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psychedelics vs. meditation

bluegreenman

bluegreenman

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I would like to discuss the differences/correlations between psychedelics and true meditative experiences. I personally have had some very intense ego death experiences from just meditating. I think the biggest difference is that it took me a LONG time to learn how to meditate deeply, where as a hit of lsd takes less than an hour to feel. Meditating has made my visual perception permanently different. After a session of meditation, I catch myself seeing my floor sparkle, or residual patterns from my sessions imprinted on the walls. Maybe Im just more sensitive to visual effects. I get visual effects from every damn drug ive used. Lets talk about meditative experiences :)
 
I have friends who are big into meditation and they never used any LSD, mushrooms, or really many drugs at all except for either socially drinking or smoking herb once or a bit in their youth and they've described how meditation for them helped them learn more about themselves and how the universe works.

The one guy is Buddhist and big into metaphysics.
 
bluegreenman said:
I would like to discuss the differences/correlations between psychedelics and true meditative experiences. I personally have had some very intense ego death experiences from just meditating. I think the biggest difference is that it took me a LONG time to learn how to meditate deeply, where as a hit of lsd takes less than an hour to feel. Meditating has made my visual perception permanently different. After a session of meditation, I catch myself seeing my floor sparkle, or residual patterns from my sessions imprinted on the walls. Maybe Im just more sensitive to visual effects. I get visual effects from every damn drug ive used. Lets talk about meditative experiences :)
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great subject man.

now, do you have any good techniques/methods of practice for someone relatively new to meditation?

i generally just focus on my breathing..
 
Like I've posted on pd before I went on a Zen retreat one time for a week with my best friend and we meditated many times every day for quite some time.

I went through different stages I have also gone through on LSD and at the end of the week I really felt high in a similar way, only more natural - perfectly 'transparent'. LSD is a relatively transparent psychedelic as well by the way, there are psychedelics that add a lot of character of their own and color a trip in certain ways. As if there were overlays or themes such as 'metallic, lazer, soft-pastel, carpeting and undulating, glowing, etc'. With meditation you augment your own consciousness and deeper self, but in a pure way - proportionally stronger without special emphasis.

With meditation the result is also synchronized with your own sense of time and experience. With psychedelics this is different: consciousness expansion happens more quickly than feels natural and you feel like you have to keep up. Not so with meditation, everything keeps up exactly right and it is more sustainable and in balance like that. It still requires maintenance to ensure not falling into your own auto-pilot conditioned more superficial layers of self, but with psychedelics it feels much harder to sustain because it is not built on a real natural basis... it's more like a house of cards to reach the sky, efficient but unstable.
 
Well for me.. I used psychedelics to find out there actually was a truth. After I discovered through personal experience the concept wasn't just hippy bullshit I wanted to be able to return with out drugs..

You should look into Kriya yoga.
 
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