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Opioids Proper codeine extraction from Fioricet with Codeine capsules?

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Conflicting reports on this subject have been observed from doing local and broad internet searches and thus this post is being made. Reports about Butalbial being both highly water soluble and extremely non-soluble are noted, as well as conflicting extraction techniques. Safety requires a proper answer in regards to how to (if possible) extract this substance and the APAP from Fioricet with Codeine.

Now then, if a person were to want to extract only the codeine (though caffeine with the codeine would be acceptable if required) from Fioricet with Codeine capsules (Butalbital/APAP/Caffeine/Codeine) how would one go about this properly? Due to conflicting reports on process and solubility factors, the exact procedure (if even possible) is in question. Does a standard cold water extraction work in this regard? Thanks in advance for any help.
 
amapola said:
So a good CWE with no more than 50ml of water or so seems theoretically fine (assuming 80mg of butalbital is acceptable).

If you are interested in a fancy chemical extraction this http://www.pharmacopeia.cn/v29240/usp29nf24s0_alpha-2-11.html has some other solvent solubilities.
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Ok, so 50ml of water equates to only 0.05 liters, and is not exactly a lot when it comes to dissolving the content of a full pill(s) (less than one when it comes to only 50ml water) of Fioricet with Codeine (or anything else really).

So, since possible, it was decided to measure out MANY different piles of the very small amount of unaltered Fioricet with Codeine for use with the minuscule 50ml of water per cold water extraction (there is plenty of lab equipment available including everything needed to perform this absolute ridiculousness). There ended up being a stupidly and unbelievably, annoyingly large amount of separate extractions (considering the small amount of powder required for each exaction this is obvious).

It ended up that what should have been approximately 300mg of Codeine was taken, which with the current fairly small tolerance status should have been a MORE than adequate dose... Turns out, what is felt is a hell of a lot of affect from Butalbital (a fuck load more than desired). In fact, most of the affect is from Butalbital and this is outrageously annoying!!! It is overpowering and a very lame, unwanted, shit hole of all drugs feeling/experience. Butalbital is one of the worst recreational drugs (which actually provides a conscious affect) out of all drugs in existence.

What could have gone wrong? Are there any recommendations? Is it simply not worth the effort to do cold water extractions with Fioricet with Codeine. Has ANYONE actually had good success with extracting enough Codeine to the point where Codeine is responsible for the majority of affect after ingestion of extraction solution or is the need to concede in order? Perhaps using just a couple full Fioricet with Codeine capsules at a time to merely potentiate other opiates is the only logical outcome?

edit: formatting... argh
 
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So a good CWE with no more than 50ml of water or so seems theoretically fine (assuming 80mg of butalbital is acceptable).
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80mg of butalbital will have considerable effect, assuming the user has no barbiturate or benzo cross-tolerance. Will make for quite the sleepy codeine experience.
 
Fuck it all! What will be done is spending the money on the chemicals and materials needed (won't be extremely expensive) to do a procedure that will contain over 90% Codeine in the final yield. As far as can be expected, it's not thought that cold water extraction techniques are adequate at all when mostly Codeine is desired in the final product when it comes to Fioricet with Codein.

It's going to be a week or two before all the crap ordered from the internet arrives, but when it does, you people can expect a scientific journal style paper/procedure bluelight post (obviously with the results) on the whole thing. There is a fuck load Fioricet with Codeine available (literally HUNDREDS which have been very recently obtained) for all this and the idea of codeine going to waste is something that must be forbidden!

Any feedback, advice, ideas, questions, general chat or whatever is welcome in the time being before chemical extraction and results are posted! Wish luck upon the person doing all this who isn't me cough cough akem akem cough cough.
 
OP. The reasons why CWEs work is because you are using low amounts of water. You don't want everything to dissolve because the stuff that doesn't dissolve is the insoluble filler and actives that you don't want.

The solubility of butalbital is 170mg/100ml and APAP is 1000mg/100ml.

That means that for every 100ml of solution you drink you are going to get that much of both in your body at least. Whether or not you do multiple extractions or not all that matters it the total volume you end up ingesting. I really don't think you understand this concept if you were trying to get everything to dissolve and therefore did ten 50ml extractions and drank them all. You would have consumed somewhere around half a gram of butalbital and 5g of APAP (i.e. you consumed half a liter of solution).

Try reading the CWE megathread as listed in the OD Directory linked in my signature.
 
amapola said:
OP. The reasons why CWEs work is because you are using low amounts of water. You don't want everything to dissolve because the stuff that doesn't dissolve is the insoluble filler and actives that you don't want.

The solubility of butalbital is 170mg/100ml and APAP is 1000mg/100ml.

That means that for every 100ml of solution you drink you are going to get that much of both in your body at least. Whether or not you do multiple extractions or not all that matters it the total volume you end up ingesting. I really don't think you understand this concept if you were trying to get everything to dissolve and therefore did ten 50ml extractions and drank them all. You would have consumed somewhere around half a gram of butalbital and 5g of APAP (i.e. you consumed half a liter of solution).

Try reading the CWE megathread as listed in the OD Directory linked in my signature.
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So basically, there isnt any even remotely feasible way of getting enough butalbital extracted regardless of how much water is used (whether 50ml or 50 gallons) by performing a cold water extraction for it to be worth it then right?

Also, jfyi papers obtained from the University of Maryland which turn color when dipped in solution that contains APAP were used and they barely turned color (just barely visible color change) in my final solution (which I combined into one container) and yet when an extra strength tylenol is crushed up and mixed/dissolved in approximately 1 liter of distilled water it immediately turns color as much as it possibly can. Nothing was in the distilled water before an extra strength tylenol was dissolved.
 
I'm curious about all this as well. Is there any possible way to use a CWE to have a final solution contain perhaps 300 mg Codeine but less than 100 mg Butalbital and have the majority of the APAP filtered out? If this is possible, can someone please break it down in general terms as to how much water and pills to use? Each Fioricet with Codeine has 50mg Butalbital, 30 mg Codeine, 325 mg APAP, and 40 mg Caffeine.
 
From what I've read on it's solubility it's completely possible. Use 10pills with 50ml of water.

You'll end up with a solution containing about (theoretically):
-300mg codeine
-500mg APAP
-85mg butalbital
-400mg caffeine

The solution will have a lot of other insoluble gunk but that is the stuff you want to filter out. Just be sure you grind up your pills nice and fine beforehand. You could also use the method in the youtube video linked in the CWE Megathread here.
 
amapola said:
From what I've read on it's solubility it's completely possible. Use 10pills with 50ml of water.

You'll end up with a solution containing about (theoretically):
-300mg codeine
-500mg APAP
-85mg butalbital
-400mg caffeine

The solution will have a lot of other insoluble gunk but that is the stuff you want to filter out. Just be sure you grind up your pills nice and fine beforehand. You could also use the method in the youtube video linked in the CWE Megathread here.
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Ok, it just seems like 10 pills is WAYYYYYYYYY WAYYYYYYYYYYY WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too much powder for only 50ml of water. 50ml water isn't even close to being a mouthful of water jfyi. I have a gigantic mondo ultra super pile from 10 Fioricets with Codeine... it's enough powder to reach a height many times higher that the water does in an identical container. I guess what happens then, is the huge amount of powder is mixed in with the absurdly small amount of water, mixed/shook/whatever hardcore and the goodies are extracted while everything else is left behind????

Honestly, 50ml of water doesn't even seem like it's enough water to be able to contain and I quote:

-300mg codeine
-500mg APAP
-85mg butalbital
-400mg caffeine
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I mean... how can a couple sips of water contain that much substance?

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NeighborhoodThreat said:
It's dissolved...water can contain a lot of dissolved solids, its quite an efficient solvent actually
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Well, that is certainly true about water, but it just seems at first thought that it's a lot of drugs for just 50ml water but I've never actually needed to do a CWE before.

All the stuff I've done has involved things like extractions of substances from plants, conversions of one substance to another substance, attaching functional groups onto a particular opiate etc etc. I'm all self-learned, and now that I think about it, 50ml is probably more than enough to contain 500mg APAP ,400mg Caffeine, 300mg Codeine, and 85mg Butalbital. I kinda feel stupid now for my comment about how it seems it would have been too much substance for 50ml water. Oh well... not the first time I've embarrassed myself.
 
I've done Cold Water Extraction with hydros 10/325 and 5/325's. So that's the only process I know.
This is what I did and now I'm feeling the codeine more than the Butabital/fiorinal.
Same as with the Vic's.
-Cut the tip of the capsules, pour on to folded paper. I didn't crush bc it's already powdered.
-Pour into Luke warm water.
-Stir 50-75 times. Give or take till the particles are not clumped.
-Place in freezer for 25-30 min depending on freezer temp, use timer.
-Use two sheets of paper towels, fold over each other, then half it and half it again.
-water paper towel.
-I rung out the paper towel to make it less moist but I'm sure it works if you don't.
-place Paper towel in a filter position over medium to tall glass.
-After timer is done, take concoction and pour immediately into home made filter. (Paper towel)
-Do not rush. Try to make the filtered water as clear as possible.
-afterwards, ring out paper towel into glass Slowly! Make the filtration work better.
-enjoy!
I know there's probably caffeine and Fiorinal in it but after 20 minutes I feel pretty good. That fiorinal taken regularly makes me drowsy. I've been withdrawing from hydro 10/325 and with/out the CWE. I had massive energy spurts but intense drowsiness. Now I feel great. Good luck and remember, take your time. The wait helps the end results. :)
 
Mox said:
I've done Cold Water Extraction with hydros 10/325 and 5/325's. So that's the only process I know.
This is what I did and now I'm feeling the codeine more than the Butabital/fiorinal.
Same as with the Vic's.
-Cut the tip of the capsules, pour on to folded paper. I didn't crush bc it's already powdered.
-Pour into Luke warm water.
-Stir 50-75 times. Give or take till the particles are not clumped.
-Place in freezer for 25-30 min depending on freezer temp, use timer.
-Use two sheets of paper towels, fold over each other, then half it and half it again.
-water paper towel.
-I rung out the paper towel to make it less moist but I'm sure it works if you don't.
-place Paper towel in a filter position over medium to tall glass.
-After timer is done, take concoction and pour immediately into home made filter. (Paper towel)
-Do not rush. Try to make the filtered water as clear as possible.
-afterwards, ring out paper towel into glass Slowly! Make the filtration work better.
-enjoy!
I know there's probably caffeine and Fiorinal in it but after 20 minutes I feel pretty good. That fiorinal taken regularly makes me drowsy. I've been withdrawing from hydro 10/325 and with/out the CWE. I had massive energy spurts but intense drowsiness. Now I feel great. Good luck and remember, take your time. The wait helps the end results. :)
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Edit: after 20 minutes the codeine wore off a little and the butalbital took effect sadly. Now after an hour it's leveling off. For some odd reason, butalbital gives me massive restless leg syndrome. Like hardcore, wanna run a mile or shake my leg frantically.
:(
 
Mox said:
I've done Cold Water Extraction with hydros 10/325 and 5/325's. So that's the only process I know.
This is what I did and now I'm feeling the codeine more than the Butabital/fiorinal.
Same as with the Vic's.
-Cut the tip of the capsules, pour on to folded paper. I didn't crush bc it's already powdered.
-Pour into Luke warm water.
-Stir 50-75 times. Give or take till the particles are not clumped.
-Place in freezer for 25-30 min depending on freezer temp, use timer.
-Use two sheets of paper towels, fold over each other, then half it and half it again.
-water paper towel.
-I rung out the paper towel to make it less moist but I'm sure it works if you don't.
-place Paper towel in a filter position over medium to tall glass.
-After timer is done, take concoction and pour immediately into home made filter. (Paper towel)
-Do not rush. Try to make the filtered water as clear as possible.
-afterwards, ring out paper towel into glass Slowly! Make the filtration work better.
-enjoy!
I know there's probably caffeine and Fiorinal in it but after 20 minutes I feel pretty good. That fiorinal taken regularly makes me drowsy. I've been withdrawing from hydro 10/325 and with/out the CWE. I had massive energy spurts but intense drowsiness. Now I feel great. Good luck and remember, take your time. The wait helps the end results. :)
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P.s. Canada Dry Ginger ale takes a lot of that taste away. Yeah you lose the carbonation but not as bad. Just a nasty aftertaste.
 
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