Tryptamines Psilocybin and trip anxiety

[Jamshyd]

*bump*

I am hoping this poll reaches at least 100 participants. At this point, I can get some semi-conclusive results.

 

[Ximot]

I voted yes, but the anxiety is only present during the transition phase. With mushrooms I have a sometimes borderline panic attack during the come-ups. It is very nerve wracking until I have fully reached the plateau.

I would have to add that I feel like I am very sensitive to mushrooms...

Likewise!!

edit. oh, and I found that shroom tea (orally) can certainly ease the stomach queasiness gotten from eating the stuff, but it does not alleviate the anxiety. by the way, I found that eating mushrooms just post-peak off methylone cancels out any anxiety for me.

 

[swilow]

The stimulation and stomack sensations of mushies make me think im anxious, but I think i'm linking physical sensations to mental states that aren't entirely bound. All trip anxiety comes if i stress about body load, which increases the load of course.

I really can't break the idea of nervous stomach/other somatic symptoms with impending mushroom doom- i've tried, but its too fucking hard. Incidentally, LSD has the same effect (lessened and extended though) whereas dimethytryptamine completely relaxes me.

 

[Ximot]

/\ hmm, yeah - it's an incredibly psychosomatic experience. When I get nauseous (rare for me on psychedelics as a whole) on mushrooms (which is common for me on come-ups) I tend to feel so bad that I feel like there's lots of bad stuff in me (not on a physical but on a spiritual level) .. demons I need to purge ... and I feel self-disgust and the anxiety that goes with that like on no other drug I have tried. Doesn't always happen, and usually it will resolve itself and I will break through to the other side, forgive myself for whatever perceived nastiness there was, and ride the trip after that - feeling renewed, reconciled.

 

[Jamshyd]

Yeah I can relate to that as well.

There are very few psychedelics I can think of that have a smooth comeup... DiPT and Iprocetyl come to mind. LSD tends to have a rather euphoric element on the comeup for me, in spite the extreme stimulation. But otherwise, I dread the comeup for most psychedelics. Mushrooms, 5-MeO-DMT, and 2C-C are just horrific.

 

[eggsminuspan]

The trip anxiety on mushrooms is very different for me than other chems. Well, each chem has its own flavor of intense anxiety. On shrooms, I was having terrible circular thinking and thought that everything was a plot. It was worse after I got high, cause that just makes me paranoid when coupled with the drug.

 

[klowns]

to me mushrooms are the smoothest come up in existence, followed by acid. werid due to the fact that its a chemical, but damn the come up is smoothe. nothin like good dose! anyways, just goes to show that everyone will react diffferntly.

 

[Ximot]

Regarding the nasty come-ups... I sometimes wonder to what extent I tend to trip when I seek some sort of much needed insight as I may be a bit lost... and get these uncomfortable come-ups (albeit without actual nausea unless it's mushrooms, which also tend to have the most full-fledged anxiety for me) due to not starting out from a state of calm acceptance but rather from a state of unresolved restlessness.

it's not that I don't have states of calm acceptance - I certainly do ... but when I feel like that I tend to have no desire to trip but just quite happy to enjoy the comfort of that state and not go mess with it

I have no doubt a gift like DMT taken in the right state of mind can open doors to such beauty it will enable me to transform myself much more beneficially than it has done so far...

but when I am in "the right state of mind" I have little desire to go mess with it and inhale those crazy vapors and enter the machine world. I just want the peace I am feeling to continue. regarding longer-lasting psychedelics, I just don't wanna bother with the stimulation when I feel at peace already...why would I?

Hence I end up ingesting psy's in a state of restlessness all too often. And then the trip starts with restless apprehension followed by doubt whether it was a good idea or whether I should ever take drugs again, etc.... till there's the point where I know if I don't accept it all now I'm doomed forever... and invariably I do accept it all and I get reconciled with myself... has worked over a hundred times in the last few years, without fail except for DOx compounds, which on the 3 trials I have had with them left me feeling insecure and unwell on many levels for a number of days.

Having said all that, the most comfortable trips for me sure come from a place of rest and calm and peace as a starting point. On the days when drugs lure despite me being pretty centered (kinda rare, though- seems when I am centered the desire to ingest is far less pronounced cos I am not seeking, happy to "just be" as I am) I def. have the most enjoyable trips. There have been a few of those recently again, and I am hoping for more. feeling peaceful yet curious enough to go have my ego-cage rattled a bit ... knowing I will probably be able to let go easily when it all starts crashing down on me or dissolving (tryptamines) or warping and deconstructing itself (phenethylamines).

 

[Jamshyd]

^ I can see your point, Ximot.

I find there is no need for psychedelics when I am in a calm state of mind, because I "remember" all the insight I have gained from all my trips. In fact, last year I only tripped 4 or 5 times. The catch-22 is something you seemed to be hinting at - is that psychedelics are most helpful when one needs to work through difficulties, and yet these difficulties themselves stand in the way of taking a psychedelic...

That is percisely why I MUCH prefer dissociatives.

Btw... 6 more votes till the 100 target! Come on people!! :D

 

[gloggawogga]

The catch-22 is something you seemed to be hinting at - is that psychedelics are most helpful when one needs to work through difficulties, and yet these difficulties themselves stand in the way of taking a psychedelic...

I personally find psychedelics like sailing against the wind. I can't head straight into it. I have to cut at an angle and tack periodically, going in a zig zag. Its work.

That is percisely why I MUCH prefer dissociatives.

If find dissociatives more like sailing with the wind...smooth sailing

Anyways I finally voted, with a 'yes'. I'd like to reemphasize though that the mushroom anxiety is always lurking in me, even when I'm sober. I can feel it right now. Its like a little anxiety button in me waiting to be pushed, but I keep it protected. When I take mushrooms, the button becomes raw and exposed.

 

[Peppermint Fear]

I've had anxiety since my DXM trip. Baad anxiety. But not thinking about it had made it go almost fully away... I guess that's pretty much how anxiety works, though =)

 

[Jamshyd]

Ok, so I'm impatient . We now have 99 votes!

I've been following this poll since it started (actually had a separate window for it and kept hitting refresh!). The results are strikingly consistent...

The ratio of those who find Psilocybe Mushroom trips more prone to aggrivate anxiety to those who don't is 3:2.

This is concluded that out of 100 participants, 60% (rounded up to the nearest full number) agree that Psilocybin trips are more prone to anxiety attacks than any other psychedelic they have tried.

I think this is important since I find many people recommending mushrooms as a good introduction to psychedelics, whereas in fact there is a significant chance of the trip turning stressful, therefore turning people off psychedelics when they could have found them useful had it not been for starting with a difficult one.

I'll be quoting this poll every time someone recommends mushrooms to a beginner.

 

[Air]

Ok, so I'm impatient . We now have 99 votes!

I've been following this poll since it started (actually had a separate window for it and kept hitting refresh!). The results are strikingly consistent...

The ratio of those who find Psilocybe Mushroom trips more prone to aggrivate anxiety to those who don't is 3:2.

This is concluded that out of 100 participants, 60% (rounded up to the nearest full number) agree that Psilocybin trips are more prone to anxiety attacks than any other psychedelic they have tried.

I think this is important since I find many people recommending mushrooms as a good introduction to psychedelics, whereas in fact there is a significant chance of the trip turning stressful, therefore turning people off psychedelics when they could have found them useful had it not been for starting with a difficult one.

I'll be quoting this poll every time someone recommends mushrooms to a beginner.

I think the reason as to why people use mushrooms as their first psychedelic is the fact that it's "from nature". And not a chemical i.e powder/crystals.
My first trip was on shrooms. 0.5g Copelandia and I was blown away, it wasn't too intense and my love was a fact.

It also easier to buy shrooms over the net, then RC's.

 

[Jamshyd]

I think the reason as to why people use mushrooms as their first psychedelic is the fact that it's "from nature". And not a chemical i.e powder/crystals.
My first trip was on shrooms. 0.5g Copelandia and I was blown away, it wasn't too intense and my love was a fact.

It also easier to buy shrooms over the net, then RC's.

That is true, unfortunately.

LSD seems to be coming back. But LSD's main drawback as an alternative to shrooms is its long duration.

Ketamine is perfect in MY experience, although I know there is a 50/50 chance that one may hate it, plus, it is a dissociative, making it an invalid intro to psychedelics...

Cute avatar btw . Are you from/have you been to Toronto, by any chance, if I may ask?

 

[psillocybin]

In my experience, with many mushroom trips and one acid trip, I always had anxiety. With the mushrooms it is horrible, almost all-engulfing anxiety during the come-on...with the acid it came on in waves, but I felt I was in much more control of it.

I voted YES

 

[killo]

I've noticed over the years that anxiety generally manifests itself physically around the solar plexus area, and when a person feels that kind of nervous energy there, it's associated with anxiety.

Yea I get that nervous feeling when on acid, but no actual anxiety to go with it.

I don't think shrooms could produce more anxiety neccesarily than others(like acid). It's person to peson. I've heard that some people get calmer trips on shrooms and more anxiety/bad trips/ on acid.

 

[slippy sleeveen]

I never had trouble with mushrooms until my last trip with them. I had a 8 hour roller coaster ride of panic and bliss, but mostly panic. Not anxiety, but sheer fucking panic. Death was not a far off thought in my mind. I do believe that my MDMA session the night before had some play in this, though.

 

[alucard369]

Well, w/ me, its not an anticipation or preoccupation with effects of the mushrooms that give me anxiety, it is the drug itself. I'm aware of all the toxicity stuff, and I am more experienced with them any other psychedelic.

I've also gone way over the top and taken 8g of pretty strong stuff, and eaten quarter sacks fairly frequently. Thats not dicksizing - it very well might have something to do with the anxiety they provoke. I've had experiences that went way beyond mind-shattering, to the point where it felt like I lived out entire alternate lives while under the influence. Its really a lot to soak in.

you must get crappy shrooms if you have to take 8g. either that or you have a massive tolerance. try home grown

 

[alucard369]

I never had trouble with mushrooms until my last trip with them. I had a 8 hour roller coaster ride of panic and bliss, but mostly panic. Not anxiety, but sheer fucking panic. Death was not a far off thought in my mind. I do believe that my MDMA session the night before had some play in this, though.

it sux when things get to that stage. feels like the worst trauma one could ever go through.

 

[slippy sleeveen]

True, but the funny thing is, I had an oxy in my hand the entire time...I could of aborted the trip or atleast made it better the entire time, but I chose to ride out because I decided I was going to ingest the mushrooms the day after ecstasy and I was going to learn my lesson and not just bail out like some spineless tit.


Did I learn my lesson?






Fucking right I did