Esoteric Psychedelic Ideas and Revelations Inaction

[andreas]

Dude, that struck me.

I have the same thing. This overhanging anxiety and guilt of me feeling that I should always be doing more, always work harder. It's always there and we never truly break out of that nag. That nag is what we've been conditioned to feel, what we've been conditioned to live in. Always pushing, always doing and it never gets satisfied. It feels like running on a hamster wheel. It sucks.

This "nag" is what must be over come, this never satisfaction of anything, never content with everything,we live in a prison that grinds the soul and removes us from our earth, we have lost touch with that which we belong to, man owns not the earth, we belong to it.

I just spent three days in the Australian country side with very little technology. Funny how the anxiety attacks seem to come back as I lock the gate and head back towards old Sydney town

I love hugs, especially when high on MDMA, fuck that feels good
I love you to Nearjat...sorry for the late reply dude, I'd love to meet some of you people somehow.

 

[swilow]

Dude, that struck me.

I have the same thing. This overhanging anxiety and guilt of me feeling that I should always be doing more, always work harder. It's always there and we never truly break out of that nag. That nag is what we've been conditioned to feel, what we've been conditioned to live in. Always pushing, always doing and it never gets satisfied. It feels like running on a hamster wheel. It sucks.

I think I know a way to break it- fucking BREAK IT! :D Literally, delete these patterns of thought with the viciousness they deserve. My method of breaking such patterns is knowing that I will one day die, and all this will mean nothing; if it is going to mean nothing at some point, why let it mean anything now? Life is just life. Conditioning can be severed. Life can just be lived.

 

[dread]

Life can just be lived.

I second the motion :D

 

[PepperSocks]

I think I know a way to break it- fucking BREAK IT! :D Literally, delete these patterns of thought with the viciousness they deserve. My method of breaking such patterns is knowing that I will one day die, and all this will mean nothing; if it is going to mean nothing at some point, why let it mean anything now? Life is just life. Conditioning can be severed. Life can just be lived.

Kinda tricky to do that when you've had parents on your ass your whole life to be the best, always be the best, always work, do do do do...

Parents still nag me and when they aren't there's always that subconscious push.

Also in order to make money and live a comfortable life that nag gives you the drive to get out there and work. It's just that the nag can get in the way of living a comfortable life.

 

[swilow]

Kinda tricky to do that when you've had parents on your ass your whole life to be the best, always be the best, always work, do do do do...

I understand you, I think....My parents were more absent then pushy, but that has similar effects on the developing your brain/s. BUT- your parents are not you, neither you are your parents. They are merely humans who combined to make you; what you feel you owe them is likely not owed, because- you didn't choose them, and they didn't choose you; its just how it is. If I find a sandwich, I don't have to pay for it

If you give your parents power over you, then you'll be a slave to something you can't be certain of; ie. that your parents know what is right. How can they or anyone know what is right for you except for you?

Parents still nag me and when they aren't there's always that subconscious push.

Likely your parents will ALWAYS nag you, but that doesn't equate to you having to do. I guess the drive to not disappoint is strong; but, like I said, at the end of your life I highly doubt you'll be concerned over how much you pleased your parents or the world; you'll most likely be wondering whether you loved your own people enough. Love and bonds don't equate.

Subconcious push- CONCIOUSLY push back. Its your brain after all, just a relatively inaccessible level. If in doubt, do the opposite, and eat more donuts :D

Also in order to make money and live a comfortable life that nag gives you the drive to get out there and work. It's just that the nag can get in the way of living a comfortable life.

Thats the problem. If the thing which drives you to happiness makes you unhappy, you will never find it- ie. true happiness. However, if happiness drives you to seek true happiness, then you have already found it, and can hence stop looking.

I'm only replying to you Uniter because I think what your voicing is a common thing in our generation; this odd desire to please our arents to please ourselves; coming from a pretty weird home myself, I doubt I could ever please my parents, so I simply do not try. They are as flawed as everyone, and they know it. I won't go where they push, because they are pushing me the wrong way. In fact, I simply push back.

Its good to try and define a comfortable life IMO. Does it mean money, a family, a successful career, an ideological change of the world, getting drunk, beating up NAZI's, making music, flying kites...? To me, it is transcending the human boredom of 24 hour clock time and accepting no imposition from the force of force.

Nothing can touch you, as in not-a-thing, unless you allow it. Strengthen your will against such trangressions! And maybe see that living a life for the sake of others possible happiness is a circular path to the grave.

Die in peace You are free now and forever more, and always was/will/and ever shall be until the end of time which ends with you and started with you!

 

[dread]

Parents still nag me and when they aren't there's always that subconscious push.

But hey, that's (partially) what psychedelics are for: breaking away from subconscious thought patterns, discovering and disabling the programming which has been fed to your brain since childhood.

I find DMT and mushrooms to work best on reprogramming your consciousness...

 

[PepperSocks]

You're a wise man Swilow.

I've been aware of this nag for a while and thus if I am aware of it, it cannot control me and I do consciously push bad at times.

Part of the problem is is that I still live at home but that's going to change soon.

And yeah, this is a pretty popular problem with our generation.

 

[superelephant]

Not a very original idea, but still a solid one.

This notion brings a song to mind - Follow me down, by the doors.

I don't plan much, but I do plan to expose my children to psychadelics.

 

[superelephant]

^i have the same kind of feeling, but for me i think i just want some peace of mind... if that makes sense, its very confusing to me.

ive always thought i would rather live in the wild, in a tribe of some sort. At least there you work for your tribe and everything is done for a good reason, here its everyone doing there own thing and IDK, its just "fucked" up i guess.

sorry if this is confusing to you, but like i said, it confuses the hell out of me.

Don't live to work.
Work to live?

I understand you completely, Iwish there was a country where likeminded people could get this done.

 

[Clusterone666]

I would have to say that psychadelics for me have made me learn more about me, the world, other people, how people react, and how to deal with more than what i need to deal with, it has also helped me in my own self and in fact because of psychadelics i am a peaceful person and have taken up the beliefs of buddhism I would say more but it would be pages upon pages of what i want to say :D

 

[nearjat]

Good news everyone! Psychedelic ideas and revelations aren't as dependent on personality types as I thought!

A friend of mine who was completely baffled by my obsession with psychedelics recently talked with me for around 2 hours while we tripped on 2C-E and finally had that REAL psychedelic experiences.

He said "You know what sucks, tomorrow I am going to wake up, shower, eat breakfast, and live my life the way I don't want to anymore"

I said
"No you don't, work for it, you know damn well that you know the truth, now work to spread this love everywhere. It's very hard, but very rewarding."

Very gratifying experience

 

[koalakoala]

I second the motion :D

Hope it doesn't seem trivial, but I think that's actually an insight that can take quite a while to gain. I wholeheartedly agree. Personally I'd say I only realised this through the use of drugs, I guess I was quite intense before to be honest, and didn't understand that happiness depends more on your attitude to life, so to speak... Hope that makes sense?

 

[Survived Abortion]

About Xorkoth and the nag

About the nag. Doug Stanhope called it 'The Circus'.

I understand you, I think....My parents were more absent then pushy, but that has similar effects on the developing your brain/s. BUT- your parents are not you, neither you are your parents. They are merely humans who combined to make you; what you feel you owe them is likely not owed, because- you didn't choose them, and they didn't choose you; its just how it is. If I find a sandwich, I don't have to pay for it

If you give your parents power over you, then you'll be a slave to something you can't be certain of; ie. that your parents know what is right. How can they or anyone know what is right for you except for you?



Likely your parents will ALWAYS nag you, but that doesn't equate to you having to do. I guess the drive to not disappoint is strong; but, like I said, at the end of your life I highly doubt you'll be concerned over how much you pleased your parents or the world; you'll most likely be wondering whether you loved your own people enough. Love and bonds don't equate.

Subconcious push- CONCIOUSLY push back. Its your brain after all, just a relatively inaccessible level. If in doubt, do the opposite, and eat more donuts :D



Thats the problem. If the thing which drives you to happiness makes you unhappy, you will never find it- ie. true happiness. However, if happiness drives you to seek true happiness, then you have already found it, and can hence stop looking.

I'm only replying to you Uniter because I think what your voicing is a common thing in our generation; this odd desire to please our arents to please ourselves; coming from a pretty weird home myself, I doubt I could ever please my parents, so I simply do not try. They are as flawed as everyone, and they know it. I won't go where they push, because they are pushing me the wrong way. In fact, I simply push back.

Its good to try and define a comfortable life IMO. Does it mean money, a family, a successful career, an ideological change of the world, getting drunk, beating up NAZI's, making music, flying kites...? To me, it is transcending the human boredom of 24 hour clock time and accepting no imposition from the force of force.

Nothing can touch you, as in not-a-thing, unless you allow it. Strengthen your will against such trangressions! And maybe see that living a life for the sake of others possible happiness is a circular path to the grave.

Die in peace You are free now and forever more, and always was/will/and ever shall be until the end of time which ends with you and started with you!

That was a fantastic post Swilow. Well, I felt the vibes anyway. I would like to continue on what the this is about, in context with Xorkoth's post about the nag. Please stay with me . . .

This post does have an underlying plot path if you can follow it through...

But I have noticed that your posts tend to go through fair transgressions over the months. Perhaps, you have so much going on that communicating through words to others here with expectations is toilsome.

I have a benzodiazepine withdrawal problem. 80mg Valium per day for nearly a decade. Now, everytime I have to face withdrawal, I go through the most intense hellish experiences - (some which could easily be documented on Bluelight were psychedelics in medicine forum) much of which is transcendent psychic material, humbling to say the least, and very disturbing.

Being stuck in what T. Mckenna called "the meat locker" is something that no human wants to face, as this is where the worst moral and socio-survivalistic areas of your psyche are feeding off of random emotional patterns. It can be seen, in a lighter state than this, that this flotsam of seeming random imagery, is acually a constant underlying function of our brains. It is always there floating around in multidimentional space, and I have no idea as to it's immediate fuction. However, I have a safe hypothesisgleaned from much first hand experience in this realm. Other than a safe reduntant bypass for memories which are failing - or memories which need to be transferred, - perhaps a more fringe inspection, but more acceptable than 'fringe', would be the bioneural factory in which all of our re-productive DNA is constantly re-encoded to include past-life memories - encoded in intuition, instinct, and cognitive and physical outcome. (i.e. How should the next model be constructed, how can we be more efficient, if such such events in our cuurent collective have created dissociative workaround problems. Such as the need for hypnotics due to intolerable past chronic stress.

When we come across this, touch upon that surface with a psychedelic experience it is most commonly reported as the fear or anxiety trying to direct the trip. People say "Don't fight it" or "Just let go". Terrence himself would say "sing a song, recite a mantra". I havn't got a choice during w/drawals, and must ride it thorugh, (until next time I can score a load of Benzos), but having done so, I have learned so much about ourselves (If it could be called that).........

I have learned that the 'nag' really isn't some annoying random anomaly produced in the brain as the result of chemical perturbation. It also doesn't seem to be intended by any external force to be malicious towards us, and cause distress. More, it is the deepest recesses of the human mind encoded on it's own special wavelength (or frequency ocillation or triaxilation) to keep it hidden from normal awareness. What people would call the subconscious is actually a whole slew of data processes being passed around specific areas of the brain. Every data package signed with a memory 'bit' linking it to a holographic representation of a memory state, which has been decommissioned for the sake of your sanity. I have no doubt, that on some bio-coded frequency-function there is a level of the brain dedicated to making the best use of this data, before discarding certain waste. Some uses may include the aforementioned re-productive process. Others may include an internal form of academic study attemting to decode our so called "junk" DNA into meaningful information. I amsure everybody successfully decodes some junk DNA before they die, and are able to pass that information on in making babies!

--x---x---x---x--- Post note:

In my mind, we are eventually looking at the way forward to a level of communication unfathomable as yet. (Only tripped or dreamed upon). This re-inforces my belief that no matter how savage our thought patterns seem to us all, and how intrusive and complicated they are in all of our daily lives (Globally), one day we will have our day of coding ourselves free from physical form. I am an optimist, yes, but that does not equate to complacent. I am still firm here in the real world too, I just have alot of doors left wide open for me up there in celestial planes

Love and Light to all my fellows

 

[Survived Abortion]

Meta post!

Apologies for swaying from the very original subject matter addressed at the start of this thread by *Love*Lite* the OP. I saw something and had to jump in.

This thread has started so much though within me, so much so that I haven't really been onto Bluelight as much as I would like to. Most of it has been bourne, I beleive, out of frustration; I started off with great intentions, very optimistic - and still am. But it is easy to be that way on your own. If I was in a whole room full of you, discussing the title topic, I would probably walk out in despair...

It has been quite clear from early on in this quickly expanding thread that most posters with good intentions either

• Don't fully comprehend the nature of the discourse
• Are slightly afraid or inhibited in what they say for fear of some reprisal
• Have little faith and or understanding in the project at hand, that only distracting jest is posted
• See such a change in world thinking as sadly incomprehensible in any means. And thus, rather than rising to the challenge daily, and BEING THE CHANGE, the discussion falls lacklustre and remains in the comfort zone of placating other member's sweet ideas.
• Need an injection of universal love.

Remember, posters here are from all age groups, and I suppose that some more younger swirly folk are excited, but make bad judgements when trying to articulate themselves to others over the internet - via such an decrpidly crude and distorting/truncating medium of communication such as this written text. I'm actually not sure what is worse in regards to spoken word, but they are both frustratingly inefficient. Friendships are lost. Perhaps the best communication we could have would be full one-one 5-sense communication. i.e. full-body interface. Wow! (That could be distracting heh)

I just want to re-iterate the fact that *Love*Lite* was thinking big here when she composed this thread, so it ought to be taken with serious mind-body-spirit consultation.

I personally think that this is a period of in history where things are hotting up faster on the psychedelic front, and that there is no better opportunity than now to cease the day. Carpe Diem. Fellow swirlers, we all know what we desire. Lets take the lead for the rest of makind, take this celestial love on to the next level as one.

Best to all,
S A

P.S. No patronising or arrogant imposition intended!

 

[swilow]

But I have noticed that your posts tend to go through fair transgressions over the months. Perhaps, you have so much going on that communicating through words to others here with expectations is toilsome.

Just curious- whom were you were referring to here?

I shall dissect your posts when I have more time

 

[nearjat]

Just curious- whom were you were referring to here?

I shall dissect your posts when I have more time

Yeah I'm confused about this, no disrespect to you SurvivedAbortion but it seems like you came in and started making completely unnecessary criticisms about the discussions being held.

You sound militant in a way. Please expand on this quote below, because it comes of as offensive to me, maybe others.

This thread has started so much though within me, so much so that I haven't really been onto Bluelight as much as I would like to. Most of it has been bourne, I beleive, out of frustration; I started off with great intentions, very optimistic - and still am. But it is easy to be that way on your own. If I was in a whole room full of you, discussing the title topic, I would probably walk out in despair...

It has been quite clear from early on in this quickly expanding thread that most posters with good intentions either

* Don't fully comprehend the nature of the discourse
* Are slightly afraid or inhibited in what they say for fear of some reprisal
* Have little faith and or understanding in the project at hand, that only distracting jest is posted
* See such a change in world thinking as sadly incomprehensible in any means. And thus, rather than rising to the challenge daily, and BEING THE CHANGE, the discussion falls lacklustre and remains in the comfort zone of placating other member's sweet ideas.
* Need an injection of universal love.

 

[swilow]

Apologies for swaying from the very original subject matter addressed at the start of this thread by *Love*Lite* the OP. I saw something and had to jump in.

This thread has started so much though within me, so much so that I haven't really been onto Bluelight as much as I would like to. Most of it has been bourne, I beleive, out of frustration; I started off with great intentions, very optimistic - and still am. But it is easy to be that way on your own. If I was in a whole room full of you, discussing the title topic, I would probably walk out in despair...

Whys that? I do understand you to an extent, but- this type of conversation would not occurr in such real life settings.

But- as with normal convo's, themes change- ultiamtely, we are discussing how to practically use any knowledge we have gained via psychedelic use; hence, we are also discussing the difficulties in using such knowledge ie. parents, laws, etc.

It has been quite clear from early on in this quickly expanding thread that most posters with good intentions either

• Don't fully comprehend the nature of the discourse
• Are slightly afraid or inhibited in what they say for fear of some reprisal
• Have little faith and or understanding in the project at hand, that only distracting jest is posted
• See such a change in world thinking as sadly incomprehensible in any means. And thus, rather than rising to the challenge daily, and BEING THE CHANGE, the discussion falls lacklustre and remains in the comfort zone of placating other member's sweet ideas.
• Need an injection of universal love.

Hmm. Without wanting to be rude, I fail to see how your post above what I anm quoting really made "sense", in a practical way.

Remember, posters here are from all age groups, and I suppose that some more younger swirly folk are excited, but make bad judgements when trying to articulate themselves to others over the internet - via such an decrpidly crude and distorting/truncating medium of communication such as this written text. I'm actually not sure what is worse in regards to spoken word, but they are both frustratingly inefficient. Friendships are lost. Perhaps the best communication we could have would be full one-one 5-sense communication. i.e. full-body interface. Wow! (That could be distracting heh)

I would be wary of using agism here; youth means very little regarding matters of universal truth. I do agree that communicating via such interweb interface's is difficult, but at this stage we have little choice.

I just want to re-iterate the fact that *Love*Lite* was thinking big here when she composed this thread, so it ought to be taken with serious mind-body-spirit consultation.

See, the last bit- "mind-body-spirit consusltation" sounds like hyperbole to me. In truth, I don't think she was thinking "big"- just real. And a few 'real' examples of enacting positive change have been listed; giving away free food and drink, reducing meat intake.....IMO, what needs to be deleted from the psychedelic movement is false new-age talk; we can rant about cosmic love, and know it personally, but Joe Blogs don't care. I think we're better of using terms such as peace, freedom, equality, compassion....

I personally think that this is a period of in history where things are hotting up faster on the psychedelic front, and that there is no better opportunity than now to cease the day. Carpe Diem. Fellow swirlers, we all know what we desire. Lets take the lead for the rest of makind, take this celestial love on to the next level as one.

What is the hypotthesised next level- because, to me, it would be consensus reality- which is what has been discussed here, in this thread. Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with what WE desire, but merely what is right for the planet.

No offense intended, and none taken- however, if you wish to impart clarity onto a subject, the best way to begin is with yourself.

Peace

 

[nearjat]

good morning my friends

just got done with a great morning surf....the ocean was perfectly clean and smooth....beautiful world

cherish it

Welcome to bluelight Glad to have a newcomer, especially with all that positivity haha

You ought to check out the PD Social thread, should be right under or over this thread, chat with the regulars and introduce yourself.

 

[We are all ONE]

so nice to look a head in the eye and give the nod..smile

Why are my dyes so eyelaighted

 

[BluePhish]

You are not nut's at all. When on Psychedelics i feel your brain is working it's hardest. picking up thing's that seem like you would have normally looked passed. Also the Great Appreciation of everything around you and how complex it all is. Ever since i have been experimenting with Psychedelics i feel more open minded and try to take in any kind of information from anything i can. To try Passing the message Threw drugs to people is never the answer. So many great points were said in this thread. My advice to people out there is, don't look at taking Psychedelics as a pass time or the ultimate goal of being "fucked up". The week minded will just fall into an endless rhythm of consuming drugs for the wrong reason. Enjoy your Psychedelics.

- BluePhish