Problem with LSD

[grcht1456]

So, I've noticed something very weird with me.

First off I am not on any medication at all so that can't be having an effect here.

The first 3 times I had LSD (each one with about a month or so in between, no other psychedelic experience AT ALL prior to these), I took 1 tab each time, and never tripped even a little bit. I could feel the physical effects (euphoria, breathing feels weird, bit of stimulation), but I never hallucinated (CEV's or OEV's), and it didn't mind fuck me, I felt normal other than the physical effects on my body. Everybody else who took the same tabs as me, also only did 1, and tripped their fuckin' nuts off. It was supposedly "very good" (although obviously that doesn't mean anything, anybody can say that). I'm upset I didn't hallucinate, but I just figure, "I'll just use more"

The next time I did acid (2 months after the last 1-tab experience), I did like 4 tabs (same source as the first 3, which is supposedly the "best acid around in" according to all my friends and other people I know get from this source), while all my friends did 1 still, and I got a little bit of OEV hallucinations (classic "breathing" of solid surfaces, color flashes, etc), and some awesome CEV's, especially in conjunction with music, but my friends still said they were hallucinating ridiculous shit. I also didn't get the talked-about "mindfuck" and I was again upset I could not seem to obtain that or intense visuals.

I waited 2 months after that and I was lucky enough to be at a rave-esque party at a yacht club where I was DJ'ing. One of the other DJ's had some liquid lsd, and I did 8 "drops" (obviously thats a very inaccurate measurement...but he even remarked when I was doing them that it was extremely potent and this dose might be too intense for me. I got the same OEV's as my last experience, but that's not saying much because they were weak, but did get awesome CEV's, and my appreciation for both the music I was playing and the other DJ's was extremely heightened, and I had awesome euphoria and even some tactile stimulation the whole night.

I waited another 2 months and this time I took 12 tabs (same source as the first 4 experiences), while my friends still did 1 each. I got even more breathing/moving/color changing/flashing, but still no mindfuck, or intense OEV's.

I even tried 10 tabs from another source, little less intense than the 12-tab experience, but really nothing noteworthy.

What the hell is going on here?

I can't have a tolerance to it, can I? I mean I can have a natural tolerance I guess, but I've only done it 7 times, all at least a month or 2 apart, with no other psychedelic drug experience prior to or after doing these, and all my friends go crazy off 1 tab. 8 drops of that liquid acid and 12 tabs of supposedly amazing acid should have mindfucked the shit out of me, and instead I was able to converse with people who thought I was completely sober and my thought pattern wasn't really different from normal. I don't really seek it as a recreational drug (although 2 of the times I have done it were purely recreational), I just want to have some profound life-changing experiences with strange thought patterns and insight I would never have, and wild hallucinations.

Why do you guys think I seem to be unable to get this? I've tried 3 different sources, all supposedly amazing. Is it worth trying a larger dose after I wait another month or 2? Or should I just experiement with some other psychedelic drugs that this ridiculous tolerance I seem to have hopefully won't be noticeable with?

 

[bigben202]

smoke a bowl while on acid, then come tell me how it is. Weed is key, on lsd.

 

[cryptix420]

The vibe I'm getting is you're not getting real LSD. Maybe that's just what I want to believe, because LSD is such a beautiful chemical and I detest the notion that there can be a 'natural tolerance' to it. It just seems to profound.

Maybe try piracetam. Brings out the visuals in any psychedelic IME.

 

[grcht1456]

Ah sorry, I forgot to clarify that on the last two experiences, I did smoke a couple bowls and even did some nitrous balloons, which are always fun, for the last one, but both only enhanced the CEV's and didn't really do anything to my mindset or OEV's. I'm not 100% certain it was acid, but my friend who is very experienced with acid (slightly older hippie-type guy, somewhere in his 30's) has said he finds it pretty good, so I trust his opinion since I know he's done a lot of acid in his life.


I really wouldn't care if I never get OEV's, I just want the mental insight/"mindfuck" I've heard you get, which i've been so far unable to get...which is kind of disheartening

 

[cryptix420]

if you're looking for mindfuck you're eating the wrong chemical. you're looking for mushrooms.

 

[muvolution]

people react differently. Also, you might be experiencing "true" lsd, but your expectations were so overblown that even though you are having a pretty normal trip it just seems dull to you.
Usually I don't have super crazy OEV's, just patterns, breathing, etc...

Maybe you should try eating an 1/8th of mushrooms.

 

[grcht1456]

Okay, that could be it muvolution. I'll try some mushrooms next time I get a chance to.

Do you really think 12 tabs of supposedly good acid would do basically nothing to me mentally though? Most of my friends sound like babbling morons off 1 tab and I was able to carry on conversations with other people not tripping as if I was sober.

Although I must say the CEV's were quite nice. I'd rather have OEV's for sure, but laying back with some music on and just painting landscapes was kind of fun, except they tended to be rational, not irrational, due to the fact that it really didn't fuck with my mind at all and aside from the euphoria/weird feelings I could barely tell I was on a drug at all...

Either way I will hopefully get a better experience more close to what I'm looking for (really profound insights and realizations and "mindfuck") with some mushrooms...

 

[artic]

+1 to mushrooms. I tend to think they are more visual than LSD. Also, DMT might get you where you want, if you have access, and if you use the search tool, you can find a lot of good info on BL about the best ways to use it as well. I have no personal experience with combining all three, but I bet it is a potent combo.

Is there a name for taking acid, then mushrooms, then DMT with the idea of peaking on all three at the same time? Because if not, we should invent one here and now. Tryptamine Trifecta? Hmmmm....

You might also want to try tripping alone, to increase the mindfuck factor.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

everyone reacts differently...i remember reading of a woman who was excited about trying mushrooms, and after a few failed attempts on lower doses she ate 7 grams of extremely potent ones, to no avail....

not to suggest you should start high with those...eat an eighth or less, you likely have a selective resistance to LSD..or ergoloids.

i have a friend who needs 10+ hits of 'decently strong' blotter to feel any effects at all...where others eat 1-2 and get rocked. he needs close to a sheet to get a true psychedelic experience...as crazy as that sounds. i think he said a guy rubbed a sheet on his tongue, after he was already on a few hits, and it was only so-so in intensity...lol, everyone's neurochemistry is different.

this same friend though, gets rocked by DMT, and has no problem having intense mushroom experiences...i should tell him to get on here sometime, quite an intelligent and out-of-the-box guy. he's actually got more DMT experience than almost anyone..lol, he's smoked ounces total through the last couple years.

 

[JBrandon]

You need to try a different substance.

I experienced far less psychedelic thinking & visuals on cactus extract, LSD, 2C-E, 2C-T-2, etc. than I did on 4-AcO-DMT. For whatever reason, I am far far far more sensitive to that compound than I am to most of the other psychs I have played with.

Meanwhile, just like you describe, my friends are "tripping balls", some even unable to speak, on the same doses of compounds that left me just euphoric and happy with some mild visuals.

I really do think there is a great degree of variation in sensitivity to psychs - you need to just find your sweet spot!

That being said, if I up the dosages high enough, I do get the same effects as everyone else off of those compounds - I just have to go so high that the body load on the 2C-xs etc is very unpleasant for me.

 

[muvolution]

I would try mushrooms and have several of those experiences before DMT.

 

[greenmeanies]

perhaps you don't know how to 'mindfuck' yourself... have a good conversation with a smart person about mind-blowing things like space, time, evolution, the size of the cosmos, the size of a molecule, the implications of temperature, etc etc etc

i must say that as my college career progressed to deeper and deeper realms of knowledge, so did my trips become more and more philosophical, scientific, spiritual, and generally ridiculous when it comes to mindfuckery. what kinds of books do you like to read normally? tv you like to watch? favorite music?

also, judging solely by your writing style, you seem to be a person who prides himself on being in control of the situation and appearing like a professional. you might need training in how to let go and "feel out" certain other states of consciousness. have you ever gotten into a giggle-fit even without the power of drugs? i would think that a person's susceptibility to irrational laughter is a good indicator of his/her mental ability to tune into certain 'vibes'...


or i could just be smoking the crack. who knows.

 

[helium-4]

For your first few experiences I will say that blotter these days on average (according to surveys and sample testing by the DEA I believe) show a potency of less than or equal to 60-75mg, which is the same level of LSD for a light experience. With light experiences, visuals are not very noted. Light alteration of perceptual experiences are seen with a change in physical body feeling being one of the more pronounced (sometimes light experience seem cause some anxiety partial do to the bodyload or body feeling being experienced). Also, we need to remember that LSD effects everyone differently, with some diving deeper than others. Or we need to take in account placebo and the way one expresses what they are experiencing. Placebo can make the experience more intense than what the LSD is producing. People also will over play or under play the effects of a drug when asked about the experience, and imo this is seen a lot more around young inexperienced users. Different aspects of the LSD experience can also weigh differently from user to user. Is this from the multi-receptor action of LSD and the different chemical make up of the individual? i dunno, but some people are not keen to every aspect of the experience, and their limit of LSD may be different. I shouldnt have to mention set and setting, but i will, set and setting can alter what you are experiencing drastically.

For the higher doses, either you are an outlier in biological reactions to this stimuli and maybe other stimuli's, and LSD will require you take more to achieve the effects your want, or you are getting shitty blotter. People lie, or don't quite know what high potency lsd substrates feels like, so take what the supplier of your lsd says with a grain of salt. You may have had not the best blotter, on top of having too high of expectations for the experience. What you think LSD may be, isn't really what it is. This is easily a potential cause of a decrease in effects, and I've experience this personally when I wasn't satisfied with the intensity of the drug. Also I personally find LSD to be not very visual. Even at high doses I find LSD to produce a less intricate and exciting visual experience than tryptamines, phenethylamines, and arylcyclohexylamines at similar intensities. Though i have had suspect a ergoloid that was very visual, but lacked the analytical mind fuck and bodyload that LSD has. Anyway, noone can tell you what was on your blotter and of what potency the blotter is, so really, no one can tell you why your experiences haven't been what you believe it should be.

 

[grcht1456]

perhaps you don't know how to 'mindfuck' yourself... have a good conversation with a smart person about mind-blowing things like space, time, evolution, the size of the cosmos, the size of a molecule, the implications of temperature, etc etc etc

i must say that as my college career progressed to deeper and deeper realms of knowledge, so did my trips become more and more philosophical, scientific, spiritual, and generally ridiculous when it comes to mindfuckery. what kinds of books do you like to read normally? tv you like to watch? favorite music?

also, judging solely by your writing style, you seem to be a person who prides himself on being in control of the situation and appearing like a professional. you might need training in how to let go and "feel out" certain other states of consciousness. have you ever gotten into a giggle-fit even without the power of drugs? i would think that a person's susceptibility to irrational laughter is a good indicator of his/her mental ability to tune into certain 'vibes'...


or i could just be smoking the crack. who knows.

Very intersting actually...

You could be quite right about not knowing how to mindfuck myself, I grasp subjects like theoretical physics way too easy, I don't think I've ever been mindfucked by anything ever, despite having tons of conversations with people about science actually, I enjoy talking to people about science but most of my friends are nowhere near my league in terms of knowledge or ability to grasp abstract concepts. Quite frankly I don't think I know anybody who could mindfuck with me with discussions of those things because I am the one giving my friends mindfucks through those very things haha.

I actually read quite a lot (far more than most people), and the books I read are really analytical, mostly science/psychological books, I don't really read fiction either, although every now and then I do enjoy a good sci-fi novel. I don't watch too much TV really. Music, a lot. Anything electronic (Favorites, any Psytrance or GOA trance, Electro, Jungle and some Drum & Bass, but if its made synthetically, odds are I'll like it), I also like Alternative Rock, some styles of Metal (Metal is weird for me because I actually LOVE the music itself but the vocals are a turn off, instrumental Metal songs are fucking awesome in my opinion), and a little bit of Jazz I guess, but not too big on it.

Spot on, I definitely am like that, even when I get drunk I always catch myself act sober...it's like I can't let go, despite wanting to really badly. Have literally never giggled over anything uncontrollable, actually even with drugs (including nitrous :O) it doesn't happen. Very strange, I'm weird


Something else to note about me...before I even tried any drugs for the first time, I could always (and still can) cause CEV's (not very intense ones, mind you, but still) for myself just by listening to music and not thinking about anything else, and sometimes I actually feel euphoric/high just from listening to music. It's really fucking weird actually, kind of awesome though.

 

[bluffythefluffy]

Try a different drug. Mescaline or mushrooms. Maybe you are just a freak of some sort.

 

[grcht1456]

Try a different drug. Mescaline or mushrooms. Maybe you are just a freak of some sort.

Unnecessary, but noted. I will be trying 1/8th of mushrooms the next time I can get them. Have no idea how potent they will be and I don't really have a selection to pick from because they're very rare in my area.

Unfortunately, I ALMOST had the chance to try mescaline, and then had it taken away from me before I acted on it. I knew somebody who was selling, and I was actually going to contact him in the very near future, but it seems the government had other plans because he got busted for it yesterday. Damn.

 

[helium-4]

You sound a bit pretentious. Everyone has some knowledge or insight to offer. It would be ignorant to say you cant be stumped by a question from someone with less knowledge on a topic than you. Also on LSD, even extremely brilliant minds can become bamboozled by the simplest tasks, and can forgot what they know about certain topics. Open your ear and mind up, and you might be able to let go and experience what you are looking for.

 

[grcht1456]

You sound a bit pretentious. Everyone has some knowledge or insight to offer. It would be ignorant to say you can be stumped by a question from someone with less knowledge on a topic than you. Also on LSD, even extremely brilliant minds can become bamboozled by the simplest tasks, and can forgot what they know about certain topics. Open your ear and mind up, and you might be able to let go and experience what you are looking for.

I'm not trying to sound pretentious, and I am open to ANYTHING, I was just giving you my experience so far, i.e., nobody has been able to stump or mindfuck me with anything. I didn't mean to give off the vibe that I think they can't, (I'm pretty tired at the moment as it's very early in the morning so if I did give off that vibe, sorry), just so far nobody has been able to. I desperately want to have a truly psychedelic experience, and am seemingly unable to fully let myself go and fall into it, which frustrates me to no end I'm going to see if anybody I know has the hookup on mushrooms tomorrow (although it's pretty unlikely for the moment, it could take me weeks or even a month to find some here) and will hopefully try that soon, maybe I'll have more luck than with acid, although if my seeming inability to let myself go is responsible for my weak experiences with acid, I don't know how much good that will do me.

 

[helium-4]

Don't get over anxious about finding this perfect experience that you desire. It will come. Find a reliable source of mushrooms, DMT (or extract), or RCs (and Ill include dissociatives as they can give you quite the psychedelic experience imo). Wait for the perfect time, in a perfect environment. With a proper medium to high dose, a +++ experience will show you what the psychedelic experience is/can be with those three criteria met. If you can't find both of those, I say wait till you can met them.

Also, look at environmental aspects of your experience. What things were not enjoyable to perceive? What things put you on edge, or gave you slight anxiety? What things made the experience seem dull? Who in company didn't fit right into the vibe of your experience? etc... Think about ways you can adjust your environment to make it more comfortable so you can let go.

 

[grcht1456]

Don't get over anxious about finding this perfect experience that you desire. It will come. Find a reliable source of mushrooms, DMT (or extract), or RCs (and Ill include dissociatives as they can give you quite the psychedelic experience imo). Wait for the perfect time, in a perfect environment. With a proper medium to high dose, a +++ experience will show you what the psychedelic experience is/can be with those three criteria met. If you can't find both of those, I say wait till you can met them.

Also, look at environmental aspects of your experience. What things were not enjoyable to perceive? What things put you on edge, or gave you slight anxiety? What things made the experience seem dull? Who in company didn't fit right into the vibe of your experience? etc... Think about ways you can adjust your environment to make it more comfortable so you can let go.

I've wanted to try DMT for a while, but I really would prefer to have a psychedelic experience with something a little lighter first, I'm not scared of it really and if I got the chance to pick up DMT (extremely unlikely...) I would buy it immediately and then wait for a good setting/set, but since that's really unlikely, I've pretty much just resigned to anything else.

I actually have just managed to find a method of getting 5 grams of 2C-E (which will come to fruition in about 3 weeks), which is a hugely significant amount, so I'm kind of looking forward to hopefully experimenting with this chemical, as I've heard some people claim it to be more psychedelic than acid, and given the fact that I'll have a basically unlimited amount for personal use, if I experience failure at any dose, I can easily use a larger dose the next time I feel the situation is good for it. Maybe I'll be have more luck with this chemical than I have with acid.