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Proposing MDMA as something beneficial to my parents.
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Darksidesam
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Thats what view i have on things i take, what if when i die there is no after life or anything and its just blank, i want to live life to quite the fullest in those aspects
Not sure how to put this across to a person who has Never used drugs and probably never will, as one can not understand until they have tried
NoloG
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Thats what view i have on things i take, what if when i die there is no after life or anything and its just blank, i want to live life to quite the fullest in those aspects
Not sure how to put this across to a person who has Never used drugs and probably never will, as one can not understand until they have tried
I agree wholeheartedly. Live life guy.
I'm seeking my freedom. Soon I'll be out the nest.
OP stated that she already knows about his use, so I don't think that would be an issue haha
NoloG
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I believe she was going to narcotic anonymous classes for reasons I don't understand, I guess she just wanted to hear their stories but I suspect they misled her or misinformed her.
Tomorrow I have a "petition for involuntary commitment for assessment & stabilization (treatment) of substance abuse impairment.."
It's like their treating me like an animal. "Involuntary". I don't even have a choice. Wish me luck. I don't need treatment. I don't know if they're just trying to make money off us or what.
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trainwreckmolly
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show her this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjvNCijeYlI
ecstasy rising, done by peter jennings. it's one of the most legit documentaries produced by mass media. there are 5 parts to the video, make sure you both sit down together and watch all of them. get her to differentiate between the people in the documentary who have done it, and those who haven't. clearly the DEA people in the video who have never done it don't know WTF they're talking about. they are the uneducated brainwashed who don't know the real story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjvNCijeYlI
ecstasy rising, done by peter jennings. it's one of the most legit documentaries produced by mass media. there are 5 parts to the video, make sure you both sit down together and watch all of them. get her to differentiate between the people in the documentary who have done it, and those who haven't. clearly the DEA people in the video who have never done it don't know WTF they're talking about. they are the uneducated brainwashed who don't know the real story.
Bsiren
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I share this often. It's a beautiful story written by a 50 year old man who was introduced to MDMA by his 19 year old son, and talks about how grateful he is that MDMA came into their lives: http://http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/jul/14/books.guardianreview?mobile-redirect=false
I introduced my own dad to MDMA less than a year ago, I introduced it to my brother 2 years ago, and I was introduced to it by my best friend who is now my fiancé 3 years ago. MDMA is a beautiful gift to share with those you love, so long as their health a mental condition permits.
I introduced my own dad to MDMA less than a year ago, I introduced it to my brother 2 years ago, and I was introduced to it by my best friend who is now my fiancé 3 years ago. MDMA is a beautiful gift to share with those you love, so long as their health a mental condition permits.
rave_itsrealfun!!!
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look at things from her perspective. she has a son who she loves and he is ranting and raving about this lab chemical, mdma, that he says is a wonderful and life changing experience. she reads about it, and discovers that it is extremely harmful to the body, notably the brain, and a lot of people, "ravers", use it time and time again and eventually suffer severe long term mental health issues from it. she has never used a mind altering chemical before, and therefore probably fears them and has no idea that new experiences like those acquired from drugs tend to enhance one's perspective on life.
some people are never going to understand, it's best not to try and convince her otherwise. i have a mom who is clueless as to why anybody would ever smoke pot, and she pretty much thinks i'm a depressed lunatic for smoking it daily. i once tried to help her change her ignorant view but now i don't say shit. your mom probably doesn't understand that as floored as people get on mdma, it kills things like shyness, anxiety and depression and allows one to experience complete freedom in the world of social things for a night. it's not a drug for getting fucked up on. she might not even notice you were high, she might just find herself wondering why you're in such a great mood you know? having this experience can change someone permanently and spark a desire to live life to the fullest, at all times, without relying on drugs. or, for the foolish, it can spark a desire to roll time after time. i for one these days try to be as compassionate to others as i am when i'm high on mdma. however, the path to this is not through repeated use of mdma.
what you may not understand is as fun as mdma is, it fries more brains than any other drug on the face of the earth. it's harder on the brain than anything and if you use it repeatedly, your brain will never be the same whether you notice it or not. she definately has a point. some people who have used it less than you suffer severe long term problems from it. nothing can make them happy, nothing at all, except the idea of using drugs. or even worse, they can pretty much become retarded. i have used it maybe 30 times and i will never use it again and consider myself lucky that i haven't fried my brain. using it more than a few times isn't going to get you anywhere, it's just going to damage your body and mind. i would quit while you're ahead and pursue other drugs that arn't shown to blow away massive amounts of seretonin, overworking that part of your brain that is responsible for all the love in your life.
some people are never going to understand, it's best not to try and convince her otherwise. i have a mom who is clueless as to why anybody would ever smoke pot, and she pretty much thinks i'm a depressed lunatic for smoking it daily. i once tried to help her change her ignorant view but now i don't say shit. your mom probably doesn't understand that as floored as people get on mdma, it kills things like shyness, anxiety and depression and allows one to experience complete freedom in the world of social things for a night. it's not a drug for getting fucked up on. she might not even notice you were high, she might just find herself wondering why you're in such a great mood you know? having this experience can change someone permanently and spark a desire to live life to the fullest, at all times, without relying on drugs. or, for the foolish, it can spark a desire to roll time after time. i for one these days try to be as compassionate to others as i am when i'm high on mdma. however, the path to this is not through repeated use of mdma.
what you may not understand is as fun as mdma is, it fries more brains than any other drug on the face of the earth. it's harder on the brain than anything and if you use it repeatedly, your brain will never be the same whether you notice it or not. she definately has a point. some people who have used it less than you suffer severe long term problems from it. nothing can make them happy, nothing at all, except the idea of using drugs. or even worse, they can pretty much become retarded. i have used it maybe 30 times and i will never use it again and consider myself lucky that i haven't fried my brain. using it more than a few times isn't going to get you anywhere, it's just going to damage your body and mind. i would quit while you're ahead and pursue other drugs that arn't shown to blow away massive amounts of seretonin, overworking that part of your brain that is responsible for all the love in your life.
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xtcnation
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how did you end up in court, did they put you on a possession charge or something? my advice would be not to consume mdma in your home especially when she is there. i can imagine that completely killing your buzz anyway. try and enjoy it behind her back, its more trouble than its worth trying to convert her into believing its ok.
chitown rollin
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First off there is no acid-based pills... its just a silly rumor. If you felt they had acid in them it was most likely a substance such as MDA.
I don't know if there is any way you can convince your mom that MDMA is good for you. All of the propaganda surrounding the drug makes it a parent's worst nightmare. I have been fairly clean now for a while (With the exception of a few slip ups), and my parents can finally see that most of the BS surrounding MDMA is just that... BS.
I think it will be really hard, if not impossible, to make a parent see this... especially one who has never touched any chemicals. If you feel that MDMA is beneficial to your life, then go on taking it without telling her. If you feel bad about that, then I don't really know what to tell you. Convincing someone that something that is viewed by society as harmful as Ecstasy is is very challenging. Besides telling her how you it makes you feel/think during and afterwards, explaining to her how it works (she probably thinks it melts holes in your brain), and the precautions you take harm reduction techniques you apply there really isn't much you can say IMO. Good luck you sound like a good enough kid/person that this shouldn't be happening to you.
I don't know if there is any way you can convince your mom that MDMA is good for you. All of the propaganda surrounding the drug makes it a parent's worst nightmare. I have been fairly clean now for a while (With the exception of a few slip ups), and my parents can finally see that most of the BS surrounding MDMA is just that... BS.
I think it will be really hard, if not impossible, to make a parent see this... especially one who has never touched any chemicals. If you feel that MDMA is beneficial to your life, then go on taking it without telling her. If you feel bad about that, then I don't really know what to tell you. Convincing someone that something that is viewed by society as harmful as Ecstasy is is very challenging. Besides telling her how you it makes you feel/think during and afterwards, explaining to her how it works (she probably thinks it melts holes in your brain), and the precautions you take harm reduction techniques you apply there really isn't much you can say IMO. Good luck you sound like a good enough kid/person that this shouldn't be happening to you.
Seyer
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As trainwreckmolly mentioned, Ecstasy Rising is quite possibly the best documentary about MDMA ever. Lot of good info about it. Dance Safes MDMA page is also a good source of info.
Not true. Yes, MDMA does cause neurotoxicity when abused but the brain is built to heal itself over time when it is damaged. Serotonin does come back with time, depending on the persons level of abuse. No one is abusing like this this guy, who has been in recovery for 12 years. Its not accurate at all to say that the brain will never be the same even with moderate abuse. Im diagnosed with depression and I abused MDMA for 3 months, every friday and saturday. Then took a 2 month break, and then abused every weekend for another 2 months and felt no side effects. This isnt the case for everyone though, one use of MDMA can leave someone feeling horrible for a month. It all depends on the person. Oh, and methamphetamine is more neurotoxic than MDMA. That I can personally vouch for.
Not true. Yes, MDMA does cause neurotoxicity when abused but the brain is built to heal itself over time when it is damaged. Serotonin does come back with time, depending on the persons level of abuse. No one is abusing like this this guy, who has been in recovery for 12 years. Its not accurate at all to say that the brain will never be the same even with moderate abuse. Im diagnosed with depression and I abused MDMA for 3 months, every friday and saturday. Then took a 2 month break, and then abused every weekend for another 2 months and felt no side effects. This isnt the case for everyone though, one use of MDMA can leave someone feeling horrible for a month. It all depends on the person. Oh, and methamphetamine is more neurotoxic than MDMA. That I can personally vouch for.
rave_itsrealfun!!!
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In the past, I was careless with my use and have done shit like went out 4 nights in a row rolling, which I managed because it was my first experience with it. After I came to this site, I would drop 100 mg or so and have a great night, but prior to that I would be snorting the stuff all night long, like, using it way too frequently in too high doses. I've never felt any side effects and I do believe it's pretty safe. At least at first; I quit before things got bad. If I didn't stop, I would probably be retarded at this point.
I know seretonin replenishes but there can still be permanent changes to that area of your brain. You can't assume that all the connections are grown back the same as they were before. As well, there is the issue of tolerance. MDMA users have experienced positive emotions so much, to such an extent, that the brain can develop a tolerance to these positive feelings. The whole seretonin system is overworked, too much pressure is put on it, seretonin wasn't meant to be blown away like that, and it's obviously really terrible for it. You know, like you've been so darn happy so much that you can get a little sick of the whole thing. And with meth, well, people know what they are getting into with that shit. These days, there are so many happy-go-lucky ravers around that will drop mdma every weekend and expect, cause it makes them so happy, that there can't possibly be anything wrong with it. Where I'm from, it's pretty much become the new fad.
I know seretonin replenishes but there can still be permanent changes to that area of your brain. You can't assume that all the connections are grown back the same as they were before. As well, there is the issue of tolerance. MDMA users have experienced positive emotions so much, to such an extent, that the brain can develop a tolerance to these positive feelings. The whole seretonin system is overworked, too much pressure is put on it, seretonin wasn't meant to be blown away like that, and it's obviously really terrible for it. You know, like you've been so darn happy so much that you can get a little sick of the whole thing. And with meth, well, people know what they are getting into with that shit. These days, there are so many happy-go-lucky ravers around that will drop mdma every weekend and expect, cause it makes them so happy, that there can't possibly be anything wrong with it. Where I'm from, it's pretty much become the new fad.
augustaB
Bluelighter
I love the idea of a "one tract mind". I guess I'd sooner have a unitarian tract than a mormon tract ...
But more to the point: how old are you? Have you reached legal majority? Are you financially independent of your parent(s)?
If the answer is No, then you've got to put up and shut up.
Once you are old enough and don't depend on your parents you can do pretty much what you want.
No way your mum is going to understand about taking "drugs". You're her baby and she's trying to protect you. BUT there is virtually nothing in the world you can do that's going to make her stop loving you. And when it comes down to it she's the only mum you'll ever have in your entire life.
chitown rollin
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^ That
NoloG
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Honest Abe.
well I was involved in an accident that was setup (two cars stopped at a red light, light turned green, both did not move, i tried to squeeze in between them to pass the intersection (dumb move on my part) and I grazed the side of his car. I even have pictures.) I began to get emotional while I waited for the person to call the police (I only scratched him I swear.)
The guy was shaking hands with random people in the streets I suspect him of selling stuff too...wink wink.
The police didn't even show up, only a security car and a DT (undercover cop) showed up.
I had a gold crucifix and being a somewhat spiritual person I put it in my mouth as I waited. I passed the sobriety test and my parents picked me up because they wouldn't let me drive home in my shooken condition.
The family of the person I scratched showed up and they accused me of swallowing mdma at the scene which is absurd. They must have saw me put my trinket in my mouth and thought I swallowed drugs or something.
It's been downhill from there. The family has been threatening to sue us for 10 grand and says that I slammed him from the back. It's been a nightmare.
St. Patrick family. Ahem.. 8)
I don't think my parents are ever going to believe me. I'm confident that something good will come of this.
Ahem..
well I was involved in an accident that was setup (two cars stopped at a red light, light turned green, both did not move, i tried to squeeze in between them to pass the intersection (dumb move on my part) and I grazed the side of his car. I even have pictures.) I began to get emotional while I waited for the person to call the police (I only scratched him I swear.)
The guy was shaking hands with random people in the streets I suspect him of selling stuff too...wink wink.
The police didn't even show up, only a security car and a DT (undercover cop) showed up.
I had a gold crucifix and being a somewhat spiritual person I put it in my mouth as I waited. I passed the sobriety test and my parents picked me up because they wouldn't let me drive home in my shooken condition.
The family of the person I scratched showed up and they accused me of swallowing mdma at the scene which is absurd. They must have saw me put my trinket in my mouth and thought I swallowed drugs or something.
It's been downhill from there. The family has been threatening to sue us for 10 grand and says that I slammed him from the back. It's been a nightmare.
St. Patrick family. Ahem.. 8)
I don't think my parents are ever going to believe me. I'm confident that something good will come of this.
Ahem..
chitown rollin
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I'm having a really hard time understanding why this would happen to you. So you do take MDMA (7 times), and this family accused you of swallowing MDMA... why would they do that? This seems kind of fishy to me... Normal people get into car accidents, the cops come, and get get a ticket. Usually they don't get a sobriety test and accused of taking MDMA. Anyways that is so random that they would accuse you of swallowing MDMA as opposed to say marijuana or cocaine? I kind of feel like there is something that you are leaving out here. That's just me though.