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Psychedelics and animals

my dog loves when I get high and lay in the grass with him.

slightly off-topic, but when I meditate with my dog nearby, I have really great sessions.
 
I havn't read through all this thread yet.

But I find all animals react differently, just like humans react differently to be greeted to a tripping person with pupils the size of dinner plates.

example: My first time on LSD there was a crazy old dog with no teeth that started barking, growling and snarling at me as I was coming up in a graveyard and did not pay any attention to my two sober friends; it was looking at me dead on in the eyes! However the next time I tripped on acid (the next day 3 times the dosage) I was with my cats, and they instantly started purring when I came in the room. Also after taking a 75mg bump of Ketamine, my friends cat would sit on the sofa next to me and stare me out.

edit: Koala bears sleep 22 hours a day, they do this by spending the two hours awake eating food containing a pychoative substance. Yum! And the only time I have 'drugged' and animal is when my 12 week old kitten would eat leaves off my Afghan cannabis plant, run back to me, go to sleep for half an hour then munch some more. She now loves eating weed, she will litraly sniff out my supply and then rip open the baggie and eat the THC saturated buds!
 
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I read an article that a lot of animals have a natural affinity to psychoactive substances. koala bears, deer, horses etc... they are just in much in contact with psychoactive substances as a part of their life as humans are with their substances.

anyone remember the horse/cow article on erowid with the sleepy grass? yep.

as for animals and psychedelics, my dog ALWAYS knows when im tripping. hell stare at me, follow me around and paw at my feet as he never does these things when im sober. how do they know?!
 
^welcome to their world...and I say that because I feel more in tune with them (the animals) than they are to me. More "in touch" with their senses.
I've felt for a while now, that I'd trade a whole bunch of 'free will' for a little more 'instinct'...which leans more toward the Zen for me anyway...
 
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my friend S's dog follows us around the neighborhood without a leash when we're walking around at night tripping nuts. he is often the centerpiece of much speculation about the canine mind... we're convinced he trips with us...
 
I was tripping at my friends house and his dog basically just followed us (4 people on acid) around the whole night. He ended up stealing my bed like 3 times that night and spit up on my shoes. Other then that he was pretty awesome.
 
^^ Sounds like a troll to me (not you, treebear and his dog-LSD stories)... we've had the type before.

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and while you are talking about bad karma, you should know that wrong speech is just as bad as what you perceive as animal abuse...
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You've got to be kidding me... berating someone for animal abuse is as bad as animal abuse? :\

Let's all stop talking about giving psychedelics to animals, please. This thread is about animals' reactions to people who are on psychedelics.
 
trips and pets

I wonderrrrrr.....
when you use psyches your whole body and brain and rythyms change, naturally behaviour is different to others "not" indulging, and moreso to animals cause theyre senses are sharper. But how about being at that different level of conciousness and therefore in a more acute communication with them....just a thought. I mean they have the horse whisperers and the dog whisperers and that stuff, whos to say?
 
I think that communication with animals is entirely based on the type of energy you're emitting and your body language, and the form of eye contact you have with them. So it would certainly make sense that tripping would change the way you are communicating with them. I know it definitely helped me to understand my animals more, and I have integrated it into my sobriety. Being a "horse whisperer" or a "dog whisperer" is, in my opinion, just about understanding how animals understand us and how we can understand them without spoken language to help. When you speak to animals, it's about the tone of voice and the intention you're getting across, not about the words (unless the animal has been trained to understand commands).

That's why it aggravates me when people (like my sister) tell a dog to do something and then when the dog doesn't, yell at the dog and call it stupid.
 
and while you are talking about bad karma, you should know that wrong speech is just as bad as what you perceive as animal abuse...
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I don't agree; but I do agree that negative speech is not conudctive to solving problems. But I am going to absolutely cane someone who is cruel to an animal, and suffer whatever the 'karmic' costs are, which I don't think would be much, and becuase I don't believe in karma, I don't care.

Can I just make a point? If your dog/cat/wild boar gets into your drug stash, take them to an emergency animal shelter; you will not get into trouble, vets are 'relatively' used to these sorts of things. It is known, for example that innocuous things such as onion and chocoalte and tomato leaves (to humans) are toxins to dogs- they have a dramatically ifferent metabolism- could you chew a bone that has been buried for several weeks? Hmm, no. Hops and marijunana are also very dangerous or dogs; I won't go into LSD here.

But please, don't let the animal suffer through accidentaly eating badly stored drugs; take him/her to an animal shelter, they'll give them some charcola or some other nice emetic, but at least you will knwo your animal friend is safe.

I shouldn't respond in animal threads....:)
 
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swilow said:
Can I just make a point? If your dog/cat/wild boar gets into your drug stash, take them to an emergency animal shelter; you will not get into trouble, vets are 'relatively' used to these sorts of things. It is known, for example that innocuous things such as onion and chocoalte and tomato leaves (to humans) are toxins to dogs- they have a dramatically ifferent metabolism- could you chew a bone that has been buried for several weeks? Hmm, no. Hops and marijunana are also very dangerous or dogs; I won't go into LSD here.

But please, don't let the animal suffer through accidentaly eating badly stored drugs; take him/her to an animal shelter, they'll give them some charcola or some other nice emetic, but at least you will knwo your animal friend is safe.

I shouldn't respond in animal threads....:)
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and remember to have your animals spayed and neutered!

=D
 
So it's been fairly established that cats totally know... mine either gives me this look of disgust and attempts to shame me or checks up on me to make sure I'm okay.

My friend was tripping for his first time on 15mg of 2c-e at a sober sitters house (mutual friend). We were talking about cops and power and what not and he just looks at the dog and tells it to come here. The dog instantly went over and sat next to him. He said go to the bathroom and the dog walked to the bathroom door. He did everything the guy was saying and it was tripping me out... afterwards he said he and the dog had connected on a spiritual level.

So what about tripping around children? I have one distinct experience to share.

30mg of 2c-i, watching the grateful dead on dvd in 7.1 surround sound in my buddies tripping basement. (everything was crazy visual in this room sober... bright colors and fractals EVERYWHERE!) His little niece or someone aged ~7 came running down into the basement during the come up (nearing the peak) looking for a movie... he went upstairs to go find it and she just looked at me... and I smiled and was trying to send positive vibes and she RAN full force up the stairs and told my buddy that "Your friend creeps me out!"

Anyone else have experiences with kids and psychedelics?

Other than that, I am a seasoned enough tripper to be chill and it doesn't bother me.. I just sort of examine the way children (people really) interact and be friendly. I much prefer to be on the outside looking in than on the inside of the children and being active. O_O
 
^I've tripped on LSD around a friends children, but I must say I didn't feel all that comfortable. However, the kids were always so full of beans that I would end up playing some biazarre game with them for a few hours- kids are fucking deep thinkers, I swear :) Its a bit irresponsible or something; but I would never be alone with a child and trip.

edit: apologies for my outburst. I simply won't tolerate animal cruelty, but getting angry doesn't achieve much.
 
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has any one ever noticed also that kids between like 1-3 know when your trippin and they will just straight fuck with you? like my neice when ever i'am trippin and decied to go over there she will run up to me and throw shit at me then just stand there and laugh, and when i'am not trippin she is just the sweetest lil girl in the world.

do little kids also go off of body language or do they just know this shit?

i dont agree with the 7 year olds knowing thats just a crush or some shit. by that time too many cartoons and tv shows have gotten in their mind to distinguish normal from not normal unless they grew up around drugs and such.
but as for the youger ones like 1-3 i swear they just know. and the children i know just do shit to fuck with me. but if i'am sober or just smokin buds or drinkin they are completly normal
 
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Whenever i'm trippin my dog just disappears for hours and then will show up outta no where to say hi and then just leave again. Normally she continously follows a person around the house all day..
 
As someone who finds the chemistry with animals while tripping interesting, I'm bumping it for preservation.
 
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Yeah, my parrot is a yellow naped amazon (named Edgar, I'm still trying to teach him to say "nevermore;)) and he is the same way with me when I trip; he just has to be on my shoulder. He wont let anyone else touch him either. I got him for free from a family friend who owned a pet store because they said he was evil and could never be tamed.
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Yea parrots have a "thing" about being on their owner's shoulder. Mine just loves it. No idea why that should be.

Also, they pair-bond for long periods, often for life, and are very aggressive toward all other parrots, so that's why he does not let anyone else touch him, you are his mate, everyone else is a rival and he is trying to scare them away I think... being territorial about you basically.

Mine (double-yellow headed amazon) used to belong to my late partner... about 3-4 months of "sadness" after my partner died and still not letting me touch her, one day out of the blue while chatting with my mom on the phone (synchronicity?) she waddled over and stuck her head under my hand wanting a head scritch, and from that moment on I could handle her all I wanted and she had apparently decided I was her new mate.

Parrots are pretty funny... each one clearly thinks he/she is Master of the Universe.
 
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We're generally regarded as the alpha animal in the household, so for them to understand us is important. When they get confused, they just get out of our way, to prevent getting an angry/aggressive response
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Oh dude, you should watch some Caesar Mulan. Turns out that's an overly human way to look at things.

Everything else you said was spot on though.
 
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