PsyTrance Discussion and Stuff ver. III

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and you are right, GOOD darkpsy is hard to write.
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I totally agree; while I said its easy to write, that doesn't mean I write it well. I just don't like it all that much, and don't find it 'challenging'.

But I am going to have a proper try at writing something relly complex and seeing if it works....:)
 
I've heard some of swilow's stuff. Granted, wasn't Darkpsy, but it's still fugging good.
 
"We"- can you not speak for yourself?
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I was refering to we as in me and my friend who write night time psy together.

I have been to darkpsy parties mate, cheers for the arrogance
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sorry about that post, it was pretty arrogant to be fair! But I got pretty offended seeing as you were basically insulting my life!

Yes it does. If trance wasn't quantified, by adhering to time constraints such as 1/16 or 1/64 (I am not talking about digital quanitsation for CD/other format), then it would sound ridiculous. Thus everything is snap on time, extremely quantised. The only reason I know this is because I studied sound engineering for two years.
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this still doesnt make sense. lots of leads and automation are played in by hand on midi keyboards or other hardware items in order to give a more organic and less constrained feel.

anyway, Think I better leave this. Sorry I got so annoyed! But I literally live for dark psy and so you kinda insulted me and everything about me. I shall take the advice of most dark psy djs/artists in future and just ignore posts like that.

Peace and Respect (sorry again)
 
swilow said:
But I am going to have a proper try at writing something relly complex and seeing if it works....:)
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(In a non arrogant way) Cool, let me know how you get on, Id be interested to hear the results.
 
also I would just like to add at the same time as another sorry that my post was no more arrogant than yours, and as often happens on forums we are probably pretty similar but just with different passions. Think that is the key word here, passion, I didnt intend to sound arrogant at all and am pretty embarrassed now! sorry! was just being very passionate. Thats it for my part.

Peace
 
I did a quick thread search and couldn't find a mention of Save the Robot. A lot 'heavier' than the psy stuff I usually listen to (never goes broader than Shpongle/Ott) but really immersing. That's about all I have to say on psytrance, but if I was right and it was a missing link then I have a feeling there's treats in store for those into this kind of stuff =).
 
Something from a project of mine, together with a friend and fellow DJ, called Unlimited Addition. This is one of our tracks, of which we really can't think of anything else that sounds like it.

Very night-time psychedelic, but with some truly twisted melody. Would rather post it here than the Productions thread.

Enjoy

Unlimited Addition - Operator

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8pmj3l
 
pokerface said:
I did a quick thread search and couldn't find a mention of Save the Robot. A lot 'heavier' than the psy stuff I usually listen to (never goes broader than Shpongle/Ott) but really immersing. That's about all I have to say on psytrance, but if I was right and it was a missing link then I have a feeling there's treats in store for those into this kind of stuff =).
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Save the Robot is probably far enough off in the pop direction that I think a lot here would be put off from it. I actually would describe this as being really light fluffed up sounding. What do you think of as "heavy" then?

I really don't like the electric guitar-laden psytrance, which is I think part of my bias against it. Its kind of a guilty until proven innocent thing with STR.
 
fizzacyst said:
Save the Robot is probably far enough off in the pop direction that I think a lot here would be put off from it. I actually would describe this as being really light fluffed up sounding. What do you think of as "heavy" then?

I really don't like the electric guitar-laden psytrance, which is I think part of my bias against it. Its kind of a guilty until proven innocent thing with STR.
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Like I mentioned, I never really dabble in the psy side of things, I just thought it should be put out there since it wasn't mentioned. I'd consider what I do listen to the 'pop' side in the literal sense of the term, sure, but I never figured I'd be put in my place as such =P.

Besides, I'm more of a downtempo kinda guy. I'll see you in that thread, then I'll throw my weight around =).
 
cuboidatom said:
also I would just like to add at the same time as another sorry that my post was no more arrogant than yours, and as often happens on forums we are probably pretty similar but just with different passions. Think that is the key word here, passion, I didnt intend to sound arrogant at all and am pretty embarrassed now! sorry! was just being very passionate. Thats it for my part.

Peace
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Yeah peace bro, I was pretty rude myself.

Take care <3
 
That Opus Iridium double CD is fucking great. I especially love the track by Shakta and one by Artifakt303....the chill out disk is great too. Expect a goa-style track from me shotly maybe.

Dalfir, that is one good trance song. I need to have a few more listens before making any suggestions; but it has sweet production, nice bass ad kick merging....One immediate thought is that its slightly too slow. Maybe hit it at 150 or slightly up. Then again, I've been listening to lotsa thrash/punk/black/death metal recently, so perhaps my ears are too slow...Also one thing I remembered, theres a mad section around 2mins where theres a slashy-saw noise in the right speaker, and a different tone in the left. That bits mad :):)
 
I like what I've heard from cuboidatom - definitely not "easy" music to make.

On another note, who's coming to Boom this year?
 
Thanks swilow! Its a 146 track, but we'll probably pitch it up when we play it live. Our first set is in September. Very amped!

We were going for a very, very psychedelic sound with hints of melody.
 
^Awesome.

Hmm, I think i'll live to regret calling darkpsy 'easy to make' :( I think what I meant was 'unchallenging', but in truth, I've never really got the genre as a whole. Darkpsy- at least the sounds- are not, IMO, psychedelic. Their more industrial, frightening/clangorous, sharp or too twisted for me to handle when I'm tripping...which is how I judge psychedelic music. On that note, i never listen to trance when I'm on drugs unless I'm at a doof (weed doesn't count here). Like I said, I just don't get the genre; I can't follow the tracks that well.

Artists like Electrpnose, Kindzadza, Baphomet Engine, Acid Goblins, Neurotika- are great- not psychedlic as I would see it, but mindblowingly complex and intricate and very trance inducing.

I've written about 1.20mins of a darker tracks; the intro alone took me a day, on/off, to get happening. Hopefully its good though....

Oh yeah, dalfir, I listened to the trak you PMed me, I'll PM back a full response after listening a bit more- but one thing I noticed is the kick is too dominant; not oo loud, but too dominaant and hard sounding....maybe make a different kick (or choose a different sample, whichever you do) with the click portion at a lower freq. One can do this with a LP filter, at -12dB slope, with a bit of resonance. If you try to tune the resonance to match the bass note (do you tune your drums as such?)....also you need the Wizard of Oz sample of the witch screaming "I'm melting" I believe! :):)

One more thing- it sounds fucking awesome, the best I've heard from you man. I want more!

Guys, check out Dalfirs tunes if you getta chance, excellent stuff.
 
I think people must differ a lot in their perception of "psychedelic". I know for me that nothing is more psychedelic than something "mindblowingly complex and intricate and very trance inducing". Compared to the melodies of full-on and the swooshing organic sounds of a lot of prog, I find the harder more layered a complicated artists much much more psychedelic. It reminds me a lot of the headfuckness of acid trips. Full-on and prog usually snaps me out of my psychedelic trance with cheesy sections or dull sounds.

But, like I say, that's just me.
 
Dalfir said:
Something from a project of mine, together with a friend and fellow DJ, called Unlimited Addition. This is one of our tracks, of which we really can't think of anything else that sounds like it.

Very night-time psychedelic, but with some truly twisted melody. Would rather post it here than the Productions thread.

Enjoy

Unlimited Addition - Operator

http://www.sendspace.com/file/8pmj3l
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yeah dude, this track is pretty tight.

got any more?
 
Dalfir said:
Thanks swilow! Its a 146 track, but we'll probably pitch it up when we play it live. Our first set is in September. Very amped!

We were going for a very, very psychedelic sound with hints of melody.
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where are you playing?

i enjoyed your track.

alasdair
 
turkeyphant said:
I think people must differ a lot in their perception of "psychedelic". I know for me that nothing is more psychedelic than something "mindblowingly complex and intricate and very trance inducing". Compared to the melodies of full-on and the swooshing organic sounds of a lot of prog, I find the harder more layered a complicated artists much much more psychedelic. It reminds me a lot of the headfuckness of acid trips. Full-on and prog usually snaps me out of my psychedelic trance with cheesy sections or dull sounds.

But, like I say, that's just me.
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Thats what I really like about that type of music... I can easily fall into a sort of trance just chilling listening to the stuff (no drugs!). A lot of what is coming out now feels a bit repetitive after a while though. I really like the dark rumbly stuff... just think it needs a bit of a shot in the arm of other styles every now and again to keep it fresh.
 
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