Psychedelic Awakenings and calling others to Illumination

[mocnowidno]

You constantly write about who "you" are. what do "you" know, that "you" are prophet. "I" and so on. Mentioning your own opinions and preconceptions about various parts of reality. And you've clearly shown that you are still prisoner to stereotypes. Therefore, it is best testimony that you get it wrong bro ; ) Your freedom from "ego in body-cage" is illusory, since you've entrapped yourself in another cage of concepts and you seem to present yourself in way ""I" KNOW THE TRUTH, "I" AM THAT, "I" WAS GIVEN THAT, "I" AM 100% RIGHT". Sadly, from what you've written so far, it seems that from one polarity you've jumped to the other one.

The one who knows the way and embody the truth doesn't go by constantly repeating to other people that he knows it and embodies it

 

[Pavlovsvodka]

My prophets are a little more well spoken, and don't rely on copy and pasting youtubes. Do you really think you're some sort of divinely mandated truth speaker with a mission to bring others out of ignorance??? That very assertation is hopelessly devoid of the humility that Mckenna so brilliantly exuded. I'm really sorry this thread got high jacked but I am quite curious of our newfound pseudointellectual's interpretation of McKennas crown jewel, Novelty Theory.

It is much easier to assault falsehoods than to identify and protect truths.

 

[Carlqua]

It's hallucinations under the influence of drugs.......
and ghosts are not real, same as god.........messages from nothing psscchhh
Don't quote me in such a mocking way, you are pretentious and self righteous and you are no different from those who host imaging money into your life seminars, and those who use witchcraft and petty rituals to get love. You compare yourself to Mckenna in desperation for acceptance maybe?

And you've clearly shown that you are still prisoner to stereotypes.

 

[Busty St Clare]

I'm not any more crazy than some freaking claiming he knows god. Why aren't they having psychosis? Because it is a religious belief.

If one person has an imaginary friend he is crazy, if many people have the same imaginary friend they are enlightened. The rules haven't changed in 5000 years. You have to decide whose life you are trying to improve. Personally I believe if the world is going to end I'm going to enjoy it while I can. Spending a lifetime preparing for doom just means you waste the best years available to you.

Psychedelics by their nature are a personal, subconscious substance. They strip aware external stimuli that have been built up over your life and allow a deep exploration of your mind. In high doses you experience ego loss where you feel detached from you outward consciousness to such an extent that you no longer recognize or feel "you". There is nothing mystic about it, it is just how some drugs work. It is little wonder your own ego takes over, feelings like empathy and enlightenment may appear unique and personal if you were raised in a western judeo-Christian community and it is easy to see this as some sort of calling and everyone else is blind.

I'm not writing this in any belief that you will suddenly realise you are sounding like a crazy man, you never do until it's all over, I'm just hoping you slow down your excitement enough that you don't over commit your life down a path of dispair.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Good point Dwayne, I might move EWO's topic/posts concerning it out of here and into their own thread at some point today. On the other hand, OP aside, the title of this thread is phrased very broadly, and digression has happened before...so maybe I'll change the title of this thread too.

It sounds like you're saying, there is no "alternative". If "even acting" won't do much, nothing will. Action, is, after all, the only means of accomplishing anything we have at our disposal.

What I meant to say was that you shouldn't concern yourself with changing or awakening the world (in this case, not with like civil/political stuff that can be changed within the system). Change yourself, cultivate yourself, that's all that you can control, and by doing good you may well cause good, and change the lives of the people around you for the better a little bit.

 

[socalrollin]

oh boy, i dont have the time to read all eight pages at the moment but i can vouch for eye wide open, he's my good buddy and he isnt crazy at all. very enlightened by certain substances lately but thats it, and i think he's on to something. there is a "message", but what is it? shall we ever find out? keep searching tj i want to know, and when the time is right ill help look lol

 

[eye_wide_open]

While I wish eye_wide_open would have created his own topic .

Forgive me DwayneHoover but I thought at a point or two you may have caught interest from some of it. I Tried to point back to original topic several times of where I think the message comes from.
I can be a thread hijacker.

It comes from THE TRUTH.
Simply put.

It seems they don't want to hear about what I'm doing on drugs in the MXE thread either. lol

I don't feel like creating my own "I'm crazy" thread.

It's much more fun to try and share my experiences with you.

BTW, I have recovered "The bible" I wrote. lol. Thanks to a good friend I trust.

But this appears not the place to post it. My apology.

Hell go ahead and merge it all into a thread all about me.
That's not what I want here.. and keep trying to stop it being about me. but I think that's where it keeps heading anyway. Then I'll sit there and listen to you all tell me I'm nuts.. while I try to explain my version of the message to no end.

If I can dish it out, I have to be ready to take it back.

What I meant to say was that you shouldn't concern yourself with changing or awakening the world (in this case, not with like civil/political stuff that can be changed within the system). Change yourself, cultivate yourself, that's all that you can control, and by doing good you may well cause good, and change the lives of the people around you for the better a little bit.

I'm starting to see this.
But I guess I'm on a slight mission.

I haven't had any drugs for a few days now..
and that's not because I don't have them. That's to prove I can handle being off them.

 

[eye_wide_open]

Hmmph.
I like this.

I was struck with a very empathetic euphoria that quickly turned into a very mystic bewilderment, as if I had just felt something that was much bigger than myself happen.

But I will hold back my comments with great discomfort. lol

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

If you would like the title of this thread changed, or the whole thing closed, you need only say the word EWO.

I haven't had any drugs for a few days now..
and that's not because I don't have them. That's to prove I can handle being off them.

Sorry, but given your dissociative habit, months of abstinence are in order to give your chance to break free of delusions they have caused/reinforced. At least based off of my personal experience with them, even now, using them at all can easily send be back to them especially if I have more than one dose's worth. You can't see it while it's still happening. Abstaining from psych use in general for at least a month may also be wise.

The drugs will still be there when after that, and you may or may not learn something useful during your break.

while I try to explain my version of the message to no end

No you don't! Your posts are like marshmallows, a bunch of fluff lacking any substantiation. Let me summarize what you have said.
"I am awakened, psychedelic drugs opened my third eye. Most people are blind, therefore they are controlled by religion, government, and materialistic culture. Culture is corrupt/morally wrong, and you must awake, free yourself from its delusions, and actively reject it. I speak truth because I know it is true, I am not crazy, look McKenna agrees with me."

So basically you've engaged in some of the lengthiest, post-heavy talking around to convey 4 sentences worth of information. None of it is even radical or beyond a typical Counter-cultural or luddite rhetoric, aside from the messiah complex vibe you're putting off. What was the point of invoking McKenna, I mean they're nice talks and vids you linked to, but you didn't say any of that stuff at best you implied some of the things he dealt with in a lucid and in-depth manner, hardly a confirmation of your vast received knowledge!

So my Rx for you is aside from the recommended period of sobriety above, is to take the revelations you have received, think deeply about them, expound upon them in a logical manner, attack them with what skepticism you can muster, repeat. After you've done this to your heart's content please explain as clearly and concisely as possible the Truths to which you have become aware. (I realize that beliefs and thoughts are all mangled up in tangled up knots and it can be very difficult to approach them systematically, but surely progress can be made if you try)

 

[RobotRipping]

I Can see outside the box.

Wake up! The message is knocking! It can't be hidden anymore.
Hallucinogens are not bad for you and are, in fact, very seriously misunderstood.

you're preaching to the choir here.

what's your problem with religion? did you think all those fairy tales were true? .

Are horses "drug addicts" too? Because they can eat mushrooms.
Get it?

i don't think humans who eat mushrooms are drug addicts either lol

i once thought i had inherited divine powers through meditation. I would also go on long detailed rants about religion/truth/enlightenment and also began to empathize with the plight of native americans lol. I also felt like i could translate abstract ideas to the masses. You can be sure you're on to something when the CIA attempts to recruit you through secret messages in the media and in your mail.

You take the same drugs I do in the same amounts and same frequency, it's a given you're going to come to something close to the same conclusion as me.

i certainly agree with you here; given the right amount of drugs i think most people reach the exact same conclusion for some reason.

 

[freedstar]

I've shared some of your thoughts. But what can you ever make of them? In the 60's there were plenty of people who surely heard "The Message" and attempted radical things to try and push them foward.

I came across this yesterday which I really liked.

http://ndirty.cute.fi/~karttu/tekstit/artaud.htm

" - You are raving, Mr. Artaud.
You are mad.

- I am not raving.
I am not mad.
I tell you that they have reinvented microbes in order to impose a new idea of god.


They have found a new way to bring out god and to capture him in his microbic noxiousness. "



Along the same lines isin't it 8)

 

[IamMe90]

I am a good writer. I can explain things.

Dude, no you aren't. You are honestly one of the most scattered, choppy and generally incoherent writers I've seen on bluelight. You have no flow or order to your thoughts as you articulate them and rather than saying ANYTHING substantive you just write vague aphorisms and metaphors. Well, who knows what you know, because it apparently can't be articulated in a language that most people can well understand.

 

[webbykevin]

Those who say do not know.
Those who know do not say.

 

[Jinux]

Dude, no you aren't. You are honestly one of the most scattered, choppy and generally incoherent writers I've seen on bluelight. You have no flow or order to your thoughts as you articulate them and rather than saying ANYTHING substances you just write vague aphorisms and metaphors. Well, who knows what you know, because it apparently can't be articulated in a language that most people can well understand.

Lol, well said brah.

 

[Termino]

Just about all visionaries have been considered 'nuts'. It comes with the territory. A person who has seen/experienced/understands that which others have not, has an extremely difficult time conveying his enlightenment to others. Not only that, but enlightenment itself takes various forms. Although 'The Message', 'True Reality', 'God', or whatever you wish to call it, may be a unity and be universal truth, it's still filtered through our human consciousness and is understood & explained through our ego. That's why everyone has to experience it for him/herself. Non-duality cannot be explained in a dualistic human manner (words, etc.). And so even though it's so crystal clear and obvious to the person undergoing the experience, it comes forth as gibberish to others. This does not diminish the experience, but once again reinforces the word experience.

Definition of EXPERIENCE
1.
a : direct observation of or participation in events as a basis of knowledge
b : the fact or state of having been affected by or gained knowledge through direct observation or participation

 

[Pavlovsvodka]

While I tend to disagree with the generalization that all visionaries are nuts, I'm sure all of us with any measure of sanity can understand that all who are nuts are not visionaries. The extent of ones ability to articulate ideas is more important than the ideas themselves. Ironically this is an idea h I feel very strongly McKenna would hold as a truism. Simply screaming your ideas in pitifully rudimentary terms on a message board that's very design implies there are a bevy of like minded people here doesn't make someone a prophet- it makes them a republican. I am constantly humbled and inspired by the veritable encyclopedia of psychadelia through shared experience that we have at our fingertips. Consequently I believe humility and inspiration to be nucleic to psychadelia as well as the human experience itself. Self congratulation and pontification do little to further our causes, personal or otherwise. That, in my opinion, was Leary's downfall.