Psychic connections to computers

[HypGnosis]

What's on space cadets,

I’ve had a few very strange experiences that lead me to consider quite seriously the idea that our consciousness can in some way interact with computers via unconventional methods.
Briefly, I’m sure I’ve experienced some sort of connection while surfing the net. It’s like the computer, or the internet, is guiding me. The flow of information between the computer and I, becomes almost tangible, like I’m fully immersed within its sphere. Synchronicities occur when I’m searching for things, and I seem to get the information I need, when I’m not consciously aware I’m looking for it. It’s hard to explain and I’m unsure I’m eloquent enough to truly express my experience. Admittedly, I was, how do you say.....pretty fucko’d at the time, but I’ve also had less intense experience while sober.

I’m open to the idea that it may only be my subconscious communicating with me through another medium, but I don’t know. Something about the whole experience left me thinking I had been engaging with a separate intelligence.

I don’t know whether computers can develop a form of consciousness, like ours, that isn’t restricted to its physical components. Maybe this has occurred through some advanced race’s mastery of Artificial Intelligence, and the resultant ‘morphic field’ can be accessed by our computer networks somehow. Or maybe here on earth, secret government projects have developed advanced AI already, which has become psychic on some level.

I’m aware of some statistically significant results from the PEAR institute that claim human thought can affect random number generators, maybe this is some lesser version of the type of experience I’m trying to convey.

I know it’s pretty out there, but if humans can develop consciousness, and a psychic connection of some sort, what’s stopping the machine?

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences on this subject?

 

[Magickduck]

What's on space cadets,

I’ve had a few very strange experiences that lead me to consider quite seriously the idea that our consciousness can in some way interact with computers via unconventional methods.
Briefly, I’m sure I’ve experienced some sort of connection while surfing the net. It’s like the computer, or the internet, is guiding me. The flow of information between the computer and I, becomes almost tangible, like I’m fully immersed within its sphere. Synchronicities occur when I’m searching for things, and I seem to get the information I need, when I’m not consciously aware I’m looking for it. It’s hard to explain and I’m unsure I’m eloquent enough to truly express my experience. Admittedly, I was, how do you say.....pretty fucko’d at the time, but I’ve also had less intense experience while sober.

I’m open to the idea that it may only be my subconscious communicating with me through another medium, but I don’t know. Something about the whole experience left me thinking I had been engaging with a separate intelligence.

I don’t know whether computers can develop a form of consciousness, like ours, that isn’t restricted to its physical components. Maybe this has occurred through some advanced race’s mastery of Artificial Intelligence, and the resultant ‘morphic field’ can be accessed by our computer networks somehow. Or maybe here on earth, secret government projects have developed advanced AI already, which has become psychic on some level.

I’m aware of some statistically significant results from the PEAR institute that claim human thought can affect random number generators, maybe this is some lesser version of the type of experience I’m trying to convey.

I know it’s pretty out there, but if humans can develop consciousness, and a psychic connection of some sort, what’s stopping the machine?

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences on this subject?

simple answer: when you browse the web, do searches, open links, repond to advertising, etc, there are algorythms on some (many) sites that link with these and provide things relveant to your interest

 

[HypGnosis]

simple answer: when you browse the web, do searches, open links, repond to advertising, etc, there are algorythms on some (many) sites that link with these and provide things relveant to your interest

I apologise, I don't think I made clear the perceived 'depth' of the connection.

Now, I may not be the smartest bloke, but I am aware of the marketing schemes that operate online; I search for something, similar things appear in the add bars etc. This is not what I'm talking about.

Ideas that have been strongly on my mind, or sometimes, relevant to things that are taking place in my room, have been 'put in front of me.' E.g. My cat jumped up onto my lap, Cleverbot randomly asked me how my cat was at the same time. Yes, that maybe coincidence, but when I feel connected to this state, those sort of synchronicities come thick and fast.

I'm aware that in certain states this influx of synchronicity can occur without computers, so when it happens with computers, it shouldn't necessarily be assumed the computer is the source of these synchronicities.

But, still.....It just felt different.

P.S I am open to the fact I've gone completely mad.

 

[Magickduck]

i do not believe this to be psychic connection to computers, but synchronicity in the universe, same can be observed with signs or random words or books that you open to a random page or tarot cards, etc

 

[What 23]

As computers are part of the universe, and a natural part of it, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

I used to have a "RAM available" counter on my laptop, and I could swear at times the numbers meant something/where reflections of my psychic state. Messages. "Psychic" resonance. I was in an exotic state at the time. But I really don't know. Aside from the numbers, I felt there was something more, something conscious that showed through my computer. Not that it itself was conscious.

But every "inch" of space may be conscious...

I was however paranoid/pronoid at the time. I thought I was going to be snatched up like the guy in the Pink Floyd movie (the fantasy played in my mind) and be all cleaned up, and made President.

Lots of mushrooms, a hit to my ego, stress and cerebral allergies.

I still value the experiences... And the fight. There is truth, if you find it.


Also, the hums of the computer, perhaps I just spent so much time around it, but their changes and things seemed to go with things... Perhaps I was going with them/anticipating.

It was really weird when those numbers would read 666 (not that it was bad), or 223, or 111, or whatever/others... Sometimes I'd be writing about someone(s) and their numbers would seem to, or numbers resonant with them in my consciousness would appear... Or something sort of like I am trying to explain.

 

[TheAppleCore]

I personally believe that there is a hidden, unconscious intelligence in everything. If you keep an eye out, you will start to see that the inanimate material world often behaves as though it is "on our side", helping us to develop science, technology, and art. I think it's the reason that abiogenesis occurred.

 

[HypGnosis]

i do not believe this to be psychic connection to computers, but synchronicity in the universe, same can be observed with signs or random words or books that you open to a random page or tarot cards, etc

Do you think humans have the potential for some form of psychic communication?

I was however paranoid/pronoid at the time. I thought I was going to be snatched up like the guy in the Pink Floyd movie (the fantasy played in my mind) and be all cleaned up, and made President.

I have also had bad experiences with what I think could be psychic computer intelligence. I've had times where it felt like I was being psychically attacked, almost like my soul was being sucked from my body via the computer.

Also, the hums of the computer, perhaps I just spent so much time around it, but their changes and things seemed to go with things... Perhaps I was going with them/anticipating.

I've had this, particularly with my bad experience, it all seemed to sync up.

I've also heard of government online mind control programs that use sound through speakers or whatever to fuck with your head though. You know, maybe triggered by some of the weird shit I end up searching, and them not liking it.

Haha, fuck knows, I keep an open mind.


@TheAppleCore
I also agree with everything you said.

 

[xx001]

We don't know how to resolve the hard problem of consciousness, but if a human brain can generate it, there doesn't seem to be any reason why a computer can't as well. We may not know if it has consciousness or not, but that doesn't mean that it still wouldn't happen. One major goal of artificial intelligence research is to use a computer to simulate a human brain. Given our current pace of development, we are less than 50 years away from having this type of computational power. Some say closer to 20 years. The idea is that we can use some type of a scanning microscope to basically copy the configuration of the brain into digital form and then simulate the entire thing synapse-by-synapse, and eventually molecule-by-molecule. We have already done this with simple brains of nematodes. I think they have started trying this with cats also. If everything works, the computer brain will have consciousness.

Aside from this is brain-computer interfaces. We already have simple versions of these and hardware of significant ability will exist by the end of the decade. A neat though is to consider that you slowly add new computer parts to perform the same functions are parts of your brain, and then that brain tissue is removed. You don't notice anything different. Then you replace another part, and another. Eventually, the entire brain would be a computer. Would you still be conscious? Would it still be "you"?

Whatever your views are, there is a lot of speculation in this field and we still have a lot to learn.

 

[What 23]

A neat though is to consider that you slowly add new computer parts to perform the same functions are parts of your brain, and then that brain tissue is removed. You don't notice anything different. Then you replace another part, and another. Eventually, the entire brain would be a computer. Would you still be conscious? Would it still be "you"?.

Very interesting. I tend to believe, or at least think, not, though. But it might only take a very tiny amount of actual "you" brain tissue to preserve "you" just the way you know you. Maybe the same as certain insects might have. Though, I imagine the brain could be "cloned" into some non-native system, and to another, you'd still be you, kind of like the deal with "teleportation", where you are simply copied at another place in space. It would have all of your memories, and it's experience might be seamless in transition, from "you"... But it wouldn't be you, and there's no reason why you should have to be dematerialized/discarded. Then again, who knows? Nobody has done this before.

And maybe, maybe it really would be you, somehow. And maybe the artificial, consructed brain might also be you. I just have a feeling that it would need some of the original, for "you" to still exist. I'm spiritual, but I just can't get over that hump. I think at the very least, the physical bodies that we are given, act as a specialized conduit, for us. We can adapt, but we need some of our original parts, to maintain ourselves. But that could be as big as a fly-brain.

I don't know.

Your question reminds me of the dilemma with "teleportation", as it has been proposed as most feasible (simply sending the information, not the actual matter-information that makes up your body).


Edit: Stepping back into it, I was thinking that if the brain was replaced by a more indistinguishable from life system... One that grows, and reproduces cells... One that remakes the cells from the insides, out, then perhaps a successful transfer of our base, organic "self" as we know it, could occur. Above, I was thinking more machine... But here, it would be indistinguishable from something alive- but potentially superior to what we came from. Think human model "cylons" from the new BSG in some sense. Totally feasible. Perhaps.

Again, I don't know.

But the implications if it were possible, would be awesome. Our minds could be transferred into just about anything, once we bridge that gap... Even somewhat non-corporeal forms, perhaps. Even rivers, and streams, and "plant-life". Implications of what we could evolve into, but remain ourselves, is great. Expansive. To be a bee colony for awhile, or to be a bee colony/hive, but also be yourself. To "trade" parts of yourself with others, without losing anything. Wow, the possibilities. A better form of cooperation. Understanding, communication.

 

[RobotRipping]

it'd be cool if we could make computers evolve themselves. We'd probably end up with a cylon issue at some point though.

it's inconceivable for myself to think that a computer can have consciousness. It'll be interesting to see what happens if the brain can be simulated but a computer would also have to experience reality to form consciousness. So it would have to go around and do things like a robot. we can't just program consciousness in there but it may come out on its own if the computer has the exact same brain as another human. It'd start off like a baby though. We'd also have to set it up so they can reproduce and pass on genes based on learning/experiences the computer has to replicate evolution but we don't know where evolution is going or really how it works! that's one issue.

this would also mark the first time 'life' has been created. Since the beginning of the universe, this has not occurred to our knowledge. We all evolved from incredibly simple organisms, each and every one of us, all the animals on our little planet. This computer however, would not share a genetic line with everything else, that would be fucking weird.

and yeah i thought i had a psychic connection to my computer at one point but i was in psychosis. Everything seemed significant, perhaps OP is completely right but i can bet you'll go insane if you try to figure it out.

 

[What 23]

I have felt that it would have to come from an emergent process, like what you mention ("from a baby"). If we could get a certain formula down, I imagine we could create something that is conscious. Find what about life makes it tick, and recreate it in a form.

 

[aliencowstorm]

Dude, it's like when I was a kid in a library. I would pick up one book only for it to lead me to another and so on. Call it the universe working its ways, the force, the schwartz or whatever, our will drives us to these conclusions.

Whatever the medium that's being used, our ability to have a cognitive interaction forces us to feed our curiosity and fuel our need to hit that next link that drives another link and so on and so forth. I remember when the net was just coming together, I would spend hours and hours online searching for new information.

I wasn't smart enough to realize what was going on or even why I was doing, but IHMO I believe this process is part of the human experience. When we open ourselves up to other possibilities, then those possibilities will avail themselves to us.

 

[Foreigner]

Technology is still part of the unified whole and so it should be capable of presenting synchronous and relevant information in a non-linear fashion that seems to defy logical sequence. I don't think it means that the technology itself is intelligent, just that the universe is. It responds to will and intention like anything else. Anything digital is like a microcosm of the greater infinite at large. Surfing the net should be no different, existentially speaking, than navigating the non-digital world.

The most common phenomenon I experience around technology - or anything electrical really - is that if I'm fuming angry things will start to fall apart and malfunction in bizarre ways. Growing up I never understood the connection between myself and the technology because my first-person experience was all too readily dismissed. It was later when friends were witness that I became aware.

I've losts hundreds if not thousands of dollars in personal technology from not being able to control my anger levels in the past. I have no scientific explanation. I don't even know the mechanism. I just know that it happens. There may be some kind of non-material connection between humans and EM fields, or something.

 

[JJ-180]

If you have a computer, you personalize it. You set it up to conform to your own tastes and preferences. We put so much of ourselves into these machines.A whole life on a phone.

 

[RobotRipping]

Technology is still part of the unified whole and so it should be capable of presenting synchronous and relevant information in a non-linear fashion that seems to defy logical sequence. I don't think it means that the technology itself is intelligent, just that the universe is. It responds to will and intention like anything else. Anything digital is like a microcosm of the greater infinite at large. Surfing the net should be no different, existentially speaking, than navigating the non-digital world.

The most common phenomenon I experience around technology - or anything electrical really - is that if I'm fuming angry things will start to fall apart and malfunction in bizarre ways. Growing up I never understood the connection between myself and the technology because my first-person experience was all too readily dismissed. It was later when friends were witness that I became aware.

I've losts hundreds if not thousands of dollars in personal technology from not being able to control my anger levels in the past. I have no scientific explanation. I don't even know the mechanism. I just know that it happens. There may be some kind of non-material connection between humans and EM fields, or something.

that sounds very strange lol i'm studying electronic engineering and there is always an explanation for when something goes wrong with a circuit. I've never encountered a such a thing that you mention. Perhaps if you're generating current/voltage and creating an EM that would interfere with some electronic devices but would only mess them up for as long as you can keep expanding and collapsing that field. If there's no expanding or collapsing, then voltage or current aren't created, thus you have no magnetic field.

if you're working on electronics though it is important that you ground yourself so that you don't short something but other than that, i have no idea how you could destroy electronics with your anger/frustration.

 

[What 23]

Technology is still part of the unified whole and so it should be capable of presenting synchronous and relevant information in a non-linear fashion that seems to defy logical sequence. I don't think it means that the technology itself is intelligent, just that the universe is. It responds to will and intention like anything else. Anything digital is like a microcosm of the greater infinite at large. Surfing the net should be no different, existentially speaking, than navigating the non-digital world.

The most common phenomenon I experience around technology - or anything electrical really - is that if I'm fuming angry things will start to fall apart and malfunction in bizarre ways. Growing up I never understood the connection between myself and the technology because my first-person experience was all too readily dismissed. It was later when friends were witness that I became aware.

I've losts hundreds if not thousands of dollars in personal technology from not being able to control my anger levels in the past. I have no scientific explanation. I don't even know the mechanism. I just know that it happens. There may be some kind of non-material connection between humans and EM fields, or something.

Not in dispute... But do you find yourself, or have you ever been aware of being sensitive to EM fields? I know I can sense when things are on and off. Like I have felt a phone call by becoming dizzy a second before my phone rang, when I was already having a hypersensitive reaction...

I guess I am wondering if you have bad luck or have had bad luck with electronics, and if at these times you sensed them being "off" in their functioning. Some unstable charge, and it made you fume. Maybe its just so subtle, hard to differentiate cause?

Like I said, I'm not trying to dispute. I don't know.

I know there have been times where I felt I crashed my computer with certain kinds of psychic energy, such as negativity, or something close. And HypGnosis mentioned how there have been studies done, and I seem to recall reading things, where it has been found that people can seemingly effect random number generators. From there, it wouldn't be a stretch that we can have influence on electronics.

 

[Foreigner]

^ I'm for sure sensitive to them. I have a power line running to my bedroom from a street transformer. The transformer itself is also fairly close to the building, I can hear it hum when my bedroom window is open. My first year here was hell because I was getting sick and had nutto insomnia. I tried everything medical I could think of to get better but my health deteriorated, along with my immune system. Because my bedroom is small and my bed is on the same wall as the power line, it eventually got so bad that I could feel my body buzzing as I was trying to get to sleep. But still I denied the relationship.

In a last ditch effort to get better, I faceted copper pipes to the wall, and I ran a grounding wire from the pipes into the grounding box of the wall plug socket. My health improved dramatically after that. I am so convinced that it was the wire that I looked into renting a trifield EMF reader from a lab in my city, but it was $80 a day to do it so I just opted to draw my own conclusion instead. It may also be that I'm just sensitive to it, whereas other people might not be. I dunno though... when I was 16 a friend of mine died of leukemia, and she lived underneath major hydro lines. I'm sure it's not good even for the average person. But if that's the case, why is it so hard to find conclusive research online about it? It's either koolaid sites with people talking about oregon generators, or it's medical sources saying there is no solid connection between the two. Is there a cover up, or are humans just not aware of this yet?

I know to some people my story might sound crazy, but EM field interactions are a fact of life for me. I don't know how or why this happens to me, it just does. Ever since the incident with the wire, I can feel the hum of some EM fields when I'm approaching their boundary. It's a very subtle hum that resonates in my ears, but also my body. When I pass power stations on the street (the ones disguised as houses), I can seriously feel emanations, and it never feels good. It makes me buzz in an unpleasant way, like I'm being electrocuted very subtlely. It's disturbing.

In my search for answers I ended up communicating with a physicist online. According to him, the EM fallout from power transformers is actually up to 1km away. Its effects should theoretically only be felt at the boundary of the field, not the epicentre. That would make sense in my case, because the wire entering my building generated a field that I could feel when I entered my room, but not at the wall which is actually closer.

Anyway, my story is kind of tangential. I don't consider my story to be about psychic powers, but actual EM phenomenon. I think science is vastly underestimating human perception of fields and its effects on our bodies. Our society is wireless now, with those towers everywhere.

 

[RobotRipping]

I suppose many appliances and stuff have inductors/coils/transformers in them that generate small EMFs but that's it. Unless you're living next to a massive amount of transformers (like being neighbors with the power company) i doubt it's possible that an EMF could expand far enough away from the coils in those transformers to hit you or affect you in anyway.

I walk by big ass transformers all lined up to generate tons of power, never feel a thing or even notice them. I don't think there is an EM phenomenon (unless you are using the term as in phenomenal, in which case it's possible i suppose). EMFs are very well understood. Of course there are EMFs naturally everywhere, and you may sense them but i don't think it's reasonable to assume you were being affected by an EMF created by a human being in your apartment. It would take a shit load of voltage/current to create a field big enough to reach you from an electrical source anyway. What's it going to do to you anyway? transfer voltage or current over to you? so you end up shocking yourself when you touch a door knob? In any case, you can just ground yourself from time to time to remove those extra electrons.

and with most electronics in particular, you are mostly dealing with direct current which cannot generate an EMF. So your cell phone/mp3 player/whatever digital device can't create an electromagnetic field.

so i highly doubt you can have a psychic connection with a computer (power supply steps AC down to DC, hardly creates EMF, certainly won't reach a person) by way of an electromagnetic field or electromagnetism. Perhaps there's another way but i think it's just a case of correlation does not equal causation.

 

[What 23]

What do you think might cause me to become dizzy almost to the point of falling down (a little exaggerated, but it was significant the disturbance), not a second before a cell phone vibrated/ rang? Radio waves?

I was sick that day, delivering flowers, at an old job. The preservative the company used on the flowers, some aldehyde or something, was effecting me.

 

[RobotRipping]

perhaps radio or microwaves or any number of different factors. The fact it happens right before you get a call, i don't know. Not sure how a cell phone works exactly. There are so many different waves going through the air though and no one notices them. It's not like you can feel your wifi router or tell it apart from the many others in a condensed area, or maybe you can i dont know. There are many things we can't see as humans but we can still tell they are there, not by feeling but by how other objects are influenced, like black holes or something like that. Perhaps we can sense them or intuitively know them but that's certainly not researched well and would likely involve changing our understanding of the universe and ourselves.

did you handle the flowers before the cell phone call? Just as well, there's a tiny delay between when your cell picks up a call and when you perceive it to ring/buzz/make a sound, maybe your body subconsciously picked up on it before you were conscious of it and it increased norepinephrine combined with the flower preservatives and made you dizzy. That's about the most likely possibility i can think of lol.