Psychedelics and animals

[THE CLEANERS]

Well i don't know about tripping but there on new years eve I was at a house party and there was a dog there that came over and sat there for ages just beside me while i was smoking away at the lung, I was on E and the dog was the most interesting thing i'd seen(well it seemed like that to me at the time)throughout that night, i just kept petting the dog, ah you all know how it is.

we had an "E" bbq one night and all the animals (2 cats and 3 dogs) just kicked back in various corners checking us out, as if they knew that something strange was going on... really funny.:D

 

[HottButtaz]

Xorkoth, cats are considered pleasure-killers, killing other animals as a sort of play even when they don't need any food. That is not peaceful!

My animals act the same to me when I'm on any drug except:

On ketamine my cats will go out of their way to lay on my chest and face, trying to suck the life force out of me

Right after salvia when still buzzing the cats will hide behind things and spy on me, with their wiskers sticking out and really intense looks on their kitty faces. Then they prance around like elfs or something, and find new hiding places.

 

[TheSanityAssassin]

i find most animals much more playful and excitable when i'm trippin, they love it.

 

[haribo1]

My cat loved me when I was on MDMA. I suppose the constant brushing, stroking & talking with her made her happy. Dogs, IMHO, can go very wierd with people on acid/mushrooms. My solution to this was to give a friends dog some hash-cookies while we were tripping, sorted him right out (lesser or 2 evils).

 

[Jefftildeath]

Oddly enough, I've got one dog that loves it when I'm tripping and another that's scared shitless of me when I'm tripping. It's really just exaggerations of their normal demeanor. One being cool, the other being kind of weird.

 

[ControlDenied]

Yeh, nature.

 

[Zagenth]

Dragging up an OLD thread.

I have noticed that, before certain psychedelic experiences recently, my cat has needed attention normally. My cat would check up on me every now and then, but during recent psychedelic experiences, she would check up on me way more than usual during the trip, almost like she was making sure I was alright and letting me know that she was there to help ground me if I needed her. Even when I'm sober now, she comes to me and wants attention, like she's making sure I'm still alright and saying that she still loves me (I know, really mushy and retarded lol). Anyways, I was wondering if anyone else has had their pets have a noticable reaction to their psychedelic use. Have your pets had a noticable reaction to your use, and acted on that feeling and try to make sure that you still notice and appreciate reality? It's not an easy thing to convey, but my cat has obviously become closer to me because of certain experiences. I was wondering if anyone else has had the same reaction with their pets.

 

[fille d'argent]

My dog Jack loves me when I'm drinking or taking an RC. He gets all snuggly and loving, especially when I get calm and introspective.

 

[Zagenth]

My dog Jack loves me when I'm drinking or taking an RC. He gets all snuggly and loving, especially when I get calm and introspective.

But....have you noticed a change in his behavior because of your psychedelic use? Have you noticed him being more close to you because of your psychedelic experience?

 

[earthchild]

another thing - in the aftermath of the terrible earthquake/tsunami catastrophe hardly any animals were found dead - they'd almost all fled from the coast as if they had known what was coming, or, that something was coming. Surely the human being has once had this same ability to 'sense' what might be happening in the near future. Surely we used to be more in sync with nature than we are now. Whether it is just civilisation or whether evolution has taken its toll there too I do not know.[/QUOTE]


Yeah i know a few aboriginals who still understand the earth, they are still very connected. i tell ya mate theres no aboriginals around the coast when a cyclone is comin...

 

[Xorkoth]

Well, I have to disagree a little bit here. Dogs are pack animals, every single dog species, even wolves, are pack animals. Thats why they recognize an alpha individual, be it another dog or a human, as their leader. They obey their alpha pack leader, which is why dogs are so trainable. Cats on the other hand, are solitary mainly, lions are the only cat breed that respond to pack behavior. Cats are highly individualistic, they cant be trained in the normal sense, and have very distinct personalities. Most cat owners can say that their cats have an air of arrogance in them. They tend to do things their own way and in their own time. Granted, cats can be great lovable pets, loving attention and such, knowing when their owners need affection and whatnot, but its nowhere near the on command thing that it is in dogs. It has nothing to do with breeding out natural instincts, its all about the way their species is wired.

Well, yes, that's true. What I mean is that dogs are all descended from wolves. A wild wolf has all the characteristics of all the dog breeds, whereas each domestic dog breed has had a large portion of their instincts bred out over the years, leaving just the ones that are more useful to a domesticated pet or hunting animal. I mean, that's why they were bred to be so many different types. Cats, on the other hand, have not been bred to nearly the same degree, and they retain many of their original wildcat instincts from the speciaies they descended from. Maine coons are the only type I can think of that has been specially bred to serve a certain function and look a certain way.

In any case, of course dogs and cats are vastly different animals. It just seems to me that a cat is closer to its genetic roots than a dog is, simply because dogs, although of course they're heavily influenced by their wolf history, have been genetically altered purposely through selective breeding over thousands of years to a much greater degree than cats have. I'm not trying to say that cats are better than dogs or anything, just much different, and I personally find cats to be much more like humans than dogs are. it took a lot of observation and companionship of both types of animals for me to see this. A dog is very compassionate and connected to its family (you, other dogs, etc), but I don't think it's any more so than a cat, and in some ways I think they're less understanding of the complexities of emotion than cats are. Cats, like a lot of humans, put up a wall, put on a face for things they don't absolutely trust, whereas dogs are more blindly accepting, and reactionary to the emotions they are feeling. But if you ever get a cat to the point of absolute trust, by raising them from a newborn kitten with their mothers and never, ever being inconsistent with your treatment of them and always showing them as much love as possible, they will drop that wall with you, and you can see how amazingly responsive and intuitive they are. My cats seem to be able to read my mind a lot of the time. They just always know what's going on!

another thing - in the aftermath of the terrible earthquake/tsunami catastrophe hardly any animals were found dead - they'd almost all fled from the coast as if they had known what was coming, or, that something was coming. Surely the human being has once had this same ability to 'sense' what might be happening in the near future. Surely we used to be more in sync with nature than we are now. Whether it is just civilisation or whether evolution has taken its toll there too I do not know.

I think we do indeed still have that ability, although perhaps it is beginning to fade. I think the reason for the fading is entirely our society, however, western culture. This culture scoffs at the idea that we could have anything beyond our 5 obvious senses, generally dismissing the idea of working on instinct and feeling. The more I realize this, and the more I practice, and the more I rely on strong intuition, the more I realize that I can definitely sense a whole lot more than our society would let on.

Animals, of course, don't have this degree of higher thought (that I'm aware of), and they certainly don't have a culture they're immersed in that's constantly telling them they just have an overactive imagination. So their sensing of these things is just as real to them as their sight, their smells, and so forth.

Anyway, my cats, especially the one we raised from a kitten who considers me his dad, generally get very friendly and responsive and cuddly when I'm tripping. However, on strong tryptamines, most notably x-xx-DMT or n,n-DMT itself, he becomes very, very concerned and begins acting very weirdly. I went downstairs where he was, after I had taken and was fully up on 4-AcO-DMT, and because of his bizarre behavior I thought he was poisoned! He was making strange yowling noises, mournful sounds, and running into things with his head (not hard, but repeatedly). He would roll his head on the ground, look like he was flopping down, and then he'd pop back up, bristling, and he would randomly jump up, all puffed up, at absolutely nothing and stare at it.

Very weird. I almost called the vet because I wondered if he had gotten into something poisonous. It seriously seemed like he was dying. But after I calmed him somewhat, I left and he returned to normal.

EDITED for removal of a sentence that made it sound like I gave my cat 4-AcO-DMT! I definitely would not do that!

 

[Youkai]

Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead used to dose his favorite horse and dog with acid(As well as himself) on certain evenings and then ride out into the countryside. He said he never saw any negative effects.

I will admit to dosing a dog befor on 1/4 of a hit of blotter, the dog seemed to love it, very playful, rollinga round for belly rubs, wagging of the tail and over all wanted to just be one with us. Iv also seen a friends dog under the influence of an entire flush of mushrooms which he was growing in the back yard (burried teh cakes), te dog didnt show any ill effects but that must ahve been a HUGE dose.

we've also been smoking up a gram of DMT in a small room with a dog inside, there is no way that dog didnt get dosed, again, not ill effects. Its not good practise to dose animals but if it' good, clean doses I couldnt see it bothering then to much, just as long as its not a heavy dose. And the dog that got dosed with the DMT had a choice NOT to be there, if we were smoking cigs/weed it would have left, but teh dmt, it seemed to have wanted to stay.



and animals love me when Im tripping, I give the best ear rubs and belly swirles!

 

[ControlDenied]

^^ Was that directed at me?

yeh, sorry man, it was a little harsh...yeh, ill get rid of the post, but still, that's kind of twisted if you did feed your animals psychedelics! I know people who have done it... so I don't really care that much, but still. I have to admit it horrifies me slightly.

 

[Youkai]

yeh, sorry man, it was a little harsh...yeh, ill get rid of the post, but still, that's kind of twisted if you did feed your animals psychedelics! I know people who have done it... so I don't really care that much, but still. I have to admit it horrifies me slightly.

why does it horrify you? there is alot of animals in the wild who delibritly intoxicate them selves off of psychedelic/psychoactive plants/animals for the soul porpouse of gaining these psychoactive states. for instance, a lemor will aggitate a millipede till it extreacts its toxins, then lemor will intentionualy NOT kill the insect but rathe is just after it's psychoactive toxins. gorillas have been known to eat psylocibin mushrooms, rein deer and fly argic or how ever you spell it, monkeys and alcohol, and in teh 70's some guy out in Organ was doing tests with alot of psychedelics on monkies and some of his tests where providing two bottles, one which contains the psychedelic one with plain water, some of the monkies would actualy prefer the psychedelic laced lquid as aposed to just plain water.


I think alot of animals are just as clueless as to there existence as we are, they may not just think about it as hard as we do, but that doesnt mean they cant benifit for the psychedelic experience as much as we do!

 

[Xorkoth]

yeh, sorry man, it was a little harsh...yeh, ill get rid of the post, but still, that's kind of twisted if you did feed your animals psychedelics! I know people who have done it... so I don't really care that much, but still. I have to admit it horrifies me slightly.

Oh, you misunderstand! I would never give my animals psychedelic drugs! I was talking about how, when I'm tripping, they react to me in different ways and even sometimes seem to get a contact high. This doesn't surprise me, as I give my friends and fiance contact highs almost every time I trip around them (even to the point of minor visuals sometimes). I think it's very interesting though.

 

[ControlDenied]

OK, soryr haha , that makes more sense. It didn't seem like the perception of you I had ...all is well

yeh... I don't wanna think about this too much haha. But I have a weird sensitivity to animals, I've known a lot of abused animals, and the idea scares me. You never hear of a dog (dog, not cat) getting high and having a good time. People just imagine that in their blind entertainment. The dog gets scared, they run away or act weird (from the stories I've heard at least), that's just not cool. I don't want to sound too "self-righteous"... but it's just dumb. and gross, if the person doesn't feel guilty (if something bad happens). I hate say I've known a lot of idiots (mainly hicks), who have done quite horrible things..

 

[Xorkoth]

I understand what you're saying, definitely. Any sort of animal abuse or mistreatment, or hell, even not understand your animal and treating them like an object, really bothers me tremendously. I can't understand how someone could be cruel to an animal.

If my cats reacted that way every time I took a psychedelic, I would not use psychedelics around them. It's just that almost every time I trip around them, they are glued to my side, snuggling and purring and nuzzling and just generally communicating with me and basking in my love for them.

The only psychedelics I have noticed that they act weirdly when I'm around them on that psychedelic are the DMTs and ketamine.

No worries.

 

[ControlDenied]

That's odd. My dog used to act weird when I was on pot or shrooms...but on acid my bond with her is incredible! She reacts to every little thought, it's like I can "will" her to come over to me no problem. But other times, she acts paranoid, I think it might all be largely a reaction to one's perception, and animals, like "nature", are more malleable to perception and feelings than people

 

[wng-]

Anyway, my cats, especially the one we raised from a kitten who considers me his dad, generally get very friendly and responsive and cuddly when I'm tripping. However, on strong tryptamines, most notably x-xx-DMT or n,n-DMT itself, he becomes very, very concerned and begins acting very weirdly. I went downstairs where he was on 4-AcO-DMT a while back, and I thought he was poisoned! He was making strange yowling noises, mournful sounds, and running into things with his head (not hard, but repeatedly). He would roll his head on the ground, look like he was flopping down, and then he'd pop back up, bristling, and he would randomly jump up, all puffed up, at absolutely nothing and stare at it.

I think thats what caused the confusion about you dosing your animals.

Anyways, animals always seem to love me when I'm tripping. Especially my cat and dog, they always seem to seek me out when I'm on some kind of psychedelic.

 

[egor]

Does it count as animal abuse if your parrot climbs down from your shoulder, onto your weed cleaning tray and decides to help himself to your stash??