PsyTrance Discussion and Stuff ver. III

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Good weed + Scorb - Ipso Fvcto + milkdrop 2.0 = is amazing. So twisted, I've been in a trance for the last half hour.
 
StarOceanHouse said:
is it just me or is dark psytrance extremely repetitive and boring? I was listening to Goa Gil - Worldbridger and I did not like it at all. All the tracks sounded the same to me, except with slight changes.
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Is Goa Gil really dark psy? The badly produced stuff sounds pretty samey, but the good stuff (I'm loving Free Radical Records right now) is more psychedelic and dynamic than anything else.

Don Luigi said:
Does anyone have a link to any uploaded Entheogenic? It would be much appreciated if you did as I can only find one song and it isn't the easiest thing to find in the shops around here.
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Just buy the albums online. There's not many brick and mortar trance vendors anywhere...
 
Mubali, Fractal Cowboys, Onnomon, Quasar, Bodhisattva 13:20 all produce some pretty heady darkpsy. They are all US artists, and their recent stuff is pretty much what the current US darkpsy sound is like, at least around here. There collabs are good too, and they all do a ton of them.

I'm starting to really dig some of the newer psybreaks stuff coming out from here as well... Mr. Rogers and Tomfoolery specifically. The former is slower and super funky. The latter is more of a 'psy meets dirty south breaks' type thing. check 'em out.

I dunno about the suomi there swilow....

Some of it is extremely funkified...and I really dig the more glitched out stuff (a little glitchiness goes well with everything to me)... but some like Texas Faggot is just nails on a chalkboard to me.
 
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StarOceanHouse said:
I'll take cuboidatom's advice and give Worldbringer another chance this weekend. ;)
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cool man, let me know how you get on. They don't design it for tripping for no reason ;)
 
cuboidatom said:
seriously, if you think dark isnt music listen to worldbridger whilst tripping at home, preferably mushrooms! and its definitely not possible to say that dark or full-on is easier to create, it is totally dependent on the artists your talking about and a load of other variables such as skill level of person trying to recreate dark or full-on and the originality of their music or whether its just copied. I'd say mostly theyre as difficult as each other, shit full-on is easy, shit dark is easy, technical full-on hard, technical dark hard etc.

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Well, I said I like that album, Worlbridger- just darkpsy isn't all that great in general. It is possible to say that darkpsy is easier to create, simply because I've 'created' it (probably shit though so....) and it was easy enough. Full-on psy is easy to make simply because there is a set formula that can be followed...darkpsy is mainly just noises that sound cool, and because of the extreme quanitsation of the music, forms intricate tight patterns. But, that said, its not hard to make.

As to suomi, I think Texas Faggot are awesome personally. Squaremeat, Lemon Slide, EvsY, Haltya- really groovy, dance music. I am just fed up with psychedelic trance that isn't psychedelic, as far as I can see. Ugly noises aren' trippy, they are just jarring and ugly, whereas quirky, groovy tones are, in my opinion at least.

I dunno, i'm pretty fed up with psy; literally every song sounds the same. Once you get to the roots of it, there is so little variation in the music these days that its just plain bland. The only time I truly enjoy it, and in retrospect ever really have, is live and loud. But to listen to and chil out and enjoy the music- it just doesn't happen. Thats why I like Infected Mushroom and suomi, at least these guys try to innovate on the basic substrate. IM, of course, get caned ort, but I think their music is a whole lot better then anything off worldbridger, for example. Its not psychedelic, in the way I think of that word; buts its great dance music.
 
goa gil... is a toss bag.

at the recent sydney gig he pissed off so many people with his superstar attitude (he's meant to be this shanti mofo right?) they were going to purposely blow the sound system so he would leave and the crew could go home

think about that - psy heads wanting to blow a sound system up? when does that ever happen?


swillow - most psy does sound similar - i been saying that since 2001 when 3d vision released 'program change'; people get infected with the outdoor party scene and only really have psy trance as thier main listening stock. Rather than bring in previous influences (like what happened when goa was born - it was a meld of everyones previous influences mixed with inspiration from each other, thats how it sounded so different and varied from track to track) most "new wave" psy artsts have grown up on psy - its gone inbred. thats why artists like "principles of flight" or "Artax" make you go "holy fuck" - so many other influences brought into the mix, its different and has a soul, not just that fucking 16th note bassline and some presets triggered by bouncing a tennis ball on the keyboard.


The signal to noise ratio has been inverted - and i would say techno is sounding far more psychedelic than psy trance these days.
 
I like a lot of suomi, actually. I just think that they try to push it in the goofy direction and overdo it about half the time (same as the dark psy being so "dark" thats its a rumbling scratchy noise).

It does feel like mainstream psy has stagnated a bit. There is a lot of progressive psy coming out that I like, though. Current psybreaks are what I'm really getting into at the moment... it seems a lot easier to constantly keep a set changing on so many levels, rather than just squeeeaallch.. DOOF DOOFDOOFDOOFDOOF.

I do like that stuff too though, just way late in the night and not for the length of the whole party. its pretty hypnotic to me.
 
i don't care what goa gil's opinion of himself is. that guy can't - in my humble opinion - mix for shit. 18 hour set? big deal...

alasdair
 
There's a Psy party every day of the week here except for Mondays and police attention is starting to become more noticeable. :/ All these wannabe organiser's jumping on the bandwagon is going to ruin everything.
 
swilow said:
Well, I said I like that album, Worlbridger- just darkpsy isn't all that great in general. It is possible to say that darkpsy is easier to create, simply because I've 'created' it (probably shit though so....) and it was easy enough. Full-on psy is easy to make simply because there is a set formula that can be followed...darkpsy is mainly just noises that sound cool, and because of the extreme quanitsation of the music, forms intricate tight patterns. But, that said, its not hard to make.
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So just because youve made darkpsy and found it easy therefore its easy to make? At least take what im saying rather than be ignorant! no wonder you dont like dark if you're so ignorant about unfamiliar ideas/concepts.
We create dark as well, and it's not as easy as it first appears, as I said it takes a while analysing it to fully understand it, its so complex, but on a dancefloor you just feel it without having to listen. Have you ever even been to a party playing proper dark?? Im guessing you havent, and on top of that, it sounds like you are really ignorant and dismissive when listening to dark. So maybe you shouldnt come on here act like the leadning authority and know it all guru on the subject of dark psytrance.

"Noises that sound cool" - yes, this is what is good about it! Noises that are breathtaking whilst tripping.

"extreme quantisation" - Do you even know what quantisation is because that doesnt make sense.

"intricate tight patterns" - yes thats what we like, shimmering fractals and organic sounding leads that come alive.

"But, that said, its not hard to make" - Let's hear some of your music then dude.

Good Darkpsy is hard to make, as hard as good full-on, as hard as any good music for that matter.

Fair enough though, if what you're trying to say is that there is a lot of shit darkpsy about then I agree. A lot of it is pretty simple.

goa gil... is a toss bag.

at the recent sydney gig he pissed off so many people with his superstar attitude (he's meant to be this shanti mofo right?) they were going to purposely blow the sound system so he would leave and the crew could go home
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fair enough yeah I have heard he is a bit of a dickhead. I still really like the mix worldbridger though, and its not because Goa Gil mixed it or anything, just because the artists are so sick, some of my favourite. Its annoying how many big artists and djs have become corrupted, its ruining the vibe of the scene.

Rather than bring in previous influences (like what happened when goa was born - it was a meld of everyones previous influences mixed with inspiration from each other, thats how it sounded so different and varied from track to track) most "new wave" psy artsts have grown up on psy - its gone inbred. thats why artists like "principles of flight" or "Artax" make you go "holy fuck" - so many other influences brought into the mix, its different and has a soul, not just that fucking 16th note bassline and some presets triggered by bouncing a tennis ball on the keyboard.
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I also agree with this, psytrance is inbred! I still love it though.

^Agreed. He doesn't mix, just cuts in tracks rather randomly.
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Thats because he mixes on DATs and therefore cant beatmatch! which means he has to have tight as track selection in order for it to flow without mixing. ;)
 
cuboidatom said:
So just because youve made darkpsy and found it easy therefore its easy to make? At least take what im saying rather than be ignorant! no wonder you dont like dark if you're so ignorant about unfamiliar ideas/concepts.
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Whatever bro. Its my opinion; your is yours. Great post. :|

We create dark as well, and it's not as easy as it first appears, as I said it takes a while analysing it to fully understand it, its so complex, but on a dancefloor you just feel it without having to listen. Have you ever even been to a party playing proper dark?? Im guessing you havent, and on top of that, it sounds like you are really ignorant and dismissive when listening to dark. So maybe you shouldnt come on here act like the leadning authority and know it all guru on the subject of dark psytrance.
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But-but-but your acting like that, not me. Look at what you wrote. I'm stating my opinion about something; your stating what you think is fact. I'm not the guru, I am merely someone who has made shitloads of psytrance of a lot of styles. I find darkpsy unchallenging, mainly because I personally don't appreciate it. Thats an opinion, and as its mine, its right- to me.

I have been to darkpsy parties mate, cheers for the arrogance :\ You know, going to psytrance parties isn't cool in itself....just saying.

"extreme quantisation" - Do you even know what quantisation is because that doesnt make sense.
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Yes it does. If trance wasn't quantified, by adhering to time constraints such as 1/16 or 1/64 (I am not talking about digital quanitsation for CD/other format), then it would sound ridiculous. Thus everything is snap on time, extremely quantised. The only reason I know this is because I studied sound engineering for two years.

"intricate tight patterns" - yes thats what we like, shimmering fractals and organic sounding leads that come alive.
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"We"- can you not speak for yourself? Anyway, fractals aren't used in psy trance music; plus organic is not the right word for digital music, in my opinion.

"But, that said, its not hard to make" - Let's hear some of your music then dude.
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No, I won't. I don't know why your taking my view on DARK PSY TRANCE personally; but I'm not going to try and prove anything to such as you. Your the reason I think psytrance is lame. Unoriginal sheep who won't think for themselves and make the same music over and over again.

Good Darkpsy is hard to make, as hard as good full-on, as hard as any good music for that matter.
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Yeah, I don't agree with you opinion. But thats life.

Fair enough though, if what you're trying to say is that there is a lot of shit darkpsy about then I agree. A lot of it is pretty simple.
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What? Okay.


Thats because he mixes on DATs and therefore cant beatmatch! which means he has to have tight as track selection in order for it to flow without mixing. ;)
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Good for Gil.

You know dude, arrrogance like yours is exactly what is dull about psytrance. You know, its not an ideology or political view- its a music style. Nothing groundbreaking either.
 
swilow said:
Fizzacsyt, can you reccommend any psybreaksy artists?
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Well, sort of. Check out "Mr. Rogers", for some funkier stuff.

Here's one, Tomfoolery. The myspace page, like all others, is beyond an eyesore, but there is a little embedded applet that you can use to listen to some of his work. I like it.

A lot of the stuff I come across at random, or by skimming through shitloads of progressive psy albums or compilations, which frequently have like 1, maybe 2 breaks tracks on them. I don't know of that many people that stick to the psybreaks and not much else.
 
cuboidatom said:
Thats because he mixes on DATs and therefore cant beatmatch! which means he has to have tight as track selection in order for it to flow without mixing. ;)
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in 1996 i helped put a party on in sydney which had Steve Ronan play. off dats. beatmatching. flowing perfectly. 12 years ago. It can be done, unless you're a lazy cunt who thinks he doesn't need to.

and you are right, GOOD darkpsy is hard to write. I really dont like dark psy but artists like Gappeq just blow me away. A friend of mine runs illuminati records and i must say its only because of him and his label that i give darkpsy any time - his artists actually program the percussion to be more than "hats on 2, snares on 4, shit hatlike sound on every note", and they crete atmosphere (im a tech trance head, i love my ethereal atmosphere :))
 
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