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Psychiatrist trip in the morning....need some help

AlPicino

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Bloomington, IN
I'm making my second trip to my pschychiatrist in the morning and I need some advice on scoring some meds. Im only 16 so I'll probably only get paxil or some other bullshit, but the thing is as far as he knows I'm suffering from anxiety and sleep depravation, not anti-deprssion.
The first time I went went pretty well (I think.) He asked me a bunch of stupid questions, blah blah blah. But anyways he asked me if I worried alot and I told him yeah all the time, about the littlest things, blahblah and how I usualy cant sleep.
He didnt give me any meds right there on the spot, so I'm hoping I still have a chance.
but after he was done talking to me he talked to my mom for ahwile, and according to her he said I was fine this might be a stage I'm just going through. (I just moved to Greenville, SC from Bloomington,IN)
But can anyone give me any advice on what to do/say in the morning??...I'm hoping for some klonopins, and I think my mom would agree with whatever he wanted to prescribe me too.
thanks
peace
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'If you don't believe in god, then you're callin' me a fraud!'
 
I can't imagine a psychiatrist saying a 16 year old suffering from severe symptoms of depression and anxiet ywould just be a stage (although an irregular sleep pattern would be more than normal).
Wait.. I was going to give you some advice to accomplish your goal. But I just realized something. I'm just shy of 23. You're 16. I will give you some GOOD advice instead. Unless you ARE looking to seriously need heavy medications due to serious depression and anxiety, you do NOT want to start script frauding until you're at least out of high school and can comprehend the detrimental effects of your actions. At this point, I've got enough problems to qualify for benzos and other strong medications without having to fake anything. By the time you're taking 3mgs of Klonopin daily because you need it for legit severe anxiety, it's NOT fun in any way. Infact, it's really sad when you need that much to not shake in public. Scripting at 16 is going to lead you on a horrible path and you will wind up being an asshole like me who shoots oxycontin despite knowing it's causing my body serious harm and you'll steal pills even from your own friends and family because you're a pharmaceutical junkie.
If you seriously do need medication, your doctor will take the appropriate steps in prescribing you some. And it would be foolish to start out with addicting and recreational drugs like Klonopin before trying an SSRI, simply because starting out with a benzo will help to psychological ingrain the idea that you need to be fucked up to feel normal and because it will set you one step closer to becoming psychological dependant on drugs, or if you're already dependant it will just make it worse.
Sorry for soap box preaching, but it would be completely unethical and immoral of me to help guide someone along the same path I took. For the most part I'm okay these days and more than just get by. But I've still got problems and I would not wish the beatings I recieved along the way on anyone, except maybe homosexual males and radical Islamics and other inferior minority groups. (The homosexual males and other inferior minority groups part was a joke, but I really would wish it on radical Islamics).
Stick to pot and LSD.
[This message has been edited by SovietContin (edited 03 December 2001).]
 
bahhh....thanks for the advice, but I know what I'm doin'. Not meaning I have any experience at script frauding, but I jsut moved to a new area, and honestly I need some shit for the anxiety!
but most importantly, I have no hookups down here yet!
I found a weed hook-up, but unfortuantely thats all I can get right now.
so unless you wanna mail me some LSD, I'm gonna try my best for the klonopin.
thanks for caring tho
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'If you don't believe in god, then you're callin' me a fraud!'
 
Theres a harsh dose of reality for ya...
You probably don't want to hear this shit and it feels wierd saying it, but no you probably do not know what you are doing. I'm 19, mature for my age, blah blah blah, and I'm at the point where I can at least recognize that I didn't, and still don't really know exactly what I'm doing.
I'm the last person who'll tell you to stay away from drugs, but if you are going take that path at least realize that you are heading down a crazy road, and you probably can't really understand the experiences that people who've been around the block have had.
[This message has been edited by Diffidence (edited 03 December 2001).]
 
"I know what I'm doin'"
We all do at that age....
Dont try to rip off or persuade your doc into one thing or another. Tell him how it is, be frank, honest, and maybe youve got some chance of 'fixing' things now so later on you wont NEED to be on massive amounts of benzos and medication all the time.
Honestly, I'm glad I didnt discover drugs till I was a bit older...
I agree, stick to pot, maybe trip, fuck... just go steal some cigarettes and smoke them in front of your friends so you look cooler.
:-)
 
Ok, since no one else will give you any type of straight answer, I'll help. I bet most people on this list tried drugs before they were 16 so get off the fucking soapbox. Taking benzo's because you actually need them won't make you fucked up like the above posted. If I were you, I'd try telling him you have panic attacks, rather than just persistant anxiety. Generalized anxiety will most likely get you an SSRI, but panic attacks could get you xanax, what you're looking for, just as good or better than klonopin. I know kids that started taking perscribed xanax for panic attacks at your age, so it does happen. If you want to pull this off- *RESEARCH* what happens when people have panic attacks, how it makes them feel, what typically sets it off, and how it interferes with their daily life (as in avoiding certain places or situations.) Considering it's tomorrow, I doubt you'll be able to get your shit together in time, but good luck.
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"I don't take drugs, I am drugs." - Salvador Dali
 
I am fucked up and read all the replies. I read the original post though.
Al, this is simple. First of all, if he tries to put you on Paxil, tell him that you researched meds for your condition on the internet. You found that paxil was often perscribed. You also read personal accounts of people who went thru horrible withdrawal from the med and nasty side effects. So you say "I dont want to get mixed up with that drug."
It's kinda fuxked up cause I dont know what you already told him. Whatever it was, t was ineffective if he tolld your mother you were goingthru a stage some shit.
Sleeping isn;t the main problem. If you go that route you'll end up with Ambien if your really lucky. More tah likely he'll put you on an antidepressent.
You have to make him think you are having panic attacks. Research anxiety attacks and the symptoms. Here's a good one: You are starting to get afraid anythime you have to be in a social setting.
Heart beat races. You think you are having a heart attack.
You think you're gonna faint.
If all of that seems to not be working say something liek "My girlfriends mom has the same problem and she takes klonopin for it>>"
I am fucked up, but all of the above is good advice.
 
if yer gonna go thru all the trouble of scamming some doctor to give you benzos i think you'd be better off bribing some guy of legal age to buy you some alcohol...
alcohol...benzos...cns depressants...eliminates anxiety...makes you stumble around...get fucked up...puts yer ass to sleep....same shit...
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hhaahaa...thanks for the relplies, it's 8am right now and my appointments at nine so I'll give it my best shot
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'If you don't believe in god, then you're callin' me a fraud!'
 
mother fucker! I told him the syptoms and fed him with a bunch of bullshit that I cant stand to be around large groups or people I dont know or when im driving, blah blah
and told him that when an attack comes on I get really sweaty, my heart beats and sometimes I feel like Im having a heart attack....
he recognized my symptoms as anxiety attacks and got my hopes up, then gave me some big long bullshit lesson about how to beath correctly when one comes on. didnt give me any meds or even talk to my mom about it!!!
fucking prick!, but anyways I found out while in the waiting room that he's not a pshychiatrist, only a counselor. But don't counselors just call up a psychiatrist and have them write the scripts??
anyways, would anyone give me some tips on how to make my next appointment more worth while??
thanks again
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'If you don't believe in god, then you're callin' me a fraud!'
 
Simple: Go see a psychiatrist. You will never get any type of drugs out of that guy. It's best just to be honest with him, because he actually can help you (non-chemically) learn to cope with real anxiety. Right now problem #1 for you is getting your mom to let you see a psychiatrist. I get the feeling she doesn't want you to take drugs for this either, and in that case you have no choice but wait till youre 18. Getting benzo's will be a slow and difficult process because you're so young. You have to decide if it's worth all the effort. Just keep playing up the panic attack angle, that is the only things that will get you the drugs you want. If you see a psychiatrist, do not *ever* argue with anything he wants to give you. Just take the script, and come back in a month saying it doesnt work. They will probably put you on many,many different non-recreational meds before you get what you're looking for. Worse comes to worse, act psychiotic so they'll lock you away in a kid's mental ward and give you shots of thorazine. That'll take care of anxiety. >
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"I don't take drugs, I am drugs." - Salvador Dali
 
Okay, I used to work in a mental institution and I saw more stupid shit than you could imagine from kids trying to get benzos and other recreational drugs.
*If* you even make it to a psychiatrist DO NOT suggest what medications he should give you, DO NOT argue with him if you, at first, get an SSRI. As mentioned above, take the script and come back in a month and tell him it doesn't work. Now when you tell him it doesn't work DO NOT suggest to him something else.
If you genuinely are having anxiety issues be honest with both the counselor and the psychiatrist and be happy if you get Paxil or some other SSRI because this, combined with therapy from the counselor, will help you.
If you are seeing these people and taking up an hour of their day when they could be helping people who really need it just to gets pharmies then you really need to know your shit.
Do lots of reasearch. Read up on anxiety and panic attacks from various places on the internet so you actually sounds like you know what you are talking about. These mental health professionals are not stupid and I am sure they have encountered many people like yourself before. You are going to have to be very convincing if you actually want to get anything.
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"...and if the night runs over, and if the day won't last, and if our way should falter along this stoney pass, it's just a moment this time will pass." ~U2
"Stupidity has a knack of gettings its way" ~ Albert Camus
 
Haahahaha! Sorry, that's just humorus, you were seeing a "counsler" and not a psychitrist - minor difference - about 6 years of school and the ability to prescribe something...
But his recomendation can still be valuable - you describe a legit medical problem, so you can get a script for some SSRI on your first visit to a real psychitrist...
You're going to get an SSRI - maybe Paxil or Zoloft, and this is fine - you simply go home with it then complain of anxiety - there is a good chance you will NOT get a benzo, as others pointed out, you're 16, and doctors do NOT want to introduce addictive drugs to someone your age.. what you can expect is a long, up-hill road ..
There is a lot of comments that have been made in this thread, lots of GOOD ADVICE - don't argue with the doctor, don't suggest any med, don't argue with any med or even mention something "read on the internet" ..
Habing done this many times before -
I concur, start your story now and by the time you're 18 you will have some benzos, but until you're at least out of high school you shouldn't be that interested with a full-time supply of any addictive medicine...
Good luck! But failure might actually be best for you now!
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
Well, I'm gonna break out my soap box and don't give a shit if any of you disagree with me.
1. This is a 16 year old KID.
2. He is seeing a therapist.
3. He must be in need of therapy.
4. This board should not be used to teach
KIDS how to "scam" drugs. Drugs that
may be counter-productive to his
treatment.
Think about it.
[This message has been edited by PottedMeat (edited 04 December 2001).]
 
well...since you seem so set on scamming yer psych for benzos...
i grant ye the DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Generalized Anxiety Disorder...
psychologynet.org/ganxiety.html
A. Excessive anxiety and worry (apprehensive expectation), occurring more days than not for at least 6 months, about a number of events or activities (such as work or school performance).
B. The person finds it difficult to control the worry.
C. The anxiety and worry are associated with three (or more) of the following six symptoms (with at least some symptoms present for more days than not for the past 6 months).
Note: Only one item is required in children.
1. restlessness or feeling keyed up or on edge
2. being easily fatigued
3. difficulty concentrating or mind going blank
4. irritability
5. muscle tension
6. sleep disturbance (difficulty falling or staying asleep, or restless unsatisfying sleep)
D. The focus of the anxiety and worry is not confined to features of an Axis I disorder, e.g., the anxiety or worry is not about having a Panic Attack (as in Panic Disorder), being embarrassed in public (as in Social Phobia), being contaminated (as in Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder), being away from home or close relatives (as in Separation Anxiety Disorder), gaining weight (as in Anorexia Nervosa), having multiple physical complaints (as in Somatization Disorder), or having a serious illness (as in Hypochondriasis), and the anxiety and worry do not occur exclusively during Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.
E. The anxiety, worry, or physical symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
F. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., hyperthyroidism) and does not occur exclusively during a Mood Disorder, a Psychotic Disorder, or a Pervasive Developmental Disorder.
Treatment Options
1. Therapy
* Psychotherapy: Most patients with mild symptoms can be treated with supportive counseling and education without need for medication.
* Other therapies: Relaxation training and cognitive therapy.
2. General measures: Regular exercise and avoidance of caffeine and alcohol.
3. Medications:
* Tricyclic Antidepressants (TCAs). Imipramine 25 to 150 mg/day. Does not become effective for 2 to 3 weeks. Most beneficial in patients with comorbid depression or sleep disturbance.
* Antihistamines. Hydroxyzine (Atarax, Vistaril) 50 to 100 mg QID may be used PRN, as an adjunct to other medications, or as an alternative therapy for patients with addiction potential.
* Benzodiazepines. Usually of short-term use with no long-term efficacy proved. Use lowest dose that alleviates anxiety. Longer half-life drugs may be easier to taper. May cause rebound anxiety with taper or withdrawal. Examples: Alprazolam (Xanax) 0.25 to 0.5 mg PO TID initial dose; rarely need to exceed 4 mg/day. Diazepam (Valium) 2 to 10 mg PO BID to QID. Lorazepam (Ativan) 1 mg PO BID or TID initially; rarely need to exceed 10 mg/day. Use lower doses than above in the elderly.
* Buspirone. May be less effective than other agents. Start 5 mg PO TID and increase to typical dose of 20 to 30 mg/day. Takes 2 weeks to be effective. Nonsedating. Little abuse potential.
* Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs). Clinically appear helpful but not well studied yet. Use in doses similar to those for Panic Disorder. In select patients may add a benzodiazepine for first several weeks of treatment, since it has a quicker onset of action and avoids potential initial side effect of increased anxiety with SSRIs (Prozac, Paxil, Luvox, Zoloft).
* Beta-blockers. Propranolol (Inderal) may help physical symptoms (not FDA approved) but has no effect on psychic component of anxiety.
Associated Features
* Depressed Mood
* Somatic or Sexual Dysfunction
* Anxious or Fearful or Dependent Personality
Differential Diagnosis
Some disorders have similar or even the same symptoms. The clinician, therefore, in his diagnostic attempt has to differentiate against the following disorders which he needs to rule out to establish a precise diagnosis.
Anxiety Disorder Due to a General Medical Condition;
Substance-Induced Anxiety Disorder;
Panic Disorder;
Social Phobia;
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder;
Anorexia Nervosa;
Hypochondriasis;
Somatization Disorder;
Separation Anxiety Disorder;
Obsessional thoughts;
Posttraumatic Stress Disorder;
Adjustment Disorder;
Mood Disorders;
Psychotic Disorders;
Nonpathological anxiety.
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Greenlighters should be considered trolls by default until proven otherwise...
[This message has been edited by Good Corruption (edited 04 December 2001).]
 
Alright, since so many of you are so upset with this, and because of a new policy, I will close this -
BLUELIGHT IS NOW AN ADULT SITE
While it has been decided that in the nme of HARM REDUCTION we will ALWAYS accept the lit'luns QUESTIONS about safe drug use, when it comes to blatently scamming or abusing drugs, I think it's fair to use a little more discression in what we allow...
This poster is not asking about the responsible use of benzos, and it's clear (based upon multiple replies to this thread and 1 email addressed to myself and an admin) that he wants to use these for more then just anxiety...
On the bright side - more then enough information was given on how he can pull this off, so I will close it, but wont edit any of it...
If AlPicino wishes to take this issue up with me, he can contact me at [email protected] ..
The "policy" about bluelight being an adult site isn't an Other Drugs thing, nor is it even new new, but apparently bluelight has OFFICIALLY been marked as a "site having adult content" (duh!)
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