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Psychedelics and animals

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Anyone else ever notice how animals tend to respond negatively to people under the influence of psychedelics? I assume its because you are not acting as expected or your body reactions change slightly but i notice even my own dog seems to want nothing to do with me when im tripping.
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Jesse
 
It's because aspects of your body language are out of sync (there are bits of body language that involves different bits of the body to work in concert with each other). The body language had chance to seem like a strangers, yet you smell "right". Animals watch body language to work out how other animals are feeling in order to predect how they might respond. We use different cues to other animals, so the equivalent to us would be say someone who looks identical to a friend, but just reacts to things in a way that the friend wouldn't - you don't know if it's the friend having an "off" day, or a stranger who just happens to look like the friend.

We're generally regarded as the alpha animal in the household, so for them to understand us is important. When they get confused, they just get out of our way, to prevent getting an angry/aggressive response
 
My dogs can tell right away when I'm tripping. They've gotten used to it so they just think "shit, he's tripping again", and know not to expect to much attention from me other than irradic attention for some time until it wears off.
 
Well i don't know about tripping but there on new years eve I was at a house party and there was a dog there that came over and sat there for ages just beside me while i was smoking away at the lung, I was on E and the dog was the most interesting thing i'd seen(well it seemed like that to me at the time)throughout that night, i just kept petting the dog, ah you all know how it is.
 
^^ That's one area where "true" psychedelics and MDxx compounds really seem to differ. MDxx don't seem to throw body language cues out of sync; instead they seem to magnify them. That's fine and dandy for animals, as they can assess your mood, and whether you're approachable.

Amplifying the body language that accompianies the mental processes going on after MDMA will send a "I pose no threat" signal to animals, and if you're interested in them, you had chance to be sending out signals like someone who's known themn for years.


I'm sure that the exaggerated body language accounts for some of the shared empathy feeling that MDMA produces.
 
I try to stay as far away from dogs as possible when on mushrooms especially. A friends dog tried to bite my face off when we were just chilling in their living room, high on shrooms. We were all just sitting around, no fast movements, nothing, I just looked at him and he lunged and bit my arm. And another time, a friend and i had done E and K the night before, had been hanging out with the dog the entire night and most of the next day and it just started growling at me when i was standing across the room. Didn't think anything of it because we'd kind of bonded the night before but then I went to sit down on the bed a few feet away from him, again, saw snapping jaws heading for my face. 8o 8o 8o
 
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148161&highlight=animals+psychedelics

"Meeting animals while tripping" <-- perhaps these 2 would best be merged?


another thing - in the aftermath of the terrible earthquake/tsunami catastrophe hardly any animals were found dead - they'd almost all fled from the coast as if they had known what was coming, or, that something was coming. Surely the human being has once had this same ability to 'sense' what might be happening in the near future. Surely we used to be more in sync with nature than we are now. Whether it is just civilisation or whether evolution has taken its toll there too I do not know.
 
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My dog seems to like me more when i'm tripping than when I'm not. I get the urge to pet him constantly when I am tripping, and he gets a stomach rub for a good 30 or so minutes before I can get distracted. Maybe its because I pay more attention to him when I'm in that mental state.
 
Whoa, how can you even say that your perception while tripping is clear enough for you to discern between actual differences in the dog's behavior and the difference in the way are you are yourself perceiving?
 
/\ good point. I've been wondering to what extent their behaviour toward us IS different and to what extent out paranoia plays a role there :)
 
Cats do have a strange way of acting as if they know what you're on, and then they make a point of messing with you.

I once had a cat perch on the egde of chair and stare at me for about 40 minutes. I was imaging the cat was thinking all these things about me, so I got really paranoid and freaked out.
 
It's almost like cats get jumpy when they have to deal with someone who's tripping, and by their jumpyness, they start making the person tripping uneasy - a perfect example of vicious circle.


One of the cats I used to have would sometimes suddenly jump two feet into the air when I was tripping, but it never bothered me until a woman was killed by lathe falling from the back of a lorry, right in front of where I used to live. The first time it happened after the fatal accident, I had a short lived, but intense panic attack, about 90 mins into a dose of 100 liberty caps (P. semilanceata) through the cat doing that.

I moved about 6 months afterwards
 
Ximot
Thats interesting about the animals and the tsunami disaster. It is a well proven fact that many dogs have gone ballistic before an earthquake hits. I am sure there would have been human premonitions also.

Animals are very interesting on shrooms. You have to consider also that when on shrooms, i'm not sure about other psychs, that the mind is in a more animalistic state of mind, in my opinion anyway. You can observe their behavior more clearly as they can see yours, unless ofcourse you are experiencing paranoid fantasies.

Has any one seen that movie samsara? where the dude leaves the buddhist monk monastary and when he changes out of his monastic robe to normal clothes his dog starts barking and leaves him. I think its the image we present that influences their action, physical or the mental vibes we expell.
 
Well, I've had some great experiences with animals and psychedelics. The best ones have happened on 5-MeO-DMT with my cat and with mosqitoes. The cat gets weirded out, like she thinks I can tell what she's going to do next. The mosqitoes just left me alone and formed a mosqito aura around me; it was great.

However, that hasn't convinced me of a connection.
 
I once felt a very strong bond with my dog and saw underlying patterns of intelligence on shrooms which I had never noticed before.
this is pretty much how it went

we were with friends at my house, my dog was freaking because she's afraid of strangers(large males especially probably to do with dominance).
I went upstairs while my friends stayed downstairs, my dog ran up the stairs with me. My friends yelled something to me(something about cd's) while I was petting my dog, she looked downstairs and then looked to my face as to see how I was going to react(it was a commanding tone), I reacted (tripping balls) on a following tone, and I'm pretty sure she now knew who was "the dominant" (later confirmed when I went downstairs and made friends with my friends instead of being scared of them)
 
Most of my trips have been whilst away at uni, where there haven't been any pets around... I remember once being fascinated by the spiral motions of a fly buzzing around the light bulb on shrooms though.

Once I tripped on morning glory seeds at my mother's house during a summer holiday one year, and she has four dogs. I remember chilling with them and there seemed to be a greater connection of some sort. I seem to get on really well with animals most of the time though, and there have been incidents when I was completely sober where it's been clear that the dogs know how i'm feeling. For example, I was quite depressed there for a while, and the dogs would always come up to me and rest their chin on my leg like they're trying to cheer me up.

Dan
 
Shit my dog acts different towards me when I'm high. It may sound crazy but I think he remembers the smell as the last thing that he smelt before I got kicked out of the house so maybe he associates the smell with me leaving? I don't know if dogs think that deep or not. But yeah they know if your messed up, they deffinently can tell when your tripping.
 
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