psychedelics allow you to see wavelengths of light not visible to the normal brain?

[Deleted member 290563]

do you think that psychedelics allow the brain to turn radiation that is not normally "visible" into neurological output that we might then see as colors or light or halos or whatever. Maybe all the visuals and color changes are actually really happening and now your brains can perceive it. I mean, we can't see heat…but can we on psychs?

is it physically possible that the human brain and optic machinery is capable of "observing" radiation that does not normally register onto the human machinery when it is under the influence of psychedelic drugs?



I would imagine you have to be a neuro scientist to answer this question accurately. I'm hoping for a highly technical explanation from someone with a neuroscience background, or even just some potheaded theories would be nice to hear.

if there is not known science to answer this or shed light on it, please propose experiments or explain why this is not possible and the brain is limited whether on drugs or not.

 

[Crashing]

I think everything is just one singular body of molecules and psychedelics bring us closer to understanding that. So in a roundabout way, yes.

 

[One Thousand Words]

You would need some sort of sensor, like the cones and rods in your eye, to detect the radiation, that lsd then some hows unlocks or creates.

Short answer is no I do not think it is possible. LSD may create the illusion in your brain that it is happening but that's different to actually detecting such wavelengths.

 

[zn13bt]

This makes me think of Jeremy Narby's ideas in his book The Cosmic Serpent that ayahuasca somehow allows people to see microscopic cellular structures such as DNA molecules or ribosomes assembling proteins. However there is currently no known physical mechanism through which this could take place.

 

[perpetualdawn]

No, sadly that's not really possible, we have senses with have physical limits, LSD won't extend the range of frequencies of light our eyes can detect. However, LSD and other psychedelics can make you aware of subtleties of your senses that you never noticed before. Like feeling the direction heat is coming from, with your face, which is a bit like seeing infra red.

 

[swilow]

You would need some sort of sensor, like the cones and rods in your eye, to detect the radiation, that lsd then some hows unlocks or creates.

Short answer is no I do not think it is possible. LSD may create the illusion in your brain that it is happening but that's different to actually detecting such wavelengths.

I agree with this answer. No drug can really gift us with a physical ability that we don't already have.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

How and why is it not possible? explain it in detail please…let me get the discussion started.

without being diligent enough to fact check myself, I believe that lights hits molecules inside your eyes and causes alkene isomerizations of signaling molecules…which then relay into some sort of nerve signal which eventually produces a perception. I think i just answered my own question…..


if it is a certain signaling molecule (retinal…etc) which receives the light signal and translates it into nerve impulses….then that molecule can only be isomer zed by very specific wavelengths of light….but wait….what if?

what if those signaling molecules are isomerized into many different new molecules…some of which DO NOT NORMALLY translate into nerve impulses….now what if a brain under the influence of psyches…somehow DOES perceive these isomers that normally are just ignored and…then what?

 

[Incunabula]

........then science would know about it. It's not like it's completely uncharted territory.

For a theory to have any merrit in that field (and be undiscovered), it would have to be a mechanic taking place on the quantum plane.

 

[black53]

Different wavelengths? No.

Different colors? Sure, why not, color is a construct of your brain anyway.

 

[any major dude]

Yeah, seeing UV or infrared just isn't possible with the human eye. It's called the visible spectrum for a reason

Now one thing psychedelics may do, granted this is almost all theory at the moment, is reduce or negate a number of perceptual "filters" so to speak. Hence the loose associations, more imaginitive thinking etc. This may come into play in visual processing to a certain extent as well. Without getting too in depth regarding signaling in hypercolumns in V1, basically some of the patterning may be related to the structures inside the eye which we normally filter out. Haven't seen any hard science on that specific matter in several years though.

 

[TheLostSun]

yes of course they do do you have the dna to break down the light code and understand what your perceiving that is the case in a nutshell

ancient society's been doing since time immemorial when your on psychs especially natural ones mushrooms,acacia(dmt),ayahusca,iboga,and many more the plant or fungus contain concentrated light codes from the cosmos which once entering your body become part of you until digested and excreted do you think all these ancient structures ie pyramids where built by sober slow monkey like cavemen lol no they where built at a time when the greatest mystery's of the world was known lets just say at one point earth was spinning on a equal balance before the bibles so called war in the heavens earth was not tilted to the right angle so rays of light would hit earth at a different degree (radiation) lets just say humans at the time where different in terms of dna we do got tails appendix Barathary Gland tonsils and pineal glands all with no use or little use i wonder why.. wanna see what your appendix is used for take some 4homet run outside in the dark for a good half mile or until your heart starts pumping hard forgot you use to hunt in darkness for thousands of years so did i you will feel your appendix pump like a lil heart =]...this is my theory please don't take it as truth our conscience ran on a different frequency and circadian rhythm due to earths balanced rotation lets say natural kundalini rising in the bible eve ate off the tree of knowledge of good and evil aka she tripped and opened up her pineal gland and was exposed to the secrets(light) of god... long story short take ya self some 4acodmt make sure its a sunny day go outside stare at the sun for a second you should start seeing platonic solids aka light codes raining down from the sun go home get infront of ya mirror with a compass place it on its side facing the mirror watch what happens also notice corners of square rooms they will be in a chaotic state you should notice geometrical waves or for better words ripples this is where light is bending do you think persian rugs where used in ancient kingdoms just cause they looked nice lmao no way man they are alive on psychedelics they will literally turn into liquid and move and spin this is your eye picking up invisible light code aka third eye including other uses that i wont speak about...it's not just a hallucination people who might lead you to believe this are either covering ass or don't have the dna to switch on the eye and make akashic conclusions hmmmm nothing happens on earth with out reason it gets so deep but like i said not every person is capable of doing this
nor perceiving it your ego emotions and biological influence play a significant role in my theory this guy doesn't go into the more controversial subjects i hit on but i suggest you check out this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqSn6gkh2bel

believe it or not me touching on this subject would have gotten me killed in earlier times im not part of any secret society lodge cult or religion i came to these theory's by my own experiments and vigorous research i know there are others out there who know this and alot more


also op i see your name is luciddreamer i know why you asked this question ;p im researching lucid dreams right now and the former subject plays a certain role i believe

 

[elucidator]

You would need some sort of sensor, like the cones and rods in your eye, to detect the radiation, that lsd then some hows unlocks or creates.

Short answer is no I do not think it is possible. LSD may create the illusion in your brain that it is happening but that's different to actually detecting such wavelengths.
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The pineal organ has rods and cones - pubmed reference, and I have had some very interesting 'visions' coming from that area of my head on LSD. One time it didn't make any difference wether my eyes were open or not, and I could still 'see' all good.

long story short take ya self some 4acodmt make sure its a sunny day go outside stare at the sun for a second you should start seeing platonic solids aka light codes raining down from the sun

Last time I went sungazing I saw an awesome Torus spiral around the sun, and it felt like my brain was being recharged by the warm glowing blast of pure energy.

 

[pupnik]

in referencing ancient wisdom - which nobody has - you claim too many fake truths, (like mckenna)
try this simpler explanation of visuals that applies to all the psychedelic effects:

psychedelic vision results from the layering of more persistent bits of vision (because signals in the brain fade more slowly than when you do not have psychedelic drugs in your system) - so:

1. the intensity of the chroma is enhanced by layering -> therefore the sense of new color

2. the detail at the edge is affected, especially if light flickers (i.e. by firelight or candle light or strobe) -> this enables neon outlines

3. the trajectory of objects becomes visible as previous positions have not yet fully faded -> producing lovely feathered trails - and, if you have enough psychedelic effect, a single person moving in a room will become a multitude.

 

[phuckingnutz]

OK, my two cents is this: psychedelics don't allow us to see frequencies of light out of our normal range.
I believe that they let us see what is always there in front of us and is only invisible because the filters in our brains have decided, for whatever reason, that these things are just "noise" and our brains go on autopilot filtering these things out.
In short, psychedelics remove, in the case of DMT, or reduce, as is the case with many others psychedelics, our filters.
IMO, there ARE no hallucinations, only increased levels of awareness

 

[Crashing]

Hey, he said pothead theories were acceptable. I guess a pothead theory would be anything without scientific proof. I don't think the shamans used ayahuasca and dmt just to see more colors. I think it really tapped into greater understanding of life and under the influence they were able to perceive dna irregularities and perform healing due to this heightened sense of 'vision' although vision in this sense may not carry its literal meaning. In terms of seeing 'heat' we can see heat normally on a hot day over the road. You can argue that it's not actually heat that you're seeing, but that wiggly shit laying on the road certainly doesn't suggest coolness.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

Interesting theory, but no not possible imo.
You would still require a physical way to transform the other wavelengths into a signal which your brain can process, which humans do not have.
Psychedelics do not physiologically change your rods and cones, they simply alter the way in which your brain perceives the perfectly normal signals which are being sent to it

 

[Crashing]

Maybe you should read the book "Anastasia" by Vladimir Megre. Anastasia", the first book of the Ringing Cedars Series, tells the story of entrepreneur Vladimir Megre's trade trip to the Siberian taiga in 1995, where he witnessed incredible spiritual phenomena connected with sacred 'ringing cedar' trees. He spent three days with a woman named Anastasia who shared with him her unique outlook on subjects as diverse as gardening, child-rearing, healing, Nature, sexuality, religion and more.

It'll make you a believer i say!!!!! And remember science is evolving forever as it constantly zooms in. Something we all need to remember. Back when the molecule was discovered, it was THE smallest form of matter, but then we realized there are also atoms. Don't think we've discovered it all, we are just cracking the surface. I think there is real validity to some of the claims here, time will tell. Shit, we are just starting to uncover anti-matter, who knows what they'll find next.

 

[pmoseman]

Man can see lower/higher wavelengths of light outside normal vision and in places with lower/higher intensity of light using electronics.

Other creatures see beyond these boundaries naturally.

It is possible we evolved from a simpler creature which had a range somewhere outside our current limitation.

We kept vestiges of this eye by layering over the top of old adaptations with new ones.
(Blindsight)

As a child matures new abilities to think develop over old ones. We choose to ignore sensations that send us mixed messages, such as the imaginary friends that we reason are hallucinations. Those inefficiencies are not used and they become dormant.

 

[exists]

Here's something to think about:

Can humans sense Earth's magnetism? Human retina protein can function as light-sensitive magnetic sensor

For migratory birds and sea turtles, the ability to sense Earth's magnetic field is crucial to navigating the long-distance voyages these animals undertake during migration. Humans, however, are widely assumed not to have an innate magnetic sense. Research published in Nature Communications this week by faculty at the University of Massachusetts Medical School shows that a protein expressed in the human retina can sense magnetic fields when implanted into Drosophila, reopening an area of sensory biology in humans for further exploration.

In many migratory animals, the light-sensitive chemical reactions involving the flavoprotein cryptochrome (CRY) are thought to play an important role in the ability to sense Earth's magnetic field. In the case of Drosophila, previous studies from the Reppert laboratory have shown that the cryptochrome protein found in these flies can function as a light-dependent magnetic sensor.

To test whether the human cryptochrome 2 protein (hCRY2) has a similar magnetic sensory ability, Steven Reppert, MD, the Higgins Family Professor of Neuroscience and chair and professor of neurobiology, graduate student Lauren Foley, and Robert Gegear, PhD, a post doctoral fellow in the Reppert lab now an assistant professor of biology and biotechnology at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, created a transgenic Drosophila model lacking its native cryptochrome protein but expressing hCRY2 instead. Using a behavioral system Reppert's group previously developed, they showed that these transgenic flies were able to sense and respond to an electric-coil-generated magnetic field and do so in a light-dependent manner.

These findings demonstrate that hCRY2 has the molecular capability to function in a magnetic sensing system and may pave the way for further investigation into human magnetoreception. "Additional research on magneto sensitivity in humans at the behavioral level, with particular emphasis on the influence of magnetic field on visual function, rather than non-visual navigation, would be informative," wrote Reppert and his colleagues in the study.

source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110621121319.htm

There was also an experiment concerning humans' navigational skills, to see if a possible magnetic sense was involved. IIRC, magnets were strapped to half of the subjects' heads, and all were let loose in a city to find their way to a certain destination. The people who had the magnets placed on their heads performed worse than the others. I can't find the story now, unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 290563]

there are some good ideas and explanations here.

As much as drugs can change the brain and all other processes going on in the body. I don't think it is completely out of line to think that drugs may cause a physiological change that somehow then lets light slightly outside of the visible wavelengths "register" or not be filtered out.

who has proof that the rods and cones are not limited to wavelength certain wavelengths during normal use, but a drug cannot possibly change this? if this is not possible, please tell me why? as in why the eye can only elicit a response from certain wavelengths and not others? it would seem that light with shorter wavelengths could just as easily if not better cause the olefin isomerizations that are responsible for ultimately being translated into a visible perception.