Project Prevention pays addicts 300$ to be sterilized

This happens because the world population is increasing at too high of a rate.

They're trying to buy time figuratively this way, and it won't really work out. For now, it's a way for us to make a quick buck.

Except my sterility is not worth $300, fuck that BS.

i never looked at it that way, as a way to buy time to figure out over population.

i always was looking at this as keeping children from being born in crack houses and having emotional and psychological problems the rest of their lives.

but a great point you have
 
I can't believe you people haven't heard that the world's population is trending downward and will soon be decreasing.
 
This is Barbara Harris founder of Project Prevention. I am AMAZED at the negative comments we are receiving to be honest. I want to try to clear a few up if allowed.
#1 Jim Woodhill is listed as a Board member, but the reality is that we haven't heard from him in over 5 years and Chris Brand has NEVER done anything for us! Never met him.
#2 To all of you who have a problem with what we do what are YOU doing? Have you adopted any children born to addicts? I didn't think so!
To me if your not a part of the solution your part of the problem so get out of your desk chair stop wasting time just being negative and do something yourself. If you believe drug treatment is the real problem open one, if you believe these addicts should not be paid to use birth control, ADOPT their children, and if you really have no solution to offer you just enjoy being negative towards those trying to make a difference, PLEASE BE QUIET.
Barbara Harris
 
Hahaha this is the third DiTM thread i've seen where the person in the article has located bluelight and their article. Anyways if it were only permanent solutions then I would have a problem with this but since they offer a few options its not that bad.
 
This is Barbara Harris founder of Project Prevention. I am AMAZED at the negative comments we are receiving to be honest. I want to try to clear a few up if allowed.
#1 Jim Woodhill is listed as a Board member, but the reality is that we haven't heard from him in over 5 years and Chris Brand has NEVER done anything for us! Never met him.
#2 To all of you who have a problem with what we do what are YOU doing? Have you adopted any children born to addicts? I didn't think so!
To me if your not a part of the solution your part of the problem so get out of your desk chair stop wasting time just being negative and do something yourself. If you believe drug treatment is the real problem open one, if you believe these addicts should not be paid to use birth control, ADOPT their children, and if you really have no solution to offer you just enjoy being negative towards those trying to make a difference, PLEASE BE QUIET.
Barbara Harris

I have a few questions. Do you pay people who are WDing to get sterilized? How long does the process of giving payment and getting birth control last? What I mean is, how many meetings do you have with the average participant in your program before you do the procedure? Do you have follow up meetings with the participants? If so, how many, and how long after the procedure are they? Does your organization employ any former addicts in high up positions (do you factor in the perspective of addicts into your plans)? Do you help the addicts find treatment if they want it? Of what race and class are most of the participants ( this is one of the most important questions in my opinion and I'd appreciate percentages if you have them, but if you don't any other measurment would be acceptable)?

By the way a lot of these criticisms that people have made are legitimate, they aren't just people being negative for no reason. You should respond to them, since you've already decided to voice your opinion here and you should know as much if not more about this project then anyone else. I'd also be very interested in hearing how you respond to some of these criticisms. Also just because people are against your methods doesn't mean that they aren't participating in a solution.

You also shouldn't be amazed at the negativity. This is a forum about drugs, and most of the people here are drug users. It's pretty offensive, as a drug user, to hear about people coercing drug users into using birth control. That's why I was wondering if you've ever factored in the user's perspective. I'm not neccesarily against this, I think people should use birth control and I consider having a child you can't support or birthing more then 1 kid to be very irresponsible for anyone, regardless of drug use. I'm not in support of all the people flaming the hell out of you and comparing your program to genocide, but I do think there are some questions that aren't really answered as of now and that should be.
 
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I couldn't be more in favor of this. Sterilize the rest of the planet while you're at it too. Earth is soooooooo ridiculously overpopulated, at this point I think its pretty selfish for anyone to try shoving more people onto a planet thats rapidly running out of space, natural resources, etc. Stops kids from living with poor ass junkie parents, and just generally cuts down on the population, which needs to be done. I think it's a step in the right direction..
 
Is this real?

Do you get $300, but still have to pay for the cost of the vasectomy?

I think this is a great idea. Sterilization is something more people should look into.
 
Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?

[size=+1]Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?[/size]
Barbara Harris thinks they should. She's already started a campaign in America, now she's coming to the UK

Jenny Kleeman
The Guardian, Saturday 12 June 2010


It's overcast in Possilpark, one of the most deprived areas of Glasgow. Outside the pound shops and bookmakers on the high street, Barbara Harris, founder of US charity Project Prevention, is giving out flyers. She hands one to James, a wiry man in his 20s. "I'm from a nonprofit organisation," she tells him. "If you know any drug addicts or alcoholics who could get pregnant, we will pay them £200 to be on long-term birth control."

"I'm a drug addict!" James declares. "You'd give me £200? But I'm a guy…"

"You can have a vasectomy," Harris replies, quick as a flash.

His eyes widen. "Two hundred pounds! You don't get the money today, though, do you?"

"No, you don't get the money until after. Do you know any women who are pregnant and using drugs around here?"

"There are hundreds of women like that around here." He gestures up the road. "Go to the health centre – that's where you'll see them." Harris leaves James studying the flyer. He's grinning, incredulous.

She asks to leave flyers at the NHS health centre reception, but the manager is out, so she's told she'll have to come back. She sticks a few in the railings outside, and props four or five in the soil of a nearby flowerbed. The flyers are hand-cut, on yellow card. There's a photo of a tiny newborn covered in tubes above the slogan, "Every baby deserves a sober start."

Harris doesn't think addicts should have children, and her charity is using cash incentives to make sure they don't. In the 12 years since Project Prevention launched in the US, she has paid 1,307 people $300 to be sterilised, and given money to many more in exchange for long-term contraception. In total, Harris has bought the fertility of more than 3,000 Americans with drug and alcohol problems – only 47 of them men. Now she's turning her attention to Britain.

"To me, it's about preventing child abuse," she says. "This is legal child abuse." Babies are being born in withdrawal, underweight, with serious medical problems, she says, and if they survive, they are destined to a bleak future. "What's the quality of life they're going to have? How many problems are they going to have? The cycle will keep repeating itself. But it's preventable. It's just common sense to me."

It isn't common sense to everyone, though. It feels profoundly unsettling to be walking around one of Britain's poorest districts with a woman who's promising people serious money in exchange for their fertility. As we leave the health centre, I think about how Harris's website says her mission is "to reduce the number of substance-exposed births to zero". If she managed to achieve that goal here, a lot of people in Possilpark wouldn't be able to have children.

In the US, Project Prevention has been compared to the Nazis' eugenics programme, but Harris isn't bothered by her critics. "They are willing to call me Hitler, but what are they doing to help? Are they willing to adopt any of these children that they think should continue to be born? If they're not part of the solution, they're part of the problem. Everybody talks about the right of the woman – what about the rights of the children? They are the victims."

Addicts who decide to take advantage of Harris's offer call the project's hotline and leave their details. They are sent paperwork to take to their doctor, who must verify their drug or alcohol problem. Once they have been sterilised or had a long-term contraceptive fitted, the doctor signs papers to confirm it. When Project Prevention gets the papers back, the addicts get their money. It's a lump sum for those who choose sterilisation; those who go for less permanent birth control are paid in instalments, as long as they can prove the contraceptive is still in place.

Many female addicts opt for sterilisation by tubal ligation. I wonder whether that's because they get the cash sooner, but Harris insists it's because they've already had children and simply don't want more. "Of the last 20 women who've been sterilised, there's been an average of six pregnancies per woman, which I feel is more than enough to keep the human race going," she says. "But a lot of the girls that come to us are 22, 23, 24, and they've probably had two or three children. Those are the ones we're really excited to get, because at least you know they're not going to have another 10 by the time they're in their 30s."

American addicts learn about the programme from flyers and posters, through social workers, prison and probation officers, and from each other. "They get a $50 fee if they refer another addict," Harris says. "That's been a really smart thing that we implemented – who knows drug addicts better than drug addicts?"

She tells me about one occasion when she "went after" a Detroit woman she'd read about in the paper. Her 13th baby had just been taken off life support and she was refusing sterilisation because she wanted more children. "I said, no, she's not going to have any more kids, not if I've got anything to do with it. I called Detroit and asked my volunteers to find her. They offered her $500 to get tubal ligation. The day she had it, I celebrated."

How can she celebrate tracking someone down and forcing sterilisation on her? "I'm proud of it," she beams. "That woman has no right to have her 14th baby. I guarantee that anybody who cares about kids would do the same thing."

Will such an extreme approach take off in the UK? We certainly face similar problems. Official figures show that more than 1,200 newborns are hospitalised every year with neonatal abstinence syndrome, and thousands more are born with alcohol-related problems, often to mothers who have had other children taken into foster care. Two-thirds of children in care have parents with addiction issues; the figure rises to 80% in Scotland. Harris has come to Possilpark because a local woman, a grandmother caring for her heroin-addicted daughter's children, heard her on the radio and emailed saying it was the worst place in the UK for substance abuse. Isn't she scared to be approaching people on the street, in a place she doesn't know at all? She is, at 58, quite slow on her feet and with an accent that makes her rather incongruous here. "We'll be fine," she says.

Harris wasn't always so confident. As a child, she was so shy she barely spoke in class, and left high school without graduating. By 1989, she was a waitress in California with six sons – two with her husband, Smitty, four from their previous relationships – but she craved a daughter. "I knew the only way I was getting a girl would be if I ordered one."

She and Smitty adopted Destiny, an eight-month-old baby born testing positive for addiction to crack, heroin and angel dust. Her birth mother was a long-term drug addict who'd had one child a year for the previous five years, all of them living in different homes. Four months later, Harris got a call telling her Destiny's mother had a newborn boy. Did she want him? They decided to adopt him, too, so Destiny could grow up with her brother.

"I went to the hospital and picked up Isaiah, and he was a mess. Light bothered him, noise bothered him, he couldn't keep food down, he'd sleep for 15 minutes and then wake up screaming. My husband and I had to take shifts with him for a couple of months until he finally adjusted. That's when I got mad. I thought, how could you do this to a baby? Knowing it was the sixth baby she'd done this to – I was beside myself."

Two more children, Taylor and Brandon, were born to the same mother in quick succession, and Harris and Smitty took them on, too. After adopting the four drug-exposed babies, now aged 20, 19, 18 and 17, Harris launched her crusade. First, she tried to have a bill passed in California that would force women who gave birth to substance-exposed babies to be sterilised or put on long-term birth control. The bill wasn't passed, but Harris didn't give up.

"I thought, well, everybody likes money, so how about I just offer drug addicts money to use birth control?" A lawyer from the Los Angeles children's court gave Harris her first donation – $400 – and she put up some posters around LA and Orange County, where she was living. Within a week she had two takers.

Project Prevention now receives more than half a million dollars a year in donations. "I've never had to go looking for money in 12 years," Harris says. "Money has always come to me. People hear about what we're doing and they think it makes sense." One of her biggest donors is the billionaire Republican Richard Scaife, a key financier of the US right.

Harris, however, isn't the rightwing religious zealot many imagine her to be. She believes in God, but doesn't attend church regularly and doesn't see Project Prevention as "God's work". She has been accused of racism because her programme has been heavily used by African-Americans, but her husband is black and her children are either black or mixed race. She is in favour of abortion, but not when used by drug addicts instead of contraception. And although she says she's never tried drugs herself, many close to her have: her father took speed, her brother was a crystal meth addict, and Smitty's brother has been using crack and living on LA's Skid Row for the past 15 years.

The children help run Project Prevention from the family home in Concord, North Carolina. They go on family excursions in a 30ft Project Prevention motor home, adorned with images of critically ill babies under slogans such as "She has her daddy's eyes and her mother's addiction". "It gets people talking," Harris says. "I've had my kids' friends come along, too. We just go out and they pass out flyers. They enjoy it. It's a good experience for my kids because they've seen it for themselves and they know it's nowhere they want to go."

I wonder if she feels compassion for the addicts whose fertility she has bought. What about those who come off drugs and want to start a family? "I think I'm more caring than someone who just ignores what they're doing. These women don't want to be having babies that are taken away from them, because that's something they're going to have to live with for the rest of their lives. If I was strung out on drugs, I'd hope that somebody would stop my irresponsible behaviour."

If anyone regrets being sterilised, one of Harris's donors has promised to pay for the procedure to be reversed. "That's never happened so far," she assures me. She makes it sound simple, but it can be difficult to restore a woman's fertility after tubal ligation. "If it's not reversible, then I don't mind. If you have that regret, that's no different from getting Aids while you're prostituting – it's just something that happened during your addiction, it's a consequence of your acts. I'd feel worse if they didn't get sterilised and they had more kids whose lives were destroyed."

D'Adria Bond, 36, has no regrets – so far. She had tubal ligation a couple of weeks ago after giving birth to a baby girl, Miracle, in a Virginia drug treatment centre. She's been pregnant 11 times by 10 different men, resulting in one miscarriage, four abortions and six children. The only child she has custody of is Miracle. Bond had been using crack and alcohol since 1996, but got clean in January, when she was four months pregnant. "I was spending anywhere from $400 to $500 a week on drugs, and I was stealing to support my addiction," she says. "I came to this drug treatment programme from jail."

Her social worker gave her a Project Prevention application form, but she claims the choice to be sterilised was hers alone. "With my history and my past… I love my baby, I love her to death, and I have a lot of things I need to take care of. I think if I kept having babies, that would hinder me."

While Bond says she wants to spend her $300 on starting a new life with her daughter, Harris accepts that many others will use their Project Prevention money to buy drugs. "That's their choice." She sighs, wearily. "The babies don't have a choice."

Project Prevention has arrived in the UK because of a single donation. The benefactor heard an interview with Harris in February and immediately sent her $20,000. He's a wealthy industrial designer, originally from Washington DC, who's lived in the UK for 10 years with his English wife and two children. He cautiously agreed to an anonymous interview – he's worried that being openly associated with Project Prevention could cause problems for his family.

He has personal reasons for supporting Harris: he was adopted as a baby, and when he tried to trace his birth mother a few years ago, she refused contact. As far as he knows, she didn't have addiction problems, but it's the not knowing that gives him sympathy for Harris's cause. "When I hear of all these kids in foster care, being brought up in very unfortunate circumstances, that resonates with me," he says. He regularly donates to Médecins Sans Frontières, Save The Children, the NSPCC and Amnesty, and sees no conflict between their values and those of Project Prevention. "If there were public services out there taking care of this problem, that would be terrific, but they're not. Until such time as municipal governments can get their hands around this, this kind of programme certainly produces the results."

When Harris announced she was coming to Britain, she received hundreds of messages of support. She shows me emails from child protection solicitors, care workers, policemen and doctors all congratulating her for bringing the campaign over here. She promises all UK donations will be paid to British addicts.

Harris thinks the British are ideal candidates for her approach. After all, we already use money to change people's behaviour: charities paid sex workers to stay off the streets during the time of the 2006 Ipswich murders, she says, and the NHS gives Scottish smokers £50 a month if they quit. But the problem is those cash incentives don't result in permanent, life-changing consequences: once you're sterilised, you can never have children. The British Medical Association will meet in September to discuss the ethics of Harris's campaign, but she's not waiting for anyone's approval. Her 0800 number has been active for weeks. "If someone takes a flyer today, I'll pay them."

Outside the Salvation Army centre on Clyde Street, we meet 35-year-old Emily. She has a broken arm and a bloodied chin, and is so high she can hardly speak. She's also seven months pregnant. This will be her fourth child: her 11-year-old is with her mother, her seven-year-old with her sister and her four-year-old is up for adoption.

"The drugs drag you down. That's what it is," she sobs. "I don't know what I can do."

"I appreciate you letting us talk to you," Harris says, gently.

Emily's looking at the yellow flyer, trying to focus. Does she think it's a good offer?

"Yes, because I don't want to have any more children. I do, but I don't. Right? Because I've lost my third one. It's hard. I want more but I know they'll probably take them away."

It feels terrible to leave Emily outside the Salvation Army, confused and distraught, with nothing more than a flyer. "She wasn't crying because she was a drug addict; she was crying because she's got kids and she's not going to get them back," Harris says.

If she had tubal ligation, her life would still be terrible, I say – she just wouldn't be having more children. "Her life would be better because she wouldn't have to go through any more heartache."

But someone such as Emily is in no position to make serious, life-changing decisions. Shouldn't Harris be encouraging her to have drug treatment instead of buying her fertility? "We could spend all the money we have on drug treatment but the women would still be out there having babies." She sighs. "For every drug-exposed child we can prevent from being conceived, that's millions of dollars that can be used for drug treatment."

Addaction, one of the UK's largest providers of drug treatment, has described her approach as "morally reprehensible and irrelevant", because sex education and contraceptive advice is already part of British rehabilitation programmes. Harris is unconvinced. "Some of these women start taking drugs when they are 17, and they might not seek out drug treatment until 10 or 20 years later. So what do you do during those 10 or 20 years?"

What about the question of informed consent? The addicts may not be in a fit state of mind to give it, so Harris leaves it to doctors to judge whether their patient is able to make a rational decision about something as life-changing as sterilisation. But the doctors aren't told by Project Prevention that their patient will be getting money in exchange for the procedure, so they aren't fully informed of the addict's motivations when they make their assessment. Harris sees no problem with this. "If they want to tell their doctor, that's their choice – we don't communicate with doctors."

"What this is doing is selectively punishing disadvantaged women for being disadvantaged, instead of recognising that their addiction problems have arisen because of issues around their social marginalisation," says Dr Mary Hepburn, consultant obstetrician at the Glasgow Royal Infirmary, who has worked with vulnerable women for more than 20 years. "Women may be good or bad parents for lots of reasons, and most want to have children. There is no group in society that we try to prevent from having children."

You don't know the individual's circumstances, Hepburn points out. "Maternal addiction is not incompatible with adequate childcare. There are lots of other mothers who have parenting difficulties. Why is she selecting people with addiction issues?"

The day Harris leaves the UK, a Scottish newspaper runs a front-page story about her visit to Possilpark: "Mum's Fury After Being Approached In The Street And Offered £200 To Get Sterilised." The report concerns a woman who claims she is not a drug user, yet was stopped by Harris. It says Strathclyde police are calling for anyone who has been approached to contact them.

Project Prevention's British volunteers are twitchy. Their spokesperson, Sara Stocks, wishes Harris had never gone to Glasgow. "Some approaches don't travel," she says, carefully. "What is actually enthusiasm and commitment can look a bit hard-headed, gung-ho and careless when it comes across the Atlantic." Project Prevention UK will be different, she tells me, with a focus on cooperation with existing health, drug and social workers, and a managed media policy.

Like all crusaders, however, Harris is convinced her ends justify her means. Her next project, she says, will be in Haiti. "We're going to offer depo [contraceptive] injections every three months to women in exchange for food cards. The women in Haiti are having children they can't even feed, so why are they getting pregnant? Just think about how much suffering that's going to prevent."

My jaw drops. "Step out of your job here," she implores me. "Give me one logical reason why somebody should conceive a child they can't feed!"

Then she begins talking about women in Africa who have Aids, "My thinking is, why are they having these babies? I'm sorry – tell me that you don't agree! If you know you have Aids, why are you getting pregnant and having babies that you know are going to have Aids? Babies are suffering. It's preventable."

The money behind Harris's campaign gives her enormous power, and she wants to deploy this against some of the most disenfranchised and vulnerable people on the planet. Can't she see how dangerous it is for one person to be able to decide who does and who doesn't have children? "I have the power to prevent child abuse," she says calmly. "It's huge power, and it's power for good. Nobody can convince me otherwise."

• Some names have been changed



Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jun/12/barbara-harris-sterilise-drug-addicts-alcoholics
 
This most recent article is definitely the best I've read on this issue. People tend to blow up about it, so two important points that directly address the issue's "hot buttons" should be considered one more time before leveling judgment.

1. Non-permanent, but long-term (3 months) birth control options are also offered to the women, so the idea that they're being coerced into a necessarily life-changing decision isn't really valid.

2. The only option for men IS permanent sterilization. But the percentage of men who are clients is very small (around 1 percent). If indeed the addicts were so desperate that the offer of money for sterilization was as irresistible and exploitative as critics suggest, shouldn't there be far more male clients? If we assume male and female addicts are equally as desperate for drug money, than the low number of male volunteers suggests that by and large women are making these choices not for the money but because they genuinely don't want to get pregnant.

Also, it's hard to say that the stats on the clients and their kids taken from surveys given to client's before accepting the program's birth control options aren't rich food for thought:

* 14,232 - Total number of pregnancies. (Not including miscarriages)
* 10,124 - Total number of births (some resulted in multiple births).
* 4,224 - Total number of abortions
* 661 - Stillborn births. Also, another 341 had very brief lives, dying soon after birth from complications.
* 5,675- Total number of these children remaining in foster care to date.
 
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I think this is a great idea, except for the issue of deciding which addicts to sterilize. It seems like the population the advertising is catering to is comprised of people who need money right now. Addicts who are permanently prescribed to psychiatric medicines which may have an adverse effect on a baby's health will probably be largely ignored. In America, this large group of people have no moral or financial obligation to consider this offer because their habits fit with normative standards and are paid for by insurance.

Being a child of psychiatry, I construe this charitable movement to be less of an attack on drug users and more of a way to further mold society's addictions into current medical science's sense of ethical treatments.

Introducing this program in the highly litigios United States may have unintended consequences, regardless of the program's intent. Because medical doctors must view people like myself as an addict above all else, even when prescribing pain medication for serious conditions, it would be easy to argue that doctors must be aware that I am allowing you to disfigure my body so that I may have enough money to get high. Otherwise, assuming the doctor and I are total strangers, I would not allow him to operate on my penis - probably not even for a new Playstation. Therefore, because the doctor knows I am using him to perform a surgery that is not necessary so that I may feed my uncontrollable drug addiction disorder, I can probably find a lawyer and a judge who think I have been taken advantage of in the worst way possible: genital mutilation in exchange for my fix, as advertised.
 
So let me get this straight, some of the same people who strongly disagree with the right to abort a pregnancy for whatever reason are heavily condoning the ability to not be able to reproduce altogether?

Shit if i was gonna get sterilized anyway i'd stick myself in the arm a few times and go get payed to get it done!
 
phrozen,

Is the dependence/withdrawal thing specific to opiates only? Does cocaine/crack, meth, nicotine, caffeine, etc, (substances that also create physical dependence) have similar effects? Does this have to do somehow with what substances do/don't pass through the placenta?

Also, do you know the severity of the withdrawals? Are they pretty much full on symptoms? From what I've learned, opiate withdrawal is pretty fucking terrible. Can a baby even survive such severe effects on the body?

This also raises an interesting question. If a mother is shooting up say til month 8 (and assume the baby isn't born early), will the baby go through withdrawals in the womb? A baby all shaking and vomiting on an ultrasound, as terrible as it is, kinda makes me laugh to think about. (I have a dark sense of humor and can pretty much laugh at anything, before I get flamed as some sort of baby hater lol)

I know from hearing a girl that just had a baby talking while in line at the methadone clinic talking about how her baby is going to have to stay in the hospital until they weaned the baby off the methadone,which would be several weeks, so from what it sounds like the withdraw for the baby is pure hell. And to laugh about a fetus puking and trembling because it's withdrawing from drugs is depraved. Not a "dark sense of humor" but a sick sense of humor. Obviously you don't have children. :!
 
I know smackheads in their 20's that would do this just to get the money for gear..

Its fucked up and should be banned.

This organization are basically saying to the addicts "your useless, fucked up and have no hope - the world doesn't want your kids"..

Way to go at giving the addict some self-esteem.

The REALLY sad thing, imo, is that a lot of users will now that they are being made a cunt of (we're not all dumb you know), but STILL go through with it 'cos the're so desperate for drug money.

This thread makes me sad.
 
^Did you read any posts discussing this article before you posted something so extreme yourself? Read my reasoning (taken from a few post's up) based off the project's statistics as to why I think it's unlikely that the money is truly coercive to addicts. I'm not saying I'm right, just that I don't know why I'm essentially wrong.

"The only option for men IS permanent sterilization. But the percentage of men who are clients is very small (around 1 percent). If indeed the addicts were so desperate that the offer of money for sterilization was as irresistible and exploitative as critics suggest, shouldn't there be far more male clients? If we assume male and female addicts are equally as desperate for drug money, than the low number of male volunteers suggests that by and large women are making these choices not for the money but because they genuinely don't want to get pregnant."

If you read the latest article, you'd know they're also targeting 3rd world women with AIDS to prevent them from giving birth to babies with AIDS who the they can't feed. If the project member's motivation was to make addicts feel like shit, why target a group that has nothing to do with them as well?
 
This is Barbara Harris founder of Project Prevention. I am AMAZED at the negative comments we are receiving to be honest. I want to try to clear a few up if allowed.
just enjoy being negative towards those trying to make a difference, PLEASE BE QUIET.
Barbara Harris

[size=+1]Should drug addicts be paid to be sterilised?[/size]
Barbara Harris thinks they should. She's already started a campaign in America, now she's coming to the UK

Jenny Kleeman
The Guardian, Saturday 12 June 2010

So does anybody think that it was really her that made a bluelight account and posted on here?
 
^It seems pretty possible. I typed "'Project Prevention' discussion" into Google and this thread was the 7th result from the top. If she was wondering what people and not just the press thought about the program then typing that in would be a reasonable start. Bluelight is massive, and shows up in my Google results all the time, even for non-drug related searches. We're extremely high profile because we have so many people discussing so many different topics.
 
^Yeah I hear random people mention bluelight quite a bit.

Plus, this is one of the few DiTM threads where there's disagreement.
 
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