Psychedelic cults

[Magickduck]

Ok LISTEN dude. I have not tried to offend you. I am not talking about the "whole scene" or you or generalizing at all. I sell/collect/use crystals in my rituals, I help organize festivals I attend many, and its very rare for one of these to be solely dark and evil, but normally most of the psytrance festivls around here have a bit of a weird dark vibe and touch almost like they are cutting enlightenment with this shit.. Listen, for such an 'enlightened' guy who is 'guiding people' and selling crystals and recognizing our oneness, you do not need to be so rude based on assumptions of what I am saying. Actually, I am trying to be a GOOD guy and keep you and others safe.

To whoever said not to generalize psychedelics, you are right, I think LSD specifically puts one into a hypersuggestive state, most of the RC's are not mentally powerful enough save for a few tryptamines...

To whoever asked for proof, I am sorry I could not provide that to you, this comes from direct experiance and just the mere fact that there are multiple people here who have seen this should be enough to at least open your mind to the possibility... see, I assumed that all psytrance parties around the world were like this... but it could very well be just this area...

Edit: Upon further inspection, the 'proof' comment came up when someone said that 'denying another's observations without proof is as ignorant as it gets' or something of that nature.... so its YOU that needs proof to deny it.

 

[B1tO'RoughJack]

The idea that dark trance will influence me seems no different to the idea that heavy metal is the devil's music that you often hear from bible bashers, hip hop turns people to crime and video games make people violent....

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oh and btw - check this out for darkness...listen to this after a joint or some MDMA....its good for the soul...it puts that dark psy to shame =-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kjpL_K2Hnc

re; the video games and the heavy metal - you're wrong. Heavy metal is the music of the beast, predominantly...a lot of it is just fucking good heavy (melodic) music like Pantera, but most heavy metal is 666- look at the hand gestures rock artists do onstage and you will see they draw power from the crowds, like leeches. If they didn't they'd have all been dead long ago with all the drinking, screwing and drugs they do! You know the "sieg heil!" salute Hitler got the people of Germany to? Well the click of the feet bring energy up from the ground, and the throwing of the arm out towards Hitler throws your energy to him. In metal concerts the same thing happens - the artists (naive black mages and witches a lot of them, carrying on a tradition most probably don't understand) motion for the crowd to throw their arms in the air in a pumping motion - literally "throw me your energy!" Imagine 10,000, even 1000 peoples energy taken into between 5 and 10 people, mostly the lead singer...INTENSE.

You ever wondered why people get a circle pit going? It's a spiral of energy - any spiralling motion creates an electromagnetic field...more energy taken in by the people on stage.

Video games? Well, yeah no you're probably right, video games aren't at all engineered so you think it's a great idea to kill people, so you join the army or anything like that... definitely not 8) Just look at games like CoD. Point in case.

PS "ladyscraper?" LULZ...dude of COURSE music affects people's psyches - through their emotions (most of the population of the world are empaths), and also through their brainwaves (certain frequencies).

 

[Magickduck]

re; the video games and the heavy metal - you're wrong. Heavy metal is the music of the beast, predominantly...a lot of it is just fucking good heavy (melodic) music like Pantera, but most heavy metal is 666- look at the hand gestures rock artists do onstage and you will see they draw power from the crowds, like leeches. If they didn't they'd have all been dead long ago with all the drinking, screwing and drugs they do!

Video games? Well, yeah no you're probably right, video games aren't at all engineered so you think it's a great idea to kill people, so you join the army or anything like that... definitely not 8)

PS ladyscraper? LULZ...dude of COURSE music affects people's psyches - through their emotions (most of the population of the world are empaths), and also through their brainwaves (certain frequencies).

Yes of course it does but I am saying purposful manipulation of specific frequencies that have been studied to illicit certain emotions/experiances and the samples. I do not know about heavy metal it is definitly mostly expressing some angry emotions but I do not know about evil.... I mean I wouldn't be suprised that a few of them are practicing in the dark arts but I've never seen a heavy metal concert with an altar that very well could be drawing energy out of people/changing their path.

Now talking about all this, most of the times these altars are of the light and for love/healing/bliss/awakening, it is the odd party out that is toxic, but it DOES exist. I have heard of parties in which Kali was invoked upon everyone, or where they try to induce schizophrenia...

 

[Marijuanster]

A lot of you people are batshit insane and shouldn't be taking psychedelics.

 

[Magickduck]

A lot of you people are batshit insane and shouldn't be taking psychedelics.

alot of you people are ignorant that there are infinite possibilities of anything going on at any given moment than meets the eye and therefore should be taking psychedelics. though I don't think nessicarily clicking your heels and saluting someone or pushing your energy towards them even intentionally pushing your energy towards them i think thats just your moment to moment energy so your literally only loosing a second of energy or however long you pump your fist...

unless there are people intentionally harvesting this energy for their own purpose and agenda... which I think is going on at some of these psytrance festivals...harvesting the energy of the dance floor but hopefully this is NORMALLY used towards good goals.. I mean I have even seen rituals in which we were suppose to imagine all the negative energy in our life, all the bad shit, all the hatred, anger, frustration, negativity, and imagine it all converging in the center on this flame from a candle and imagine this bright giant blue fire growing bigger and bigger the more we feed it...

I think that ritual was honestly a good thing and it was a transmutation of all this negative energy into the opposite - love and light in which that energy was used to heal and do good things... or at least thats what they said...

 

[EarthBounded]

All we are trying to do is share our observations that some groups are trying to use partys to impart psychedelic harm to the masses.
Denying another's observations before having any form of proof is highly ignorant.

Have you read the whole thread or are you just jumping in now, I have been replying since the beginning with alot less rude of an attitude, but this guy just wont stop talking about pointless, negative shit. I kept my cool until now so why dont you go read the entire thread then come back thanks.

To whoever said not to generalize psychedelics, you are right, I think LSD specifically puts one into a hypersuggestive state, most of the RC's are not mentally powerful enough save for a few tryptamines...

I am focusing on LSD because of your Charles Manson rant, out of the millions upon millions that have done good with psychedelics you have to kick off your thread with the one sociopath that was associated with LSD

Oh thats right you also said Cults are popping up all over the place!?! Oh but now you say its just the psytrance thing in your area!? MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

To whoever asked for proof, I am sorry I could not provide that to you, this comes from direct experiance and just the mere fact that there are multiple people here who have seen this should be enough to at least open your mind to the possibility... see, I assumed that all psytrance parties around the world were like this... but it could very well be just this area...

Admit it you are going off of like one or two experiences!!!

Edit: Upon further inspection, the 'proof' comment came up when someone said that 'denying another's observations without proof is as ignorant as it gets' or something of that nature.... so its YOU that needs proof to deny it.

What the hell do we need proof for!? Everyone is telling you we all know some people are crazy and you are associating us all with them! how about all the proof about what good psychedelics do and the science behind them!?


You are just trying to prove a point that will never be proved you are offensive and rude!

Fine if this is the way you feel why didnt you title your thread------> this one bad group of psychedelic users i saw once.

I seriously haven't even heard what this group does aside from opening up shows with crystal energy strings ( where they probably have no bad intent what soever)

I think you dont understand what rituals are positive or negative and are just some shallow creature who looks down on spiritual people and automatically associates them with dark energy

alot of you people are ignorant that there are infinite possibilities of anything going on at any given moment than meets the eye and therefore should be taking psychedelics.

This is what I am talking about!!!!!!!! WE ARE ON BLUELIGHT THIS IS THE LARGEST CONVERSATION OF PSYCHEDELIC USERS ON THE PLANET WE ALL KNOW AND EXCEPT THIS!!! WE ARE NOT NEW TO PSYCHEDELICS.

You keep acting like we are the blind ones, anything is possible but what you dont understand for some wierd reason is this is true among every human in the world and you are just associating it all with psychedelic users.

unless there are people intentionally harvesting this energy for their own purpose and agenda

What energy!? Oh the energy we all have access to with or without the use of psychedelics?! Here we go again associating everything with psychedelics

And I highly doubt this large of a group is focusing on dark energy maybe they are trying to rid themselves of there negative thoughts I believe the word for this is meditation!

If I were to guess you are young and relatively new to psychedelics with one or two years experience and you are just caught up in a new way of life and you need to listen to others.

Is what you are saying theoretically possible ------ > YES
Do I believe you are making it up because you are unaware yourself of what people are actually practicing ------> YES

 

[missmeyet?]

+1

I still think this is pointless and silly. I don't think we should allow Magickduck's psychedelic delusion thread but thats just me. I don't think there is ANY merit in what he is saying. None.

LMAO.....oh we would definitely have to include it for study and future entertainment!

 

[Magickduck]

Ok, I'll waste some more of my time arguing with you as I am bored at work. I say waste some time as you are rude, and trying to argue with an arrogant person is impossible.

Have you read the whole thread or are you just jumping in now, I have been replying since the beginning with alot less rude of an attitude, but this guy just wont stop talking about pointless, negative shit. I kept my cool until now so why dont you go read the entire thread then come back thanks.

OK. First off, I am not talking about "pointless" or "negative" shit. I am speaking of things I am genuinely concerned about, and I believe I have warrant to do so. I have seen multiple groups of people doing these things, and spoken with people around the world having similar experiances with similar groups of people. Just becaues you have not experianced it, does not mean it does not exist/is not relevant.

I am focusing on LSD because of your Charles Manson rant, out of the millions upon millions that have done good with psychedelics you have to kick off your thread with the one sociopath that was associated with LSD

I agree, I am focusing on LSD as well as I believe it to be the main chemical to put people in hyper-suggestive, vulnerable, and impressionable states. While many other psychedelics also have this ability, I find it to be pretty consistent with LSD. Charles Manson was not just associated with LSD, Charles Manson used these psychedelics with these girls, came upon a delusion I believe he still to this day thinks was true, convinced these girls of his delusion - because LSD delusions can be convincing...especially on LSD - and ended up manipulating them to kill to begin his race war. All [ab]USING this power of LSD. That is why I brought it up, because there IS this danger, that is my main point.

If you do not agree, that is fine, however there is no reason to make this a personal negatively charged insult battle. Keep your egocentric ism out of this. yes I am a hypocrite

Oh thats right you also said Cults are popping up all over the place!?! Oh but now you say its just the psytrance thing in your area!? MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

Yes, I have seen many mentions and personal evidence of psychedelic "cults". You know, I think all this stirring is over the choice of term. Perhaps cult is not the proper term. But I have seen people (I think it was in this thread) speak of eating psychedelics at a young age and getting obsessed with different psychedelic teachers and then ended up accidentally having a following of kids thinking they were their personal shaman. I have seen this happen to so many small groups of people. Normally there are no bad intentions, thus nothing bad comes of it. But lets say a person realizes their place as "shaman" and uses this to manipulate people to their personal gain, or to get them to join weird dark religious cults? And spread it on and on and on... I've SEEN it. I've spoken with others in person who have seen it as well, and there are even a few in this thread.

Admit it you are going off of like one or two experiences!!!

No, I am going off countless number of experiences over the past few years of my life as well as interaction with others who have had similar experiences.

What the hell do we need proof for!? Everyone is telling you we all know some people are crazy and you are associating us all with them! how about all the proof about what good psychedelics do and the science behind them!?

No, I am not associating you all with them, at all. That is your own ego associating yourself with psychedelics, and me talking about OTHERS who use psychedelics and abuse them to manipulate people, thus associating that with yourself. Never once have I said anything about anyone here, you, anyone you know. I have even stated multiple times (and this makes me think you are not actually reading and comprehending what I am saying 8) ) that I love psychedelics and have seen personal proof (way more than the other end) of them doing miraculous healing and awakening beautiful things inside of people. I am an extreme advocate of psychedelics.

You are just trying to prove a point that will never be proved you are offensive and rude!

I still am not sure what you took offense to.

Fine if this is the way you feel why didnt you title your thread------> this one bad group of psychedelic users i saw once.

Because like it or not there have been many groups of people - INCLUDING manson, probably many you do not know about, different black magicians in africa, all sorts of shit, using these tools for destruction and damnage.

I seriously haven't even heard what this group does aside from opening up shows with crystal energy strings ( where they probably have no bad intent what soever)

I am not talking about that group per say as I said many of these feel good and are normally very healing, but they also cut it with darkpsy and dark rituals during it in which everything takes on a sinister feel and you are confronted by dark things. but this normally results in growth, but I am not SURE if its a good thing or a trick... or which deity it is there... shiva..? you have to understand these people are invoking things upon people.... and there have been parties when this is the devil or kali or other dark beings... I have been to ONE that was bad and terrible but it fucked me up for a good year. Others have fucked me up in little ways. I have talked to others who have been hurt.

I think you dont understand what rituals are positive or negative and are just some shallow creature who looks down on spiritual people and automatically associates them with dark energy

I practice rituals, I suppose you could call me a cross between a Jew, a chaos magician, a buddhist, and a bahai. Or me. But I have FELT some dark things there, and experianced some very sinister stuff...

This is what I am talking about!!!!!!!! WE ARE ON BLUELIGHT THIS IS THE LARGEST CONVERSATION OF PSYCHEDELIC USERS ON THE PLANET WE ALL KNOW AND EXCEPT THIS!!! WE ARE NOT NEW TO PSYCHEDELICS.

YOU MAY NOT BE BUT OTHERS ARE. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL ISNT IT DAMN I FEEL SO BIG RIGHT NOW!!!

ALSO I NEVER REALLY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE BEING NEW TO PSYCHEDELICS ONLY WANTED TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT PSYCHEDELICS MAKE ONE IN A HYPERSUGGESTIBLE AND IMPRESSIONABLE AND VULNERABLE STATE AND THIS CAN BE MANIPULATED SO WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL OKAY.

my intent is good here, quit being a dick

You keep acting like we are the blind ones, anything is possible but what you dont understand for some wierd reason is this is true among every human in the world and you are just associating it all with psychedelic users.

I am not acting like you are blind at all. I am trying to point your head in a direction so as to be protect and be careful. If you don't believe it, okay, move on. If you do, take precautions, keep your mind in check, don't blindly follow shit, and be safe.

What energy!? Oh the energy we all have access to with or without the use of psychedelics?! Here we go again associating everything with psychedelics.
And I highly doubt this large of a group is focusing on dark energy maybe they are trying to rid themselves of there negative thoughts I believe the word for this is meditation!

I do not know where you reference here, I never said energy is only accessible on psychedelics. People are certainly more open to energetic or psychological manipulation when they are tripping however, and this can be seen even without intentional manipulation and imprinting that happens in group trips.

If I were to guess you are young and relatively new to psychedelics with one or two years experience and you are just caught up in a new way of life and you need to listen to others.

Not that this should be a dicksizing contest, but I have been using psychedelics for 6 years and am very experianced. I've been there, I used to think these were nothing but good - while they are miraculous medicines, these are TOOLS NOT TOYS and when we treat them as toys (which the majority of us do whether we admit it or not, I SEE it, at festivals, trip reports, everywhere) we leave ourselves open to chemical damange, manipulation from others (without the use of ritual through subliminal and psychological tricks if you dont believe that, what never had anyone pull some hilarious jedi mind tricks on you?), manipulation from subversive spiritual forces, etc...

Is what you are saying theoretically possible ------ > YES
Do I believe you are making it up because you are unaware yourself of what people are actually practicing ------> YES

Good for you. Now that you are done being a dick, lets move on to a more serious discussion.

LMAO.....oh we would definitely have to include it for study and future entertainment!

Haha yes, one day I will probably look back on this and lawl at myself, but to be honest, note to future self: it was more real than it seems

 

[EarthBounded]

No, I am going off countless number of experiences over the past few years of my life as well as interaction with others who have had similar experiences.

Hmmm so why are you the only person ever to bring this up!? How come like one other person is agreeing with you while everyone else is not?

I still am not sure what you took offense to.

Hmm here are a few examples

Has anyone else noticed the tendency of psychedelics to create little cults all over the fucking place? Either large groups of people which spread to small groups of people to single individuals who spread it even further. And there are all sorts of these - psytrance festivals, the rainbow gathering, etc...

charles manson would not have been able to convince those girls to kill without LSD, EarthBounded.

So do you hate the Beatles and the White album also!?

in regards to the rainbow gathering, yes this is better as there is no select group of people organizing it and also doing rituals on all the atendees but it does happen, however the average bum hippy running around the rainbow gathering that has devoted their entire life to 'rainbow this' 'rainbow that' has no knowledge of these things.

uhm, yes. to be completely honest, many of the rainbow family are people who just don't want to do anything but sit around on the sidewalk and beg for spare change, rather than actually trying to make some CHANGE.

I love psycehdelics, and I love hippies. I do not love hippys being uneducated about the posibilities and dangers of psychedelics

Lol sorry we actually study real harm reduction not some mythical thinking like you.

and yes there is certainly some weird shit goig on. at some places here, they will have the speakers and have a string coming out of the speakers and splitting off into 100 different strings each one tied around a different crystal, with a candle lit in front of it.

This is spirituality and not "cultish" and not "negative"

If you do not know the 'dirty kids' I speak of - and I love them - but to be honest - they are bums, and by their own choosing.

Your a bum, a non educated dirty bum

as I said some of you would consider it crazy/fake/delusional - there ARE things beyond your understanding, and I have practiced this myself before and seen it work. This is not paranoia.

You could say the same thing about anybody with any spirituality - that they are delusional/paranoid.

Your a true ignorant A-HOLE! So you are saying right here that spiritual awareness is a delusion !?!?!!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! GET A LIFE
Go tell the dali-lama he is delusional lol....

HAHA LOOK AT THIS ONE:

As far as the magick goes - yes, it is real, whether it is to you or not, you cannot tell me my spiritual beliefs are delusion.

Wait I thought all spiritual beliefs are delusional according to you!? Oh just another contradiction!! haha no one take this joker seriously.

lol, btw they throw some of these psytrance parties at the free mason temple over here, at laest during the winter when its cold outside.

What does this have to do with anything!? I'm sure you have never spoken to a real Mason or have any idea what they are about.

however I am simply bringing to light the possibility of this happening....

Im glad your finally realizing this is just a possibility, I am still confused because you said at first this was happening everywhere?

I am promoting PEACE, but I am also promoting inner-personal growth and spiritual evolution as well as CHANGE, such as establishing small communities everywhere that are self-sustaining, or establishing new routes to the source and sharing, spiritual evolution and growth, things of this nature. Or doing SOMETHING besides sitting on the street begging for change which is exactly what 75% of those 'dirty kids' at the gathering DO. Trust me, I WAS ONE.

75% Huh!? You got some exact math, so how many other people beg for change everyday in the world?! They must all be dirty pyscadelic cult leaders.

What you don't seem to realize is that I AM ONE OF YOU.

HUH?! Well since 75% of us are dirty bums who beg for money that must make you a dirty bum as well!!!

Because they are not doing rituals to altar your reality and your path, as well as playing a fast trance beat to induce a trance-state, then manipulating your brain chemicals in synch with the ritual and the samples that you cannot hear well but your subconscious hears with different noises that exhibit different emotional responses...

WOW, I am beginning to think this is one big joke troll thread

I am not trying to attack any community, actually, I am trying to help and protect those who may not be aware of these things of something I see as a viable threat.

You are helping by blowing up the most respected harm reduction site in the world with your conspiracies!? YOU ARE NOT HELPING

Your acting like Psychedelics are all powerful and just by giving someone LSD you can manipulate there entire life path, you are dead wrong, good people are good people bad people are bad.

I am not going to be rude in any other thread to you, nor do I intend any mean tone on this one, but you need to cut it and stop talking about this ludicrous crap on such a respected forum.

 

[Magickduck]

I will not play these ego games with you, you are ruining this discussion, please leave this thread, it is not for arguments. Mods, I'd appreciate removing his posts as they are abusive.

You have taken every single thing I have said out of context. I'll give you one example

Originally Posted by Magickduck
as I said some of you would consider it crazy/fake/delusional - there ARE things beyond your understanding, and I have practiced this myself before and seen it work. This is not paranoia.
You could say the same thing about anybody with any spirituality - that they are delusional/paranoid.

Your a true ignorant A-HOLE! So you are saying right here that spiritual awareness is a delusion !?!?!!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! GET A LIFE
Go tell the dali-lama he is delusional lol...

Okay. Without stooping to your level and resorting to name calling, you have taken what I said out of context. I do not believe anybodies spirituality to be fake or delusional, nor the dali lama. If you ACTUALLY READ WHAT I SAID, you will see that I said that because YOU and others told me that my spiritual belifes (as in what i believe to be possible/happening) are delusion so I brought up the point that you could say any spirituality is delusion.

Now, please, go eat some acid or something (or perhaps you are one of those people thats been tripping so much its actually made your ego huge??) quit taking things personally, and quit being a prick.

Your acting like Psychedelics are all powerful and just by giving someone LSD you can manipulate there entire life path, you are dead wrong, good people are good people bad people are bad.

*that* is my point... THEY ARE. AND YOU CAN.


Anyway, please stop derailing my thread, the adults are trying to discuss things here okay? And yes, there are people who will learn from what I have posted, and those I will learn from, and we will evolve our understandings together, through constructive debate and discussion, but not through these childish ego games and name calling.

For fucks sake, children these days.

 

[bloodshed344]

WE ARE HERE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE YOU ARE JUST A SCREW BALL MAKING THIS FORUM LOOK LIKE A JOKE!!!

Best post

 

[Magickduck]

I have seen two people openly disagree with me (Earthbounded & bloodshed - albeit very rudely) and three people openly agree with me on the posibility and one who pm'd me to personally thank me for letting him protect himself.

 

[EarthBounded]

Mods, I'd appreciate removing his posts as they are abusive.

Okay. Without stooping to your level and resorting to name calling,

my intent is good here, quit being a dick

Lol Change your name to Mr.Contradiction.

I have seen two people openly disagree with me (Earthbounded & bloodshed - albeit very rudely) and three people openly agree with me on the posibility and one who pm'd me to personally thank me for letting him protect himself.

Oh thank god you are saving us from this super secret psychedelic cult that is going to cast black magic on us all. They are sooo secret you are the only person on earth who has heard of them.

GET A LIFE

This is a troll thread.

 

[Magickduck]

No this is not a troll thread, and no I am not the only one who has heard of this. And no, I am not only talking about magick. I am talking even on a purely "earthbound" level so to speak manipulation of someone's psychedelic headspace through words and psychedelic ideas and train of thought... if one understands the psychdelic mindstate, they can do this, and often do so unintentionally. And I am telling you, this happens INTENTIONALLY way more than you think.

Not to mention the actual dark arts practitioners going about it in a different and even more manipulative way. I am very glad you have had such a positive experiance, but understand, please do not tell me what I and overs have experianced was not true. In fact, I am kind of offended as this was one of the most traumatic events that happened to me and I am still just beginning to heal a year later. you can most CERTAINLY have your mind fucked by people or ESPECIALLY groups of people who know how to manipulate the psychedelic mindstate, using magick or worldy things it does not matter..


as far as being "mr.contraindiction" if you scroll up right after i said one of those remarks i put in italics "yes i am a hypocrite" way earlier...

and yes... you've successfully reduced me to petty arguing over a topic I was trying to have a serious discussion on.

YOU, are the troll.



jesus christ, what is this forum for? I am all for prochoice as far as drugs go and even encourage the use of psychedelics but its like the counterforce to D.A.R.E in here (the antidare!) can't even remotely question the other or darker side of these things without offending some kid with inner conflict about his drug use and making him all butthurt... i thought this was for ACCURATE and UNBIASED information and discussion of ideas concerning both positive and negative halves of these substances?


hmmm...
by the way, since i am all egotistical at the moment, allow me to take a moment and demonstrate psuedohumility and my ability to think outside my own box....

I truly do feel that these things were real and people need to be careful, maybe my experiance is different, but i swear i had some people brainwash me through music and ideas that i never had or was interested in suddenly appearing in my consciousness and understanding all sorts of ideas on how to do different forms of ritual that i had never researched and over time a purifying of myself and leading me to the light but at certain times very confusing scary and traumatising to be influenced in that way either by spiritual forces or the people channeling them, whatever.... and i have talked to others with similar experiances many others and thats how I know it is real, OKAY? and these are people in my local community and getting the effects from the same source... anyway found my way back into my box again... back to my out of my own box point..


however, mayhaps if you do not agree, let this post stand as testimony to the extreme inner conflict and emotional trauma and delusional confusion that psychedelics can induce when not properly used.

 

[EarthBounded]

Ok so tell us what are these dark people doing!? What kind of dark Magic is being practiced? Are they casting spells on people, are they stealing? Are they convincing young people to join them?

Tell us! You haven't mentioned one thing actually going on.

First it was Charles Manson, the rainbow family then it was the Thelemites, then you were saying oh just this group I saw, so what does this group do!? I have read this entire thread and it is all speculation.

You were also trying to link people who use crystal energy with Dark psychedelic cults until someone proved you wrong then you move on to the next insult / made up fact.

Here is the fact you cannot grasp, All groups on the world ( not just psychedelic groups ) have there negative people.

Lets look at Hitler, North Korea, Iraq etc... They have convinced 100s of millions of humans to participate in evil acts, without the use of psychedelics.

Just because you saw one group of weirdo's at a psytrance party means absolutely nothing.


You know the main reason I know you are just making stuff up? Because no one would have the balls to practice this kind of negative ritual in the middle of the psychedelic scene it wouldn't be tolerated.

It would be like dressing up like satan and going to church. You would be ran out of there pretty quick, same would be true with the psytrance scene, say some people saw a bunch of negative activity it would never be tolerated, but you claim you see this going on EVERYWHERE in broad daylight?

TROOOOLL

 

[Magickduck]

These people are changing people's path to that of the hermetic tradition, people suddenly start understanding different forms of energy manipulation and ritual, start getting urges and signs leading them in the direction of magick and shamanism, there is a period of darkness, they are given ultimate control over their reality. There is some deity that joins there life (and it felt like a different side of the same one I knew before this - what I called God), it is almost like a trickster but also very healing and benevolent (I think). everyone at these things shares telepathic experiances that all have a certain direction they are being pulled with different things happening... so hard to put into words...

now not that the hermetic path or shamanism is a BAD thing but it can't just be thrust upon people...

at the really dark one and i dont know if this is where it all started or what and if the other things were just an imprint this left on my mind, but you know how the universe or God will communicate with you through people? ever had that happen? Ok, well this was something else, communicating through this, everyone was possessed, i spoke with a few friends after and they had similar experiances - and was saying weird twisted tainted shit, teaching people all sorts of weird shit. the music had screaming and crying in the background with an intense fast beat and chanting and the word evil and devil probably like 100 times all sorts of things to induce a bad trip and schizophrenia, i tried to leave and walk down to the river where i couldnt hear it anymore they came down on atv and asked me to go back they were just trying to protect me but it fucked my head up they were like "yeah the dark side can tear you up", this wasn't just a trip and i am not schizophrenic, i was fine before all of this had taken the same chemical at the same dose many times...there was this mass telepathy and mocking going on brining up all sorts of personal fears and traumas, i talked to one woman who told me her husband was up front doing the invokation ritual at the stage after i'd thought there was some weird entity invoked the entire night it had something to do with a cat, cat goddess, i don't know... even my fiance who does not buy into this stuff or do any drugs, had a similar experiance there.. two of my friends who came got scared inside and won't come the fuck out side or go anywhere anymore...oh yeah this festival was called Genesis and had an ad that said "come sing and dance in the first song of creation with us" psh.

 

[Livinginthealps]

Anyone who has spent time on a jam band lot, especially, the grateful dead lot (or furthur etc) probably had a run in with twelve tribes and their bus. I would consider them a "psychedelic" cult. they prey on "lost souls" on the lot. In other words they recruit people who are really lost in their life and most of the time use extreme amounts of psychedelics. I am not sure their inner workings and how/if they use psychedelics. But, psychedelics definitely play a huge role in their cult one way or another. They have hostels, delis and various business all over the world. You can read about them on google.

 

[Magickduck]

Anyone who has spent time on a jam band lot, especially, the grateful dead lot (or furthur etc) probably had a run in with twelve tribes and their bus. I would consider them a "psychedelic" cult. they prey on "lost souls" on the lot. In other words they recruit people who are really lost in their life and most of the time use extreme amounts of psychedelics. I am not sure their inner workings and how/if they use psychedelics. But, psychedelics definitely play a huge role in their cult one way or another. They have hostels, delis and various business all over the world. You can read about them on google.

exactly this is just one example of the kind of "cult" - bad choice of word - i am referring to. and they are not all nessicarily a bad thing its kind of beauitiful in its own way... i mean heck, it is, as far as some of them go. but some are dark. like mansons. shit like that. weird religious ones.

and then on the smaller scale like that poster who posted in my other thread talking about how when he was younger and would give people psychedelics he ended up with a following of a bunch of kids thinking he was their shamanic leader...

 

[EarthBounded]

Anyone who has spent time on a jam band lot, especially, the grateful dead lot (or furthur etc) probably had a run in with twelve tribes and their bus. I would consider them a "psychedelic" cult. they prey on "lost souls" on the lot.

Cult YES , Psychedelic cult NO

Ok this is making more sense for anyone not reading all threads here is Magickduck's post from another thread. I would like to be super clear I myself went to far with psychedelics to the point I was praying to some pretty weird shit ( NEVER NEGATIVE OR DEVILISH), I was destroyed mentally and physically I am not joking or considering this a laughing matter. I am also not posting this as an insult.

I for one experienced a lot of hurt through the [ab]use of psychedelics.... from the age of 15 till about 18.5-19 I took a ton of psychedelics ranging from cactus to mushrooms to all sorts of RC's such as 2ci, 2cb, mephedrone, 25i-nbome, 4-aco-dmt, and LSD. To be honest, I think the LSD did the most damage.. I was taking it roughly every 3 days to every 4-5 days for a few months. I never experianced anything bad during the experiances, but in the months proceeding the binge, I went nuts, I started to study into the occult/chaos magick and such got involved in some weird stuff got confused, chanted to some weird deity, thought demons were after me, went through some weird stuff, came out the other end a much stronger person, however am still tripping... it is like being constantly on like 75ug of LSD, having visuals all the time, in a manic sort of space usually much happer than your average person but sometimes confused and in a dark place not so much anymore as I am doing better but yeah...I also think dark psytrance played a large part in scrambling my brain....

At this rate you will just believe anything after taking that many drugs. It seems you choose this research on your own and that no one introduced you to it.

Also there is no way in Heck that LSD did more damage to you then the Nbomne and Mephedrone.

 

[Magickduck]

I never did any nbome (tried it one time), but yes LSD certainly did more damage to me than 2c-i did. Mephedrone did me more damage of a different type... caused me sadness for a bit and anxiety issues, but not psychedelic psychosis. 2c-i gave me visual problems, but LSD fucked my mind!

cactus and fungi have been nothing but medicine for my soul, however.

also i am telling you i know you'll never believe me but i have no belief interest or understanding of the occult or magic and it was revealed to me in my reality different ways of energy manipulation that i just suddenly understood when i was trying to be cool to myself and be a "shaman"... and it makes me think becuase now when i listen to some psytrance many of it is in the darker parts of the occult in its samples and vibe they try to put off..


and just as that is the dark side of LSD as it will make you believe anything after a certain point, thus in that lays the power to create our reality to extreme extents.