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PSYCHONAUTS vs DRUGGIES

All druggies are psychonauts, even if they don't intend to be...
First of all, both words are just terms to describe users of illicit substances, nothing more. A psychonaut isn't some super advanced navigator of the terrain of his psyche anymore than the next person. And a druggie isn't some degenarate vehicle of depravity always looking for an angry fix. It's just another bullshit issue surronding semantics.
And, in my opinion, all the so called "psychonauts" out there sitting on thier thrones of pretentiousness, claming to be better than others, only prove more so that drugs do indeed ruin people, and turn many into egotistical idiots along the way.
Brainrape
PS- The one thing working at a head shop really taught me was that there are SO many different types of drug users out there, using drugs for so many different reasons, it would be pointless to even try to classify them, or to even try to stop them...
 
Its the same old rule.
All psychonauts are druggies, but not all druggies are psychonauts.
;)
 
The only real difference I see between the two terms is the connotation each word carries.
A different attitude is implied by each word. To call yourself a druggie is to call yourself by a pejorative that carries the weight of years of prohibitionist prejudices.
Calling yourself a psychonaut doesn't mean you're better than someone who calls themselves a druggie. It means you don't want to refer to yourself by a negative term, because you don't see anything negative in what you're doing. It's the difference in calling yourself a "telephone sales rep" or a "telemarketing scumbag." Some people don't mind the negative connotation, and even enjoy it. Others choose to refer to themselves by labels that reflect a more positive approach.
But they're just labels. No big deal.
 
Wouldn't it be great if we lived in a society where drug use was like any other way of spending ones time and people could be judged on their individual merit?
Some people gamble for kicks, some people gamble because they have a deep psychological problem...
Some people go to Church because it fulfills a spiritual need, others go because it makes them feel better than other people or because it seems like something they have to do, and for a few it becomes something that takes over their lives until they are banging on my door with their bloody magazine wanting to come in and talk for a while...
We all use drugs for a combination of reasons and in a combination of circumstances. We can label ourselves however we want but only the individual can really make a decision about how they use drugs, how much they want to use them, and whether they are hurting themselves or others with their use. Outside of themselves and their relationships with other people, why they use drugs or how has no real significance.
To the uninformed non-drug using public, a psychonaut is not any better than the junkie living under the bridge, so does the label really matter so much?
What I try to do, when interacting with people who don't use drugs, is be the best person I can be. I'm kind and smart and enjoyable to be around, and I live a life I'm proud of. Then when the issues of drug use comes up my opinions on the subject carry much more weight than it would if I did fulfill their stereotypes. Its much more effective than whining about the reasons you use drugs to them, or sounding like some new-age freak rambling on about oneness with the universe.
Pure
 
ill settle this fucking matter once and for all.
PSYCHONAUT: a druggie with a computer.
 
PuristLove couldn't have explained it better. As long as it doesn't affect your life negatively, your drug use shouldn't be a problem. However, since drugs sort of hide the fact that you have a problem sometimes, it's hard to use that as a safeguard. Whether you do drugs to get messed up, for enlightenment, or just to have fun, you just have to act responsibly about it. And if you don't, you'll get screwed in the ass one way or another.
 
Its the same old rule.
All psychonauts are druggies, but not all druggies are psychonauts.
not bad...
I use psychadellics to mentally touch god. How about that?
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word to all those psychonauts out there. stupid people suck.
 
If somebody calls you a druggie, that demonstrates an ignorance about drug culture and a mind closed to anything outside of pointless generalizations. The fact that someone calling you a druggie upsets you exposes insecurities about yourself and your drug use.
 
meh this whole argument is moot. When you stop trying to label yourselves and you just are then maybe you'll see through the whole guise.
We all try to justify our means but in the end it doesnt really matter to anyone but our own egos.
I used to think I was a psychonaut but then I saw it take over and it finally hits you that its only you trying to tell yourself that youre not a druggie.
 
the simple solution would be to introduce a licensing process to qualify for psychonaut status.

an intro / basic license would be issued following a 3 year course and comletion of an exam covering biology, chemistry, neuropsuchopharmacology, psychology, emergency medical training, musical aesthetics, heavy instrument operational capabilities, chi / kundalini training, basic common sense, etc.

intermediate and advanced certification could follow.
 
THE WOOD said:
Ok, this is one of my alltime fav culture clashes.
I am a regular psychadelic user, and i loove psychadelics. I love life, i love people (at least people like me lol!), i love to love, im a generally peacefull and intelligent person.
I use a lot of "drugs". Some people, even big "druggies" get impressed at my tolerance for shit. But really, all i wanna do is explore my brain, explore my universe, to learn, to expierence, to explore my universe's reaction to my brain and my brain's reaction to the universe.
In my book, Knowledge = power, and love and friendship overrules hate and other forms of antisocial activity.
But i dont consider myself a druggie. I dont do drugs to "get fucked up" or for relief from reality (allthough that has its time and place). Im more of a psychonaut, an explorer of the universe without having to physically move my body. I am friends with pleanty of dopeheads, crackheads, cokeheads, alchaholics, you name it. But the way i think and the way ppl like that think is soooooooooooo different. I think this difference should be recognized!
I get really pissed off when ppl call me a druggie. There is such a stereotype that comes along with that word. It isnt me... but i use drugs. ANyone else get ideas like this?
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Whoa were like in different universes...wanna hang out sometime?
 
OperatesHeavyMachinery said:
The only real difference I see between the two terms is the connotation each word carries.
A different attitude is implied by each word. To call yourself a druggie is to call yourself by a pejorative that carries the weight of years of prohibitionist prejudices.
Calling yourself a psychonaut doesn't mean you're better than someone who calls themselves a druggie. It means you don't want to refer to yourself by a negative term, because you don't see anything negative in what you're doing. It's the difference in calling yourself a "telephone sales rep" or a "telemarketing scumbag." Some people don't mind the negative connotation, and even enjoy it. Others choose to refer to themselves by labels that reflect a more positive approach.
But they're just labels. No big deal.
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I like this.

Anyway, I am a telemarketer, or as they tell me a "Philanthropic Marketing Specialist" when I call alumni of my uni asking for donations. When I first got into tripping, I considered myself somewhat of an aspiring druggie. I was raised in a terribly overprotective situation, and was scared to go balls out, but as I got more and more into using, I decided fucking with my mind by tripping would be fine. Heck, all my boyz wuz doin' that shiz!

What happened was actually quite amazing. After a few just fun times on psychedelics, I got baby-powder-bitchslapped by just the right amount (too much for my friend who didn't get the message and ended up in rehab) of 5MeO-DiPT. This trip started a chain of events where my delusions about myself slowly got stripped away. The real challenging part was a time when I nearly died after consuming 80mg of AMT on a 2 days-empty stomach with a relatively more expierienced user. I felt like each and every comment he made was mocking my existence, and though this experience took me probably more than a year to fully integrate, it's because my delusions were so fucking deep that it really took that long to undo and rewrite my mind.

Since that day in August 2003, I've been making progress towards becoming more of a psychonaut and less of a druggie. I haven't done stimulants or opiates or really anything other than lots of psychedelics and ganja with a few drinks here and there since June 2k4. Not to say that these drugs aren't useful or nothing, cos it was a bout of cocaine psychosis that brought about this change, but um, I feel like I'm more about exploring my mind to see what I want to keep or change versus taking a substance to get fucked up.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with taking drugs to get fucked up, it just so happened that I was also in a state of high cognitive dissonance when I used to do that, so it seems like now that I want to be clear about things, I also want my body to be healthier, since my brain is the source of my mind (please, no philosophical arguments :p ).

For me, I'm no longer a druggie since I don't identify myself as one of those kids who'd never turn down a snort of whatever powder is on the mirror just to maintain that preconception of who I am. Therefore, I see my "psychonaut" stage as healthier and most importantly MORE DYNAMIC than my "druggie" stage that saw me putting whatever I could into my body because I thought it was super cool that Nikki Sixx had died and ended up doing more heroin the next day.
 
One thing I've noticed is that phychedelic drugs have different effects on people, some people can't handle it, but other people are fine with it and enjoy it ?

Whenever I trip I always learn something new about myself or the universe, it just makes me want to learn more in what seems like reading an infinite book of knowledge. =\ lol

But I've being known as the "drug kid" among some people, but sadly that brings along all the sterotype nonsense. But me saying "I like to explore other worlds, it's really interesting!!!" only makes them say "man, get off the drugs".

I think I'm saying people who aren't educated about this don't know the difference.

All psychonauts are druggies, but not all druggies are psychonauts.

^^ is true !
 
THE WOOD said:
I dont do drugs to "get fucked up" or for relief from reality (allthough that has its time and place). Im more of a psychonaut, an explorer of the universe without having to physically move my body. I am friends with pleanty of dopeheads, crackheads, cokeheads, alchaholics, you name it. But the way i think and the way ppl like that think is soooooooooooo different. I think this difference should be recognized!
I get really pissed off when ppl call me a druggie. There is such a stereotype that comes along with that word. It isnt me... but i use drugs. ANyone else get ideas like this?
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you'r in denial & you'r not better than every one else...

jonah_222 said:
ill settle this fucking matter once and for all.
PSYCHONAUT: a druggie with a computer.
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LOL! true...
 
pfft psychonauts, sounds like PC bullshit

be proud to be a druggie, labelling yourself a 'psychonaut' is how they win.
 
hey, as long as you know your shit it dont matter weather your a psychonaut or a druggie(excluding main liners and dust bunnies) you can be an intellectual....its your decision what you want so long as you know you can maintain the intellectual mind state ......i've been smoking weed since 8.....popin painkillers every now and then since 12 and doing shrooms since 10 and my mind state is right where i want it to be ....i may not be the sharpest tool in the shed when is comes to math but weed and shrooms bring out the logic and intellect in me......all i ever really do is research on various things on the net and read ......hell i went to school shroomed out my whole 9th grade year and passed......although i mispelled a lot of things in english...lmao

my label......pothead/psychonaut..........fuck drugs....i'll never ever touch coke heroin or meth
 
I dont think i could consider myself a psychonaut, certainly not, I smoke far too much weed to pretend that im doing it to "explore the universe without ever moving.", however, i understand that there is a need for moderation and caution while using certain substances. Now, on the other hand, I'm also not saying that I have no interest in the psychonaut approach, but there is certainly a place for all kinds of drug use, recreational and exploritory, as long as it is done in a responsible manor.

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