-wiring itself, but not without sacrifice.
And this sacrifice is NOT always evident at the age of 21.
Even the older members of BL that would argue my strong posts, would have to agree that the effects of MDMA - however tolerable - are accruing with age.
I am adding a strong argument that regular smoking of weed INCREASES the changes that are accruing with age in MDMA users.
You simply cannot know, yet, what you are doing to your mind.
My loudest advice, if you look through most of my posts, is to CONTROL DOSAGE.
This ONE factor has more influence upon toxicity than ANY other.
Repeated doses of MDMA causes greater and greater 'alterations' to the serotonin system.
Now I am adding another loud opinion - DON'T BE A POTHEAD.
And I had to argue with you to get it out there.
I am not trying to be condescending without purpose.
And I am glad to have someone to debate.
Don't take any of this personally - but some of the views you are contributing here provide me with an opportunity to argue the opinions of MANY people on BL.
You represent quite a few young users of MDMA. And cannabis.
And its time that all of you recognize your own 'propaganda'.
Listen to the scientists, and listen to me.
We don't just make this shit up.
I'm done.
If you wish to continue this debate privately I am fine with that.
If you want to do it here, I will revisit the thread in a few days.
Until next time...
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I stopped smoking pot today, and im actaully strarting to feel better
I notcited it affecting my recvoevery as well.
Now its off to the gym and farmers market! Oh one more thing, i dont really want to roll again, as ive had enough experences.
I was wondering if maybe in a couple years try lsd again, or would that mess up the SERT all over agan ?
I notcited it affecting my recvoevery as well.
Now its off to the gym and farmers market! Oh one more thing, i dont really want to roll again, as ive had enough experences.
I was wondering if maybe in a couple years try lsd again, or would that mess up the SERT all over agan ?
Renz Envy
Bluelighter
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- Messages
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I would say take a few weeks to a month sober, if you're having flashbacks. However if you're an extremely positive person, I would find that taking LSD might help you solve your problem.