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I think that I may have tried this once before but maybe not. What I would like to start is a thread where all of us that are producers/musicians on the boards could pool ideas together to help each other out. Like, say one of us is gonna be DJing or performing in a certain city, you could post it here and ask if anybody else in that city would help you with promo, or if you have a track that you want someone to remix you could post stating so and see if anyone wanted to have a go at it. Me personally, the reason that I'm starting this, is that I think that it would be really cool for some of us to get together and put out a promo disc of all Bluelight material, maybe a few originals and then have those originals remixed by others on the board. The thread is open. Any ideas welcome. Lets start really helping each other out. :)

Thaddeus
 
sounds pretty cool to me, I'd love to work on some remixing duties or even get some of my stuff remixed would be really cool, especially by people i dont know a great deal about their musical influences and stuff im sure we could come up with some really good material.

Putting out on cd shouldnt be hard, just burn a bunch of copies and post them out to whoever wants one..

and depending on genres maybe we could get a few blulight dj's to do a short mixes.. say there are 4 house tracks, 4 hip hop tracks, 4 trance etc then a little mix up with them all on the one cd.. bonanaza!
 
i'm contributing stuff to a few compilation cds that may never come out ;) it's hard to get producers motivated and organized. we're artistic souls.. or just lazy.

anyways, yeah, i'm in if it looks like it'll get off the ground :)
 
does anyone have the capital to do this?

if you're gonna do it, you should do it... not half ass it.. meaning, it should be professionally mastered and replicated CD with printing on the CD and not some home computer copied CD-R with a 72 dpi paper label pasted on it.

even if ppl pooled resources... if there's 20 artists on the compilation, then 20 people can split the cost of the CD dupe... that's alot easier than one person paying for it...

it has to be like this... otherwise, i might as well just dupe my own shit and pass them out...
 
i just put together a whole cd of original stuff, id love to submit something from it for a bL cd :)

this is a good idea...im with you 100% negative
 
physix said:


even if ppl pooled resources... if there's 20 artists on the compilation, then 20 people can split the cost of the CD dupe... that's alot easier than one person paying for it...

it has to be like this... otherwise, i might as well just dupe my own shit and pass them out...
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yeah, this is the way I was thinking as far as a comp would go. Right when I signed up to undergroundhiphop.com the guys there were putting the finishing touches on a CD like this . . . I think that there might have been fifteen people on board . . . . anyways, they had all pooled money together and had a pro duplication run of like 1500 copies (I think, maybe more, maybe less) done. Then they were all distributed equally amongst those who participated.
 
HydrA said:
i just put together a whole cd of original stuff, id love to submit something from it for a bL cd :)
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i think his point is that it's not about just submitting some songs....

it's about taking one's share of the financial responsibility for the product, too. example: if it costs $1500 for 1500 copies, and there's 15 artists involved, each person drops $100.

are you willing to do something like that, is the issue?
 
We could also set up a site for it . . . like an .ftp or even a Bluelight page on Acidplanet or Soundclick where we all post tracks and we all promote it until we got together the capital or enough tracks/interest to be able to afford to do it.
 
And that's why this will never work.

People forget that success costs. But no one has the money. Like Physix said.

$100 per person
15 people.

I got my $100. Post something when you got yours.
 
sounds intersting...The only thing that needs to be worked out is a sort of quality control - how will it be moded to ensure there aren't a bunch of crap tracks on there, that will effect the good ones? Remember there was a 'production contest' on bl not too long ago, and there weren't many entries or votes casted....
 
Dude, I started this thread yesterday . . . lets not get all negative right off the bat . . . we're discussing possibilities . . . what makes you so sure that many of us couldn't come up with a sum of money ($100 was just an example) to get something out? If you can then why can't I or Hydra or NecroTrance or anyone else on the board?

physix was just putting out the question . . . he never said that any of us didn't/wouldn't have the money . . .

And this thread isn't just about putting together a comp, although that was my main motivation behind it and I am gonna work towards getting it done . . . it is for any kind of help . . . you wanna remix somebody, ask here. You want to have one of your tracks remixed by somebody, ask here. You need help promoting a show in a far off town you are going to, ask here if anyone can help . . . what I'm trying to do is to get the producers/musicians on this board to be more of a community . . . working together toward a common goal (that being the progression of what we as a collective feel is good music) is always easier and more fun than going it alone.
 
3rd.space said:
sounds intersting...The only thing that needs to be worked out is a sort of quality control - how will it be moded to ensure there aren't a bunch of crap tracks on there, that will effect the good ones? Remember there was a 'production contest' on bl not too long ago, and there weren't many entries or votes casted....
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I think that that could be worked out . . . we could always move voting into different forums that have much more traffic . . . get permission from the respective forum mods so we could get more votes . . . say the top ten vote getters would be eligible . . . or something else . . . we could just all pick and choose . . . I know that there might be some that would be upset if they weren't chosen if we did it that way, but that's no different than they are gonna be treated if they submit to a label and get rejected . . . hell, at least here it would be democratic and out in the open . . . I for one wouldn't be all that upset if I were rejected but could still help something like this get off of the ground . . . I personally more than anything would like to see something like this as a stepping stone to something else . . . people helping each other out.

Its all open for discussion though . . . if it is meant to be we'll figure a way to do it and keep quality as high as we can. :)
 
I would be willing to contribute some money, maybe not 100 dollars although im sure that there will be people willing to contribuiute that arent going to be featured on the cd, just regular bluelight supporting type people :)

set up a paypal donation drive or something.. seems quite doable to me
 
Negative said:
Dude, I started this thread yesterday . . . lets not get all negative right off the bat . . . we're discussing possibilities . . .
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Man, I wasn't being negative, Negative... I think your being overly defensive. I said it sounds interesting didn't I?

Listen, I'm all about people getting the chance to work with other people, I'd like to see where this goes - but pls don't jump my shit cos I tried to bring up what I thought was a valid point.

Posting it in the other forums is a good idea, and I think there'll be a better respose that way.

Peece.
 
3rd.space said:
Man, I wasn't being negative, Negative... I think your being overly defensive. I said it sounds interesting didn't I?
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I think he was refering to the Stilvoll post which was slightly antagonizing (altho' I do see his point).

I do agree that the edm community is filled with too many thinkers and not enough doers. I would have much more appreciated this post if Negative had just decided "ok, here's what I **AM** gonna do... who's on board." and then had all the particulars ironed out.

Asking what we think will introduce too many cooks... which always spoil the pot.
 
i could mix it together using ableton live and have it all flow to perfection, that way it would work really well as promotional stuff, and no one could rip our tracks to mp3 and share them on slsk so that the whole world has them (and label wouldnt want it due to it not being exclusive)
 
physix said:
I think he was refering to the Stilvoll post which was slightly antagonizing (altho' I do see his point).

I do agree that the edm community is filled with too many thinkers and not enough doers. I would have much more appreciated this post if Negative had just decided "ok, here's what I **AM** gonna do... who's on board." and then had all the particulars ironed out.

Asking what we think will introduce too many cooks... which always spoil the pot.
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aaaaaaaaaah
 
physix said:
I think he was refering to the Stilvoll post which was slightly antagonizing (altho' I do see his point).

I do agree that the edm community is filled with too many thinkers and not enough doers. I would have much more appreciated this post if Negative had just decided "ok, here's what I **AM** gonna do... who's on board." and then had all the particulars ironed out.

Asking what we think will introduce too many cooks... which always spoil the pot.
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Yeah, I was referring to Stilvoll with that post . . . sorry for the confusion . . . :)

. . . and physix, the only reason I didn't just start off that way was that I wanted to start the thread off a little more open . . . I wanted the thread to be about more than just the comp, like people doing remixes for one another and promotion for one another . . . that being said, I am gonna do this so long as there is enough quality interest . . . my friend Chris and I had been thinking about doing something similar with just our friends but none of them seem like they want to go any farther than the talking stage so I decided to bring it to Bluelight, mainly because I know that there are a lot of talented producers on the boards. Details can always be ironed out once the ball is rolling . . . so I'll go ahead and start that ball down the hill. :)


What I was thinking originally was to do twelve tracks. I know from what I have heard in the production thread, in the contest and just from sharing with fellow bluelighters that the majority of the tracks that will be submitted (and that will most likely be on the comp) will be the faster dancefloor stuff: Techno, house, breaks, dnb and trance. I'd like it to be as diverse as possible but I don't think that we should put that ahead of quality. It would be nice to see some tracks that are written by bluelighters and remixed by other bluelighters (hint hint ;) ) . . . so if you have a track that you'd like someone to remix for this, or you have heard a track of someone else's on the board that you would like to remix for this, ask them . . . I don't want this to be too drawn out of a process so I think that six weeks to post submissions would be sufficient . . . I'll see if I can't get this sticky'd in the Lounge, T&A and DC as well (the submission thread that is) so that we can get comments on tracks the minute that they are posted . . . after the six weeks we could have a poll in one forum and let that last a week . . . between the poll results and the comments in all the related threads we as a group can pick the twelve that would go on the disc . . . NOTE: I would suggest that if you don't have any intention of helping with putting this out financially that you don't submit . . . not to be shitty about it but as physix already stated, if we don't do this proper then we might as well be duping CD-Rs ourselves and sending them out . . . I'm going to start looking around for the best deal on quantity CD duplication so that we can have an idea of exactly how much it would cost for how many CDs . . . after we get going we could decide how much each of us is willing to throw down to do this . . . and accordingly that will tell us how many CDs we will get . . . I think that it would be a good idea to send a few of the CDs out, before we divvy them up, to a few music mags and radio stations, maybe try and get some recognition that way . . . say we could earmark 50 discs for this purpose and split the rest evenly . . . if this sounds like a good idea to the rest of you then start gathering places to send those 50 to and then, if we end up with more than 50 places, we can decided which 50 to send them to. Lets do this for real.

Thaddeus
 
i could mix it together using ableton live and have it all flow to perfection, that way it would work really well as promotional stuff, and no one could rip our tracks to mp3 and share them on slsk so that the whole world has them (and label wouldnt want it due to it not being exclusive)
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We could also record vocal plugs for Bluelight and the respective artist who's song is playing. Fancy the vocals up(which BLers could record), and dub them over the entire CD in respective places. i.e. Some Djs like to plug their Dj Name halfway through a mix like, "D-d-d-Dj Short-e"

Are we going to release a CD that is eclectic or focused on one basic genre? Of course, if we were to have ranging genres from Hi NRG to Chilled Breaks, I'm sure mixing the CD(as Hydra suggested)would be much more difficult and may not sound as good(if a mix had to be done without beatmatching as to not deform the original tracks BPM too much).

I definitely want to participate. Let's do this the right way though. Create a 'story board'(to get a basic feel for what kind of tracks we want where on the CD), develop the 'story board' and fill in the details. Then hand out deadlines and gather the material one piece at a time.

I'd say we need the tracks(assign artists to a genre), decide which will be remixed or original works, like an assembly line: produce the track, remix the track(if necessary), master the track(EQ, etc..), and then when all the tracks are ready, mix them. Go back to throw in some plugs(if necessary)and then just start letting the discs flow!
 
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