Prison on the horizon

BrokenPromise

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Over a year ago I robbed a store for about $400, my first ever offense. I was threatened by gang members to do it to pay back a debt and they threatened to hurt my family if I didn't do it. I just went and saw my lawyer who I've already paid over 20k and he said there's a pretty high possibility that I'll be going to prison. I co-operated with the police because I knew the evidence was going to be very heavy and I had no chance of pleading not guilty. There's been a huge surge of robberies in my area so the court is going to make an example of me for sure. My lawyer also told me that if I do go to prison "I will be eaten alive". I have no idea what to do, I really just want to run away. Would I rather be "eaten alive" in prison for who knows how many years or would it be easier to just off myself.

I'm working part-time, studying, I run my own business and I'm a performing artist that is doing pretty well. So I've got a lot of good things going for me but how am I meant to stay positive knowing I could be locked up in a few months. I literally threw up after seeing the lawyer, it was just too much.

I really don't know what to do. All my defenses in court hold no weight. To make matters worse there's a news article that quotes my lawyer saying that due to the increase in robberies, sentencing should be a lot harsher. MY LAWYER SAID THAT! WTF? I don't hate or dislike a lot of people but I cannot stand him at all. But he is the best in the city so what can I do?

I don't know why I'm posting this but I feel I need to vent. If anyone has any advice please help. I've been off heavy drugs for a while now but all I can think of is going back to it.
 
I can definitely afford to set up a new identity within my country but I'd hate to leave my family and friends, I wouldn't mind leaving the country but a fake passport I imagine would be near impossible to obtain.
 
How many years are you facing? I know this is a shitty situation, but in the grand scheme of things maybe it would be best just to do the time and when you come out get your life back together? Prisons often offer services and aid for well behaved inmates so they have an easier time adjusting to outside life once they are released.

I know it's scary, but running from it and becoming a fugitive is not the best of ideas. What if you are caught? You face even more time having tried to run away. Not to mention having to look over your shoulder everywhere you go? I couldn't live like that.
 
6 months to 3 years, they don't really know. I just don't see any benefit in sending me there. I've changed, I'm working, studying, running a business, touring the country for my music. I suffer anxiety and depression. Prison will absolutely ruin me. I guess I better start taking up some MMA classes and hit the gym more. My other lawyer told me there is no chance I'd go to prison so I thought I'd be fine but now all of a sudden it's a high possiblity, I don't get it.
 
Maybe you should let your other lawyer take charge ASAP. I'm not a legal expert but a defense attorney actually calling for harsher sentences just seems insane. I don't know if there's any precedent but maybe this case can be thrown out or restarted due to comments made by your lawyer on public record. Then sue the attorney for fee reimbursement and maybe more. I dunno, just a thought.
 
I'm met people who ran. Some are happy, some are not. The only way you'd be able to see your friends and family again is if you visit them rarely and completely in secret. No going out on the town, nothing. And of course, depending on the laws where you are, they could get in trouble for harbouring a known fugitive if they are caught with you.

You'd need a new identity for sure. Not easy to come by but not impossible either. I'm thinking more about the personal level. Will you always be paranoid, having to sleep with one eye open? Will you be able to live knowing you won't be able to have a normal relationship with family and friends again?

Going to a foreign country might not help you either. Interpol is everywhere now. If any place finds out that you are using a fake passport then they will detain you until they figure out who you are. Then you'd have a fraud charge on top of it.

Prison sucks, no doubt about it. You might have some hard experiences in there. It could be hell. But think about the longer term hell. Your sentence could be 6 months to 3 years. At least you know the hell ends after that. If you're a fugitive it never ends.

I'm just trying to be honest with you. Weigh the pros and cons here man.
 
6 months to 3 years, shit thats a cakewalk. You'll be fine. In the mean time you need to start working out on a daily basis, learn how to play dominos, spades, poker, ect. All together I've done about 23 months in prison and I'm not that big nor intimidating. The best things not to do is running up debt, getting affiliated in a gang, or taking part in drugs or ciggeretes. The gift of gab is one of your best weapons, knowing when to talk and when to shut up will take you far in the joint. Don't let anyone know your family has any kind of wealth or the gangsters will extort the shit out of you. Running over a 6month-3 year bit is silly. You did the crime now own up to it and you'll come out better after your bit.
 
Luckily you aren't facing much time.. As long as you are smart and don't get involved in any shady nonsense, you won't get "eaten alive''. I've spent a decent amount of time incarcerated and never had any problems. Shit, in my county you're getting 10+ years for a robbery.. Consider yourself lucky. I don't have time to type much right now but if you have any specific questions about prison and what to do and not to do, feel free to contact me privately.

Being locked up sucks, but you just have to do the time, not let the time do you.. Use it as a time for personal reflection, a time away from drugs, a time to work out and get in the best shape you've been in.. I read A LOT, and got quite good at chess/cards. Plus, (at least here in Jersey), you also are required to work on prison grounds, so time goes by pretty fast.

You'll be alright man. It'll be overwhelming initially but after about a month you'll get a routine down and you'll breeze thru that couple years.

Hopefully at sentencing the judge will have mercy since you have no record and just give you something real light, such as probation/house arrest/something like that.
 
I'm not following how someone is so hard up for $400 they have to rob a store now has 20k for a lawyer with change to spare.

On a side note, your lawyer should be a frigging pitbull if you're paying that type of coin.
 
If you plan on pleading guilty, I would tell all of these circumstances to the judge. He will factor it into your sentence, especially if you express remorse and that you didn't see any other way out of the situation without harm coming to you/your family.
 
Have you thought about turning states evidence on this gang? If they are really behind all or at least a lot of these robberies you might have some leeway room...I don't know what that could get you, but with any hope some sort of monitored probation and witness protection...

Another option is to use the duress argument. If you can prove that a "reasonable person in similar circumstances" would have honestly felt that your ONLY option in order to preserve innocent lives was to commit a lesser crime then you might have an affirmative defense. The key for the duress argument is showing why other legal options weren't available, such as the police or removing your family/friends...proving this might be as simple as a threat that if you told they would retaliate before police or friend/family removal had a chance to be effective. The duress argument will not work if the threat is just against you...but committing a minor crime as the only option a "reasonable person" to protect innocent lives is analogous to driving 120mph to the hospital because your wife is in labor. The courts are charged with balancing the facts and you just have to show exactly what you said on here. The hard part is how..."heresay" is only admissible in court under vary limiting conditions, such as a dying declaration. So just saying they made a threat is not necessarily sufficient. I mean, the best thing in terms of defense would be an unimpeachable witness testifying on your behalf, but I assume if that were the case you wouldn't be here. If you were to have un-tamper-able and irrefutable documented or documentable evidence of any type that could help...or you could wear a wire yourself and get some (NOT RECOMMENDED due to danger, however courts have held that only one party needs to give consent for secret audio recordings, and there are some pretty inconspicuous stuff out there in private dick shops for not too much money, certainly compared to that 20 grand)...

Running away would mean every time you look over your shoulder you'd worry when they'de catch up, and unless you stay waaaay off the grid changing your identity yourself in a way that will fool anyone requires some connections, or the ability to do research, critically analyze the weak points, and perform some good ol' social engineering...you know like finding a secretary at the vital records department, taking her on a few dates till she feels she could trust you, and asking her to show you her work that you just find soooo fascinating, then insert an algorithm into the computer and you have a birth certificate...Bureaucracies lose things all the time, the'yre good at that so if your in the computer they'd be happy to help you replace yours as well for your birth certificate...and once you have that the rest isn't bad...similar stuff with schools to get transcripts etc....note none of this will hold a deep check but don't give them a reason to: don't list any of these people as references, apply for a security clearance job etc...if you do this successfully you'de be scot free somewhere else as long as you NEVER EVER EVER contacted people from former life, and if you did it would be one sided letters from you, preferable something relatively untraceable like a JonDo computer proxy network. However if unsuccessful you'de be facing a hell of a lot more than 3-6 months.

So reducing your variables and simplifying for clarity: Run, stay and fight, or take whats coming to you, or give states evidence...each of these of course have sub-options, such as how much you escape your past life if you run, or what you do if you take it to trial including attempting to capture threats by the gang on tape.

I of course left out the trivial solutions, like drugs or suicide...because they are trivial and you are better than that...Those are null options IMO. The option that is no option is not an option at all.

However, everything I listed involves certain potential risks. The risks involved are generally proportional to the gain however. You might want to consider your level of acceptable risk...for example suppose you were told if you pleaded guilty they would drop the charge and you'de be guaranteed 6 months and if you took it to trial with this evidence hypothetically your lawyer feels you have a 75% chance of 8 months in jail (with that or freedom the only possibilities). Well, the effective value of time incarcerated might be the same, however from your perspective you would only be adding a third to your sentence for a 1/4 chance of exoneration. The first few months are the worst, maybe that chance at freedom would be worth the chance at a little bit longer stay...

Anyway, don't just see this as a wall of text to avoid like the plague. I hope that this will help. Note I am not advising nor giving information on how to break any laws. I'm not a lawyer either, but I pick up a little something here and there...I'm an autodidact. I'm an engineer, and that just means that I know how to analyze options and choose the right ones based on constraints (such as desire for freedom vs loathing of jail vs physical danger vs leaving friends and family and the acompanying 2-sided emotional pain vs the technical difficulty of some options)...To determine how YOU feel about all of these constraints, try a decision matrix. List how important each of these things are on a scale of 1-10 in one column, and the options available in the first row. Then cross multiply...

Hope this was helpful and let me know if you can...I never like to see people hurting.
 
Have you thought about turning states evidence on this gang? If they are really behind all or at least a lot of these robberies you might have some leeway room...I don't know what that could get you, but with any hope some sort of monitored probation and witness protection...
I'm not a lawyer but you should talk to your lawyer(s) about this, tell them about the organized criminals, and see what they say about it?

You said how the people in organized crime know all about you and your family.

I would try to get new IDs and disappear legally, and get away from the area you're all in now. These are not people you want to take lightly or fuck around with.

Good luck.
 
6 months to 3 years, shit thats a cakewalk. You'll be fine. In the mean time you need to start working out on a daily basis, learn how to play dominos, spades, poker, ect. All together I've done about 23 months in prison and I'm not that big nor intimidating. The best things not to do is running up debt, getting affiliated in a gang, or taking part in drugs or ciggeretes. The gift of gab is one of your best weapons, knowing when to talk and when to shut up will take you far in the joint. Don't let anyone know your family has any kind of wealth or the gangsters will extort the shit out of you. Running over a 6month-3 year bit is silly. You did the crime now own up to it and you'll come out better after your bit.

As long as you follow that advice, I hear it's just boring and nothing like they portray in the movies.
 
Yeah and since it's your first offense you'll most likely not do the whole bit, especially if you don't get in any trouble in the joint
One of my friends caught a robbery charge after having a few drug offenses and shit before that and he only ended up doing like 15 months

I'd run maybe if I was looking at like 10 to 15 years but not in your case friendo
 
I've seen many a people 'snitch', and still end up doing time downstate.. And believe me, the fact that you snitched WILL follow you.. And the guards won't help you. But like dude above said, prison is pretty boring, definitely not like they show on TV.
 
acting under duress
continue the case due to incompetent attorney.
prison ain't too bad.
was it armed robbery? strong arm robbery?
if it was non violent you'll be in a medium security facility for sure, probably a camp of some sorts. don't know the paroling situation in your area. might get 120'd and put on papers for a few years. don't worry about it forreal. learn when its proper to talk. do not get involved in politics. depending on where you're doing time, do not interact with people of a different race of your own. always stick up for your own race. do not owe any debts (like you did on the outside). do not use drugs, do not drink, do not snitch, lookout for your bunky/celly as they will be the ones helping you out and watching your back. if you can draw/paint/write poetry use that trade to hustle while locked up. I wrote poems for girlfriends, wives, baby mamas, mothers, aunts, grandmothers, etc while my bunky drew pictures on paper or envelopes (some places allow pictures on envelopes) in Exchange for food, cigarettes, sweets, coffee!, stamps, etc. do not gamble! be careful who you talk to and what about as some law enforcement agencies will have informants on the inside. that's all i got for now
-sincerely,
Missouri doc# (you really think I'm gonna put my number here??)
 
In my last rehab I was told that because I'm good at chess, I'll do alright if I ever get locked up. I didn't take that too seriously, so I also got good at spades.
 
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