Yeah these things happen: 'hardheadedness'. It doesn't mean you have this with other psychedelics so start low when trying something new. Mushrooms are a very good option but other than that there are research chemicals to try like 2C-E.
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greenmeanies
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be sure to buy a 0.001g scale before you touch that bag of 2C-E, it's some potent shit even for hard-heads 
mind-fuckery is not about getting "confounded" or "stumped" by things you don't understand. it's about seeing things that you already understand, in a totally new light that makes everything seem amazing. for example, think about our society's common adage, "glass half empty or glass half full"-- this saying implies that any given situation can be looked at in at least two completely different ways that have opposite emotions attached to them. a glass that is halfway empty will be empty soon, and all hope will be lost when time of famine hits everyone you love. on the other hand, a glass half full will be full soon, and there will be much rejoicing as the time of plenty comes upon us all.
same thing goes for scientific/analytical ideas. pretty much every day, i blow my own mind by looking up into the sky and remembering that every single atom and molecule on this earth was manufactured inside a star at temperatures and pressures high enough to combine two tiny positively charged nuclei into a single nucleus, in a fusion process that continues every moment of every day just a few short minutes away from us. i am grateful for the past lives of stars who gave their material away so that i might live.
are you a very spiritual person? religious? ever fallen in love or done anything else stupid and irrational like that? maybe you should read less analytical things and more personal trip reports. Like part I of PIHKAL perhaps. and try getting into more instrumental or classical music. may i suggest Bach? since you're able to call up CEVs (personally i might call it hypnagogic imagery if it is just abstract colors on a dark background, i am able to do that as well-- CEVs usually are more vivid to the point of "stepping into a fantasy realm" for those gifted few people who are able to let go of reality completely) i might think that your rational mind is protecting yourself from subconscious pain. perhaps not the right forum for it, but how was your childhood? anything that would raise red flags to a psychiatrist?
it's not really my place to make judgements, but you seem to place more value on tangible, inanimate things (like math and computers) than you do on living, breathing emotions. next time you trip, try to remember that science can only be understood within the framework of a biological mind ridden with faults. nobody's perfect, not even you. let loose and have a little fun. act like a 3-year-old and roll down a grassy hill with no regard for how dirty your clothing will get. sing along with the music even if you sound like a dying sea otter. remember that computers do a great job of "thinking", better than we humans sometimes. but nobody can take away your innate ability to FEEL, and you were born knowing how to do that before your brain ever figured out how to put one foot in front of the other. tripping can be an intensely emotional experience if you do it solo (or with a loved one) and get in touch with your subconscious. it's kinda difficult to get in touch with buried emotions when you're around people with whom you have an image to uphold.
mind-fuckery is not about getting "confounded" or "stumped" by things you don't understand. it's about seeing things that you already understand, in a totally new light that makes everything seem amazing. for example, think about our society's common adage, "glass half empty or glass half full"-- this saying implies that any given situation can be looked at in at least two completely different ways that have opposite emotions attached to them. a glass that is halfway empty will be empty soon, and all hope will be lost when time of famine hits everyone you love. on the other hand, a glass half full will be full soon, and there will be much rejoicing as the time of plenty comes upon us all.
same thing goes for scientific/analytical ideas. pretty much every day, i blow my own mind by looking up into the sky and remembering that every single atom and molecule on this earth was manufactured inside a star at temperatures and pressures high enough to combine two tiny positively charged nuclei into a single nucleus, in a fusion process that continues every moment of every day just a few short minutes away from us. i am grateful for the past lives of stars who gave their material away so that i might live.
are you a very spiritual person? religious? ever fallen in love or done anything else stupid and irrational like that? maybe you should read less analytical things and more personal trip reports. Like part I of PIHKAL perhaps. and try getting into more instrumental or classical music. may i suggest Bach?
since you're able to call up CEVs (personally i might call it hypnagogic imagery if it is just abstract colors on a dark background, i am able to do that as well-- CEVs usually are more vivid to the point of "stepping into a fantasy realm" for those gifted few people who are able to let go of reality completely) i might think that your rational mind is protecting yourself from subconscious pain. perhaps not the right forum for it, but how was your childhood? anything that would raise red flags to a psychiatrist?it's not really my place to make judgements, but you seem to place more value on tangible, inanimate things (like math and computers) than you do on living, breathing emotions. next time you trip, try to remember that science can only be understood within the framework of a biological mind ridden with faults. nobody's perfect, not even you. let loose and have a little fun. act like a 3-year-old and roll down a grassy hill with no regard for how dirty your clothing will get. sing along with the music even if you sound like a dying sea otter. remember that computers do a great job of "thinking", better than we humans sometimes. but nobody can take away your innate ability to FEEL, and you were born knowing how to do that before your brain ever figured out how to put one foot in front of the other. tripping can be an intensely emotional experience if you do it solo (or with a loved one) and get in touch with your subconscious. it's kinda difficult to get in touch with buried emotions when you're around people with whom you have an image to uphold.
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artic
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Some people just don't act out either, while tripping. I like to just sit back and close my eyes, listen to a little music, and let my mind travel. I've been around people as high as I have ever been who never knew that I was tripping. I definitely crack up sometimes, but that's more like being tickled or something. Usually, just short outbursts, which I can control if I want to. The visuals on LSD tend to be less pronounced than popular culture tends to indicate. For most people, open eye visuals are brighter colors and a slight "rainbow" effect across surfaces and at the edges of objects, and slight distortions in shapes, spacial relationships, and time.
LSD has a very long history of safe use at extreme doses, and a very low toxicity (assuming your source is reliable). It may just be too expensive for you, but I would actually feel more comfortable encouraging you to try extreme doses of LSD rather than doing the same with 2C-E. With most research chemicals I wouldn't recommend exceeding the "Heavy Dose" on Erowid, which for 2C-E is 40mg. Definitely always start with the light or common dose the first time. Good luck!
LSD has a very long history of safe use at extreme doses, and a very low toxicity (assuming your source is reliable). It may just be too expensive for you, but I would actually feel more comfortable encouraging you to try extreme doses of LSD rather than doing the same with 2C-E. With most research chemicals I wouldn't recommend exceeding the "Heavy Dose" on Erowid, which for 2C-E is 40mg. Definitely always start with the light or common dose the first time. Good luck!
DwayneHoover
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I think it sounds like you are a strong "control" person who is probably just having a tough time"letting go" and allowing your psychedelicized brain to fly off where it wants to. If so, once you learn how to do that you can have alot more interesting trips on alot less acid.
Smoking weed helps. Weed also strengthens nitrous oxide. I would suggest (1) dosing on enough LSD that you feel the body buzz and get the "superficial" visuals you mention getting, then (2) smoking some weed, then (3) doing some nitrous oxide. This can really send your mind into orbit, and kind of force you into "letting go". Whippets are well known to amplify trip effects very very strongly, almost immediately, so that's another thing I would suggest you try, just to learn how to avoid hypercontrolling your mental perspecive and allow the LSD to do its thing.
about 2C-E:
Yes definitely start low on your 2C-E. Test your supply with less than 1mg. Some people died recently because they were sent the wrong far more potent chemical.
You should feel almost nothing on 1mg
Then try a "light" dose of 5mg. I found 22mg to be "very strong" with alot of fractal thought loops that felt like they lasted way longer than they really did, quite fascinating actually, lots of trails, and very strong, shape and color shifting afterimages when you stare are something for a bit then look at a blank wall, which could become very interesting as the alternate forms the afterimages would morph into seemed conceptually realated to the original object, so that is nice and quite thought provoking
Now, be aware that 2c-e can cause lots of very uncomfortable body load for most people. It has been found that the over the counter antihistamine "Benedryl" (also in sleep medications), which is really a chemical called diphenhydramine, taken at the standard amount of 25mg, 30 mins before the 2C-E usually totally blocks the nausea and musculo-skeletal discomfort many people feel, and makes for a FAR smoother more enjoyable 2c-e trip.
Good luck!
Smoking weed helps. Weed also strengthens nitrous oxide. I would suggest (1) dosing on enough LSD that you feel the body buzz and get the "superficial" visuals you mention getting, then (2) smoking some weed, then (3) doing some nitrous oxide. This can really send your mind into orbit, and kind of force you into "letting go". Whippets are well known to amplify trip effects very very strongly, almost immediately, so that's another thing I would suggest you try, just to learn how to avoid hypercontrolling your mental perspecive and allow the LSD to do its thing.
about 2C-E:
Yes definitely start low on your 2C-E. Test your supply with less than 1mg. Some people died recently because they were sent the wrong far more potent chemical.
You should feel almost nothing on 1mg
Then try a "light" dose of 5mg. I found 22mg to be "very strong" with alot of fractal thought loops that felt like they lasted way longer than they really did, quite fascinating actually, lots of trails, and very strong, shape and color shifting afterimages when you stare are something for a bit then look at a blank wall, which could become very interesting as the alternate forms the afterimages would morph into seemed conceptually realated to the original object, so that is nice and quite thought provoking
Now, be aware that 2c-e can cause lots of very uncomfortable body load for most people. It has been found that the over the counter antihistamine "Benedryl" (also in sleep medications), which is really a chemical called diphenhydramine, taken at the standard amount of 25mg, 30 mins before the 2C-E usually totally blocks the nausea and musculo-skeletal discomfort many people feel, and makes for a FAR smoother more enjoyable 2c-e trip.
Good luck!
On my 10 tab trip I smoked a few bowls of purps throughout the entire trip, and on the 12 tab trip I smoked some bowls and did like 4 balloons (3 cartridges per balloon) of nitrous (spread out obviously), and it still didn't do it for me. I got trails after the nitrous each time, but it always went away, and nothing more elaborate than that.
Although I had some addition problems with nitrous recently so I'm kind of hesitant about using it, even if it's just during trips, because I did so much one time that I passed out. And oddly enough, I actually got ridiculous OEV's from that when I regained consciousness (rainbows everywhere, bright flashes of pure white, very dissociated, didn't even know my own name)
I definitely will start off with 1 mg and slowly work up past that... not trying to OD if they sent me the wrong chemical.
And thanks for that, I shall try that out and see if it helps.
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I've heard of unusual hardheadedness before, but I don't really know if it's a simple matter of compensation with dosing, there is a possibility that you are just unable to experience certain things the way other people could from the effects of psychedelics... though reactions are very hard to compare in terms of quality.
Right now I'm thinking that if you are apparently so resistant, maybe eventually you will find that it is the really powerful ones that you need to break through. Who knows what caliber is needed, DPT for example is almost too much for many people. Perhaps for you that will finally be something that blows your mind. Or the superpotent ones like the NBOMe's?
But... I do worry that maybe this is something that doesn't allow to be pushed. It is entirely possible that it's much more black and white for you, meaning that if you flip and it escalates, you might be much more 'far away from home'. By that I mean let's hope that it's not like a dam inside you. But I don't mean to scare you, just be careful when you use high doses or potent compounds to push your envelope.
I hope I am making sense
Right now I'm thinking that if you are apparently so resistant, maybe eventually you will find that it is the really powerful ones that you need to break through. Who knows what caliber is needed, DPT for example is almost too much for many people. Perhaps for you that will finally be something that blows your mind. Or the superpotent ones like the NBOMe's?
But... I do worry that maybe this is something that doesn't allow to be pushed. It is entirely possible that it's much more black and white for you, meaning that if you flip and it escalates, you might be much more 'far away from home'. By that I mean let's hope that it's not like a dam inside you. But I don't mean to scare you, just be careful when you use high doses or potent compounds to push your envelope.
I hope I am making sense
greenmeanies
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^this worry is exactly why i suggested more sober means of trying to push the envelope rather than simply attempting escalating doses. a shaman guide or friendly psychiatrist would go a long way here
isStellablue
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I really doubt there is much real LSD out there
there's lots of stuff that has similar effects but I kind of doubt much of it is LSD.
The necessary precursers are too hard to get. I live in a small town in Idaho and of course there is none here. I haven't been to the bay area for over 25 years so forgive me if I'm wrong.
there's lots of stuff that has similar effects but I kind of doubt much of it is LSD.
The necessary precursers are too hard to get. I live in a small town in Idaho and of course there is none here. I haven't been to the bay area for over 25 years so forgive me if I'm wrong.
Well I live in D.C. but all of our tabs have been from Baltimore, MD where the rave and party drug scene is pretty huge...I'm not ruling out that it was shitty acid or some other drug, but it's not like I'm in the middle of nowhere like you are.
artic
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I haven't been to the bay in a few years, but when I was there last I was sold some liquid on gum that was definitely not LSD. I suspected liquid LSA, but wasn't certain. The gum was SOAKED, but it wasn't as intense as LSD would have been, and it was more emotional and unpredictable. Reminded me somewhat of a light dose combination mushrooms and acid, if that makes sense. My point is, that not everything sold as acid, even in the bay, is LSD.
Anyway...
That said, lots of WoW non perf made its way into my hands while in other areas, and I was mostly told it was coming out of the bay. This was mostly in the southwest states. It was always pure white marked and cut into 1/4" tabs. They were usually pretty strong, I suspected somewhere around 80ug, based on what I've read about common dosage and effects range, and what I heard from other people. Most people took 2 for a medium-heavy trip, or 3-5 to go complete out of their skull. Very clean and colorful, with minimal physical discomfort.
Anyway...
That said, lots of WoW non perf made its way into my hands while in other areas, and I was mostly told it was coming out of the bay. This was mostly in the southwest states. It was always pure white marked and cut into 1/4" tabs. They were usually pretty strong, I suspected somewhere around 80ug, based on what I've read about common dosage and effects range, and what I heard from other people. Most people took 2 for a medium-heavy trip, or 3-5 to go complete out of their skull. Very clean and colorful, with minimal physical discomfort.
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ResinTeeth
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I got some absurd, extremely vivid OEV's off two hits of WoW once that I couldn't blink and make go away. The distortion of my visual field was quite intricate. They were very apparent. Prior to that all the LSD I got never really got me to a satisfactory visual level. It is very possible that you just keep getting weak acid, because I've never really heard of anyone taking 12 hits of decent blotter and not tripping very hard.
I think your reasoning is flawed. There doesn't have to be that much LSD available locally, it is potent enough to be produced basically anywhere and distributed globally rapidly. I have not come across something on blotter that showed signs of being something other than LSD passed off as that. And certainly there are differentiating factors to be aware off.
Anyway this is not even the subject of discussion.
OldSchool80
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what psychedelics have you taken before other than LSD? this will give a better idea as to guess whats cause of a lack of a full cross-over.
Heliotrope
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^^SO TRUE
I was having a VERY similar problem to yours and I tied smoking a few bowls in the middle of a trip and it completely changed everything.
I also realized that with acid, you really need to relax into it. I find that I actually ride above the acid and don't trip at all unless I really relax and fall into my hallucinations. I think it was just my instinctual reaction to almost hold onto sobriety (in a manner of speaking) because I'd been scared by my friends into thinking that I'd totally lose control over myself, and that I'd forget who I was, etc. That was the problem I'd been having my first few times and once I realized that, it became almost too easy to trip the fuck out. It sounds really weird but it's true. Before you completely give up on acid, do yourself a favor smoke a few bowls.
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You're getting bunk or extremely weak acid, end of story.
There is NO WAY IN HELL 12 tabs of good acid wouldn't give you a "mindfuck".
In point of fact, 12 tabs should completely obliterate your mind. This is actually well beyond the point where LSD is expected to produce OBEs, total collapse of your visual field. Not only should you see visuals, you shouldn't be able to see anything other than visuals.
Also on that dose, I'd expect the bodyload, nausea and general physical/psychological discomfort to be pretty overwhelming. Sheer torture even.
Your dealer most likely lied to you (they do that) or don't know what he's talking about (also very possible).
As for your friends who think they're having a good trip, a lot of people greatly exaggerrate their experiences with drugs (sometimes semi-consciously).
And also, people with no experience with psychedelics tend to be impressed by lower doses. I know people who think they're having intense trips on 1 tab when I can easily eat 5 tabs of the same batch... They just never pushed the boundaries.
Get real acid.
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