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Misc Psychedelics and Opiates (Primarily IV'd) - Who Else?

Druidus

Druidus

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Who else thinks that psychedelic trips, at their peaks, are augmented heavily in very beneficial ways, by IV'd opiates? Also including, or not, phenethylamines like MDMA.

It seemed iffy before I tried it, as if it might "kill" the trip, or if they wouldn't mix well. But I find they mix delightfully, don't seem to kill the trip like a benzo would, and I would do it all the time if I thought such a life was feasible. The rapturous and numinous roaring rush of an opiate, seen through the kaleidoscopically altering and completely refocusing/enhancing lens of a psychedelic, allowing the opiate to fully flower as a felt sensation, to let you feel glory. IME, anyway.
 
If you are going to embark on this, be extra careful with your injection technique. Motor skills are left to want while tripping.
 
Not exactly in the same league as IV opiates but I have found DHC and particularly Tramadol vastly improve experiences with the 2c drugs, and 4-HO-MET. Having said this, I do also suffer from a chronic pain condition, which might affect this.

As you mention MDMA, the same applies. (With codeine. Wouldn't try Tramadol with it given its SNRI effect.)
 
I was apparently comically trying to get up the courage to do it for about 20-30mins but always too worried about missing and twitches and such. It felt like five minutes, but a really long five minutes, you know? But when I suddenly felt in an extremely calm state, physically, and pretty lucid mentally, I injected a good 20mg at least of hydromorphone into a brain already on a 6-7 grams dose of potent liberty caps mushrooms. This was my first experience. I felt like I'd fused with divinity itself. It's incomparable to sober dosing of opiates. Far better. But hard to fully grasp as a memory once the trip is over, like much else. But I've enjoyed it many times since and in other chemical permutations. I like it most with shrooms and MDMA together, getting the peaks to roughly coincide, and then injecting then. It's quite frighteningly amazing.

It's difficult to know when you can inject, but usually if you're where you want to be, it'll be hard. I just wait until it seems easy, possible, and able to be concentrated on. I've had an ex-girlfriend help with shooting a couple times, but I don't enjoy the ministrations of others in this regard.
 
I've always been up for this but havn't tripped since december 2010 & back then i only had opiates lying around occasionally, but how do you think oral opiates would go down?

I can imagine i might find injecting a bit repelling on psychedelics, however i'd love to know what it'd be like injecting heroin whilst coming up on wavy cap shrooms (cyanascens).

To anybody reading this, have any of you ever dropped a trip whilst on daily methadone??

*come to think of it taking oral opiates on shrooms would likely make for a rather nauseated time.
 
I personally found opiates to dull the psychedelic experience, so I would do it to take away the unpleasant effects when I was getting towards the end of the "trip" and wanted to mellow it out or was having trouble sleeping, etc.
 
doppelganga196 said:
To anybody reading this, have any of you ever dropped a trip whilst on daily methadone??
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Yep, and exactly how it affected it depended on the dose of methadone I was taking at the time and the specific psychedelic. In general for me it either felt the same as psychedelics felt before I was on methadone, or made the psychedelic seem slightly less potent (especially at higher doses of methadone). But most of the times I did this I was just taking enough methadone to keep myself from going into withdrawals and was not getting at all "high" from the methadone and had been taking it for some time. I certainly didn't feel it added anything to the psychedelic experience, other than keeping me from getting opioid withdrawals. I also found that early on in the "trip" most psychedelics seemed to help with withdrawal symptoms but that late in the "trip" or during the "come-down" phase the withdrawal symptoms would come on slightly worse than usual. There were some psychedelics that seemed to put me into precipitated withdrawals although this is quite uncommon.
 
I've never experienced perceptible reduction of psychedelic effects. But then, I only ever tried this on very high doses of the psychedelic, and the opiate was just not enough to overpower the psychedelia flowing through my unfiltered mind. It calmed me, to a degree, but didn't reduce the trip any faster. Many of my doses were of over 10 grams dried worth at least of fresh mushrooms, and that's a realm that isn't easily conquered.

Also, never tried anything on methadone or oral opiates. But I forgot an experience with 2c-i that was wonderful too. It did reduce some of the psychedelic effects on that, I think, but I don't know because I haven't done it more than twice. The dose was only a moderate initial one.

I imagine that the rush is what seems so immensely beautiful to me on a strong dose of a psychedelic, so rather than orally dosing, perhaps one could plug a dose and see if that gives enough of a rush to resemble what I recall. Not that it was bad or disappointing afterward, just that the rush was wonderful in one extreme way, perhaps most intensely, and everything after was wonderful in another extreme way.
 
Considering how dirty I feel/think I look when tripping, shooting up in that state.. Well, I just couldn't do it.

Other ROA's would be great though I think.
 
I dont like the combination. I have had some good experiences with LSD plus heroin but more recently doing heroin on LSD just made me feel sick. It took away from the clarity of mind I was experiencing with the LSD, made me nauseous and I didn't feel the euphoria from the heroin. I don't know why I used to like it but don't anymore. I also have mixed heroin with mushrooms, which was not as bad as LSD and heroin but I still feel like the drugs are pulling me in two different directions and don't mix particularly well. Sometimes I have liked it though, it's weird.

I have also mixed heroin with MDMA. I found that during the peak of an MDMA high, adding heroin doesn't do much. I just can't seem to feel the heroin. However, if I do some heroin after I have come down off the MDMA, then it can feel like the MDMA high is back.
 
my god if you ever want to trip Balls just take a diazepam during an LSD trip--it brings on crazy machine-making hallucinations. warning: machines may appear spontaneously for a few years afterwards, without LSD in your system.
 
I don't recommend doing any sort of addictive drug during a psychedelic trip if you are intending to get clean any time soon. Psychedelics greatly increase the amount of learning and in vivo "brain plasticity," so you can learn new habits or drop old ones very easily during a trip. You learn new things extremely quickly, which is why PTSD acquired during a difficult trip can be so intense, for example.

I'm not saying that brain plasticity actually increases with psychedelics. Rather, you learn things so quickly and efficiently that the brain is effectively moldable. A lot of new thought pathways and patterns are imprinted, and you can either question your addiction and actually reteach your brain why you don't need it and to reduce psychological cravings (but not physical), or you can teach the brain how awesome these drugs are so you can crave them a lot more afterwards.

Remember that serotonin is greatly implicated in new memory formations, and MDMA and psychedelics both work very heavily with serotonin, among other neurotransmitters. In the end, I'm not telling you that you shouldn't do what you want to do, I'm just sharing my knowledge, observations, and experiences with you guys.
 
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ErgicMergic said:
Psychedelics greatly increase the amount of learning and in vivo "brain plasticity," so you can learn new habits or drop old ones very easily during a trip. You learn new things extremely quickly...
I'm not saying that brain plasticity actually increases with psychedelics. Rather, you learn things so quickly and efficiently that the brain is effectively moldable. A lot of new thought pathways and patterns are imprinted, and you can either question your addiction and actually reteach your brain why you don't need it and to reduce psychological cravings (but not physical), Remember that serotonin is greatly implicated in new memory formations, and MDMA and psychedelics both work very heavily with serotonin, among other neurotransmitters. .
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I've never ever wanted to trip ..seriously..ever..
due to anxiety...set/setting...inside my head...blah blah blah...
I've had countless conversations w/experienced users..who've tried to
change my mind..
as well as read somewhat extensively on the subject..as I'm just a curious, curious, curious
person....

Honestly, those^^^ words are the only ones I've ever heard/read..that
have ever pushed me to think differently on the subject.
I enjoyed this post a great deal for that reason.

~token
 
Venrak said:
If you are going to embark on this, be extra careful with your injection technique. Motor skills are left to want while tripping.
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This would have to be my advice as well. Ideally you should find a sober sitter to do the deed for you instead of aiming the needle through the swirleys yourself.
 
ErgicMergic said:
I don't recommend doing any sort of addictive drug during a psychedelic trip if you are intending to get clean any time soon. Psychedelics greatly increase the amount of learning and in vivo "brain plasticity," so you can learn new habits or drop old ones very easily during a trip. You learn new things extremely quickly, which is why PTSD acquired during a difficult trip can be so intense, for example.

I'm not saying that brain plasticity actually increases with psychedelics. Rather, you learn things so quickly and efficiently that the brain is effectively moldable. A lot of new thought pathways and patterns are imprinted, and you can either question your addiction and actually reteach your brain why you don't need it and to reduce psychological cravings (but not physical), or you can teach the brain how awesome these drugs are so you can crave them a lot more afterwards.

Remember that serotonin is greatly implicated in new memory formations, and MDMA and psychedelics both work very heavily with serotonin, among other neurotransmitters. In the end, I'm not telling you that you shouldn't do what you want to do, I'm just sharing my knowledge, observations, and experiences with you guys.
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I hear you, very good points, actually. It very well could have affected me somehow, though in which direction I don't know. I don't use like that anymore, thankfully, with the heavy opiate use, so I wouldn't really know. It didn't intensify opiate cravings any.
 
I've always wanted to do that, nodding in a beautiful world. I had the chance to do this, but unfortunately, i took the dilaudids during the end of my trip. :(
 
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