Prescription's scrawled signature lands woman in jail

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Prescription's scrawled signature, jumbled numbers land well-intentioned Portland woman in jail
Andy Dworkin
The Oregonian
4.4.10



If you wonder why more and more doctors prescribe drugs electronically, ask Catherine Hoagland.

The Portland woman was jailed for several hours on Monday when she tried to help her nephew by filling a prescription at a local Rite-Aid. Officers thought the prescription was faked. It wasn't. Instead, Hoagland was derailed by a series of errors, including one that's almost a punch line: Bad doctor handwriting.

"The gist of it is, the practitioner, her name was not legible," said Lisa Vance, chief executive of Providence Portland Medical Center, where Hoagland's nephew was treated. "We feel terrible, actually mortified, at the fact that this poor woman was questioned and detained about this."

Like many errors in medicine, and life, several small failures collided in a busy, distracting environment. Hoagland's sister, Hope Arias, took her 19-year-old son Andrew Chandler to the ER with intense pain and a face swollen from an infected tooth. Doctors prescribed an antibiotic and pain killer in easy-to-swallow liquid form. But those elixirs must be hand-made and are expensive -- roughly $300, Arias said.

When Arias went back to get prescriptions for cheaper pills, a nurse practitioner paused in the busy ER to help. Three things went wrong: The practitioner's signature was unreadable. She mixed up digits in the federal registration number doctors need to prescribe narcotics. And the new prescription wasn't immediately logged into the patient record.

"It was human error," Vance said.

Since Arias is disabled, Hoagland went to fetch the medicine. Pharmacists questioned the prescription and phoned the hospital, faxing over a copy. A nurse found no record of the number or prescription and couldn't read the practitioner's name, so the pharmacy called the sheriff.

Hoagland was smoking outside the pharmacy when officers came to handcuff her. She was booked into jail for tampering with drug records, given a small brown sack lunch and one phone call. Bail was set at $750.

"It was stressful," Hoagland said. "I've never been arrested before in my life."

Arias, officers and the hospital figured out the problem, and Hoagland was released several hours later. Charges were dropped Thursday. Vance said Providence is offering to help Hoagland have the arrest expunged from her record, to pay for Chandler's care and help him get the dental work he needs.

Providence is working on steps to prevent such errors, Vance said. The ultimate solution may be replacing paper pads with electronic prescriptions. While the ER still uses paper pads, Vance said, about 85 percent of Providence Portland's inpatient system is electronic and the whole hospital hopes to use "eScripts" by next year. Those prescriptions don't have handwriting and are automatically recorded.

Other doctors and hospitals are moving toward electronic prescribing, and the government has offered stimulus money to help fund those changes. Studies show electronic prescriptions often reduce errors, though they may add a few new kinds of mistakes, depending on the systems' design. For instance, doctors may click the wrong item in systems with drop-down menus.

"I'm so sorry to the aunt," Vance said. "This should not have happened and we are working to make sure this doesn't happen again."

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What a travesty. Trouble always starts when people call the cops. Couldn't the pharmacy simply have rejected the prescription and requested the customer go back and get a legible copy? Too many stupid people and too many stupid laws.

Why do we even need a permission from a doctor to buy medicine anyway?
 
^^^ seriously, I've always thought that handwriting is indicative of that person's character, namely the amount of care that person puts in to every activity. For it to be illegible, just shows to be that they don't care at all. This isn't always the rule but I find to be somewhat true.
 
What a travesty. Trouble always starts when people call the cops. Couldn't the pharmacy simply have rejected the prescription and requested the customer go back and get a legible copy? Too many stupid people and too many stupid laws.

Why do we even need a permission from a doctor to buy medicine anyway?

Amen!

The pharmacy was completely out-of-line by calling the cops. If someone has a legitimate prescription, fill it. If the person doesn't have a valid prescription, then don't fill it. It's as simple as that. The pharmacy's only response should be "I'm very sorry sir/ma'am, but we can't fill this prescription at this time because x, y, and/or z is incorrectly filled out."

Honestly, pharmacy's act so high-and-mighty for a bunch of glorified legal drug-pushers. Most pharmacists aren't professionals any more anyways, they're usually indistinguishable from the other Rite-Aid employees and are present only as a necessary formality.
 
What was the real danger, the real reason why the pharmacy called the cops?
Because a woman might have faked a prescription for an antibiotic and pain reliever?
Would that have really been so horrible?
Was that worth taking the time of people what are supposed to protect us from violent crime?
 
^^^ seriously, I've always thought that handwriting is indicative of that person's character, namely the amount of care that person puts in to every activity. For it to be illegible, just shows to be that they don't care at all. This isn't always the rule but I find to be somewhat true.

Many people in Japan would agree with you.
The seem to think, "Why write if you aren't taking the time to do it respectfully, clearly, etc.?"
 
Why do we even need a permission from a doctor to buy medicine anyway?

Because lay people aren't capable of accurately diagnosing most diseases, let alone choosing what medications to take, in what doses, and checking for interactions, etc. If we had a system where you could simply decide that you have a disorder and walk out of a pharmacy with whatever drugs you wanted (toxic or not), we would have a lot of deaths on our hands.
 
Because lay people aren't capable of accurately diagnosing most diseases, let alone choosing what medications to take, in what doses, and checking for interactions, etc. If we had a system where you could simply decide that you have a disorder and walk out of a pharmacy with whatever drugs you wanted (toxic or not), we would have a lot of deaths on our hands.

Just because most people are dumb doesn't mean I am. Perhaps this is a form of social darwinism that should just run its course? Doesn't affect me lol. I'd be embarrassed to know people who it does.

About Japan, words to live by-
 
90% of doctors (and the same goes for lawyers) have an impossible to read writing anyway.
Ask a pharmacist, they'll tell you the same thing.
 
Because lay people aren't capable of accurately diagnosing most diseases, let alone choosing what medications to take, in what doses, and checking for interactions, etc. If we had a system where you could simply decide that you have a disorder and walk out of a pharmacy with whatever drugs you wanted (toxic or not), we would have a lot of deaths on our hands.

Huaca is absolutely right. Pharmacists are there to prevent dangerous interactions, not to make sure you aren't having fun with your drugs. As a budding pharmacist, I'm dumbfounded as to why they would call the cops. They should always call the doc when in doubt. I've had docs misprint their DEA# before, and god knows their writing can suck ass.
 
^^ I think this is code for pharmacists, if it is legible, then it is not legit lol

hahahaha so true lol

Pharmacists piss me off now. As Roger&Me said, pharmacists are so bloody egotistic it's not funny. They don't even have to do anything anymore except type some shit in to a computer and print it out. Now, the old real chemists, who actually made the drugs, I would have respect for them.
 
^No doubt there are still great pharmacists out there but you usually won't find them at walgreens, CVS, or the like.
 
I think that Huaca and the rest of you are really disregarding the fact that lay people should not be able to prescribe medicine. There is a world of damage that could be done if people just decided that they had various conditions and took whatever medication in whatever doses they want. Cancer would also be the biggest problem because it is can be misdiagnosed as several other ailments until it's too late. Doctors are very necessary. As are pharmacists. Having a system where you walk into a store and buy whatever drugs you want off a shelf would be reckless.
 
Pharmacists piss me off now. As Roger&Me said, pharmacists are so bloody egotistic it's not funny. They don't even have to do anything anymore except type some shit in to a computer and print it out. Now, the old real chemists, who actually made the drugs, I would have respect for them.

I was in a year-long relationship with a hospital pharmacist and spent a bit of time in the pharmacy itself with her colleagues and other technicians (wannabe pharmacists). Egotistical isn't the word - they looked down on the doctors! Having said that, the amount of stories I heard (and saw) about the incompetence of doctors when it came to prescribing, it's no wonder they had that sort of attitude. Doctors often got dosages wrong, or prescribed something that was contraindicated for the patient or current medication.
 
Doctors often got dosages wrong, or prescribed something that was contraindicated for the patient or current medication.

This is exactly why pharmacists aren't just the "type-shit-in-and-count-pills" busy-bees that most people think they are. You go to pharm school for a reason. If it was all about counting pills, then it would be a 30 minute course and not years of education.
 
I think that Huaca and the rest of you are really disregarding the fact that lay people should not be able to prescribe medicine. There is a world of damage that could be done if people just decided that they had various conditions and took whatever medication in whatever doses they want. Cancer would also be the biggest problem because it is can be misdiagnosed as several other ailments until it's too late. Doctors are very necessary. As are pharmacists. Having a system where you walk into a store and buy whatever drugs you want off a shelf would be reckless.

You wouldn't be prevented from seeing a doctor if you wanted them to help you with a medical recommendation, you just shouldn't have to.

Kind of like, I don't need a mechanics prescription to buy car parts at Kragen. I can take it to a mechanic or I can work on the car myself. And if you screw up fixing your own brakes, it can be deadly.
 
This is exactly why pharmacists aren't just the "type-shit-in-and-count-pills" busy-bees that most people think they are. You go to pharm school for a reason. If it was all about counting pills, then it would be a 30 minute course and not years of education.

Indeed. Despite their egotistical nature, they DID work and study damn hard. As you say, I don't think people realise the responsibility that falls on their shoulders. If a doctor makes a mistake - it's picked up by the pharmacist. If a pharmacist makes an error..
 
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