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Harm Reduction Prescribed Alprazolam and Subs, not getting what I need out of either.

Hollowpoint2020

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Lemme tell ya about my friend.. and he’s only asking becauae the only option left to him seems to be obtaining opiates from the street… which he’s never done just a little blow in his younger party days, no needles/fent etc… but there seems to be not other relief possible…

apologize for the long post. Tryin to explain it well as he’s gettin to the end of his rope here….

Well it’s kinda a train wreck scenario here, he wound up taking a job out of province (Canada) 3 years ago, he works as a consultant in a very specific field. There are no days off and you work hundreds of days in a row sometimes or until project completion, the only exception being Dec 22nd to Jan 5th ish for the holidays. No time to travel back 13 hours each way to the AB boarder to fill his script every 4 weeks is where I’m going..
Long story they allowed his interprovincial oxy script for months (in the interest of reduced travel) and one day that covid exemption was rolled back. He didn’t even know he was operating under that premise. So he was stuck with one choice, lose his much needed job and go back to AB for the script , or accept the recommendation to go to the Chilliwack OAT clinic… he knew fuckin nothing about any of it or what OAT was even…

They gave him morphine, told em he don’t respond at all to it well in the past So he went from 120-200mg of oxy a day (for 15 years or so. to 1200mg of morph eslon a day in a week. After working 16 hours a day and then having to stand in line to witness daily, sometimes while his co workers occasionally came into the pharmacy and seen him in the “special line” he demanded something that will not add another hour to the day as hes almost fallin asleep at the wheel from exhaustion as it is.

Enter Suboxone micro induction. The worst motherfucking 10 days of his life, you’ll see one a past posts where he lost vision sorta.. at one point… the withdrawal was so bad that his pupils would not constrict even with an iPhone light on em in a bright bathroom, suspecting that being the cause somehow.

So now he’s fuckin tarred with this god damn Suboxone brush at 32mg a day for years, managed to cut to 16 in a month on his own. In the last 7 months the doctor started giving him 192 .25mg alpraz tablets per 4 weeks as well.

Doc refuses to give him any dillauded for the extreme days (wasn’t even at work this Xmas and couldn’t get outta bed without yelling and my dad helping him..) he has nobody in his corner and quality of life has disappeared completely. Like even in Chilliwack they would give some Dilly’s for the extreme pain, and when they ran out of that small supply there would be no WD cause he never stopped the subs… Dr refuses to accept this is physically possible… (he is the town dud of a Dr but there was no other options upon arrival) or provide any other options. He knows the patient got cornered into this drug.. but still put OUD as the first word in his chart.. even though he never ran out early, never smoked or poked, never fent, never street dope…. Passed every drug test with expected drugs present.. what more could he do..

2 questions…

1. Anyone in BC or AB that can point him to some kinda safe supply/patient advocate… for the god damn sanity/quality of life for what remains of it… he’s tired of screaming while getting outta bed, tired of wondering if he should keep going.. they’ve ruined him. He dont expect 500 dilly’s a month man. Give him 2-4 nights a month he can fuckin not wanna cry is all. He don’t give a fuck (the DR) it’s small town and
The patient may of sold dope years back like 15 (now 37 y/o) and the doc did a 180 once he found that out and only keeps the alpraz going cause he kinda has to.. some pain relief is needed in a major way he can’t do it anymore, can he make these subs work better somehow? He still gets 32mg a day… even though he cut down to 16.. at the dr advice… now being told he will never get anything for the rest of his life he told him he’s staying at 32 then why not…

2. Before his office assistant told him about my pals rumoured past, he aggressively suggested I switch from 10-20mg of Valium (20 pills a month) to those 192 .25mg alprazolam… I don’t know if it’s because of my extreme alcohol tolerance or what (currently sober and never mixes pills and booze when he rarely drinks) and has never got much relief on that front either. For theory sake what potentiators are out there other than grapefruit juice and Zantac ? He’s got access to Selank, Mexidol, Adaptol, Afobazole, Picamillion, Phenibut and Propanalol. Not looking to do anything dangerous, not even suggesting he will, just food for thought… at 360 pounds 6’2” and being active all day, his tolerance has been huge all his life, even with surgeries and getting put under is a a challenge to paint the picture..

A guy like that, whose in that much pain… what would he do in theory with the tools at his disposal to have an occasional smile or just not a fucking want to cry and give up 1-4 days a month (he ain’t askin for the world… but this marathon that guys been on is getting toooo long)

And as far as the major stress he endures working like that , the worst thing he can do is go back to 3-4 bottles of rye a day and ruin his life further… his old lady died a few years back and he’s tryin to move on and have a quality life..so making those Alpraz work a little better when needed would be worth it to him I’m sure to research on his own. And make his own call if need by, for conversation sake.

Someone help him get some pain relief… and maybe if possible some stress relief to before his heart pops one day. Thanks. Feel free to Dm
 
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^ I would not trust that one single bit.

Someone who is not principled against reporting it will shortly I am sure

bupe and alp are about as good as you are likely to get --- alot of sub and benzo drs with object to the combo vehemently. (mine did). That said you can always try and get an increased dosage?


Marijuana? I presume you smoke but if not --- seems to make everything better for me lol.

Unfortunately alcohol is where alot of us land -- and die due to prohibition of better and less harmful substances.
 
^ I would not trust that one single bit.

Someone who is not principled against reporting it will shortly I am sure

bupe and alp are about as good as you are likely to get --- alot of sub and benzo drs with object to the combo vehemently. (mine did). That said you can always try and get an increased dosage?


Marijuana? I presume you smoke but if not --- seems to make everything better for me lol.

Unfortunately alcohol is where alot of us land -- and die due to prohibition of better and less harmful substances.
Well I’m not in the habit of lying, I had some pretty hard drinking problems which required me to go to the hospital for detox… 2 60’s or “handles” they say in the US I believe.. so 120 oz a day… no detox would take me on. Checked in with a bp of 70 over 30 something feeling great. In 6 hours was 220 plus, that doctor said I took 54 valium in 24 hours. This was after my old lady died when I was 27. I’ve had it under wraps for the last few years tho and casually drink now with no issues.

As that doctor explained to me is the higher the booze tolerance the higher the benzo tolerance sometimes, being 380 and over 6’ I’m a big guy to. So long story short I try to keep it to no more than a six pack and a Mickey at most, usually 2-4 vodka sodas in a can tho.. it don’t help much.

And ya the marijuana I stick to a 30% thc 15%cbn 15%cbd vape “box hot brand couchlock Kush” it helps in general but not with the big time pain or the big time anxiety actually I can’t when the anxiety is there already..

Used to take a little GABA orally from the health food store. And I’ve tried those anxiolytics I listed. Phenibut was way too strong, selank was good at work, and the rest I’ve hardly tried.
 
@Hollowpoint2020 Not you -- there was a shill withe a telegram and whatsapp address saying "They could help you" --- It has since been deleted (no surprise) Srry sometimes editing will do that to me! (I know its non intentional - in this section)

Booze and Benzos do both act on the same receptor largely -- the Gaba receptor I do believe so no surprise gaba is somethin you like.

again sorry you thought I accused you of being untrustworthy and perceived me threatening to report you -- not a great welcome wagon!! I was only trying to stop a sure ripoff

Okay you smoke --- uhh benadryl. I came down from a benzo habit most would accuse me of being in the habit of lying when I drop the # -- triple digit mgs xanax equivalent (higher actually)...

I feel where you are coming from man and there just isn't alot of great paths left. Could buy some years of happiness with opiate/oids but you well only end up in a deeper pit psychologically afterwards....

Sincerely best of luck and I am around if you got anymore questions
 
@Hollowpoint2020 Not you -- there was a shill withe a telegram and whatsapp address saying "They could help you" --- It has since been deleted (no surprise) Srry sometimes editing will do that to me! (I know its non intentional - in this section)

Booze and Benzos do both act on the same receptor largely -- the Gaba receptor I do believe so no surprise gaba is somethin you like.

again sorry you thought I accused you of being untrustworthy and perceived me threatening to report you -- not a great welcome wagon!! I was only trying to stop a sure ripoff

Okay you smoke --- uhh benadryl. I came down from a benzo habit most would accuse me of being in the habit of lying when I drop the # -- triple digit mgs xanax equivalent (higher actually)...

I feel where you are coming from man and there just isn't alot of great paths left. Could buy some years of happiness with opiate/oids but you well only end up in a deeper pit psychologically afterwards....

Sincerely best of luck and I am around if you got anymore questions
No all good, I do actually remember an email in my inbox now, I get so many i deleted it before I actually had time to log in. But I was actually not thinking that way. It’s all good man. I just honestly am at the end here not threatening suicide or what whatever, I mean I started TRT it did a lot for me, but with all that activity I get more sore, then lay around for 2-3 days. Kinda like an unwinnable cycle. I am very low on it, and it’s a small dose but for the first two weeks it was great till I felt good enough to lift again. Then the back cratered in a week.

I know a little about pharmacology, CYP inhibitors etc. It’s kinda wild in my country that if your gonna say fuck it 100% and pick up the pin and some F, they’ll give ya as much dillauded as they feel will match your F habit to keep ya in “safe supply” and I’m here like stuck in limbo I either become a serve needle addict “no offense to anyone” to get the help I need. Or sit here forever. Kinda wild. And ya man I was born into a family of high functioning alcoholics, i am the only one who’s not wealthy actually. I wish that the booze thing didn’t escalate at such a pace, as it does help my back. I also work as a consultant 90 some hours a week so I can’t be drunk at work like the old days..

It’s a tough one. Just need a “breather” a couple times a month ya know.. anyway thanks for the reply.
 
I hate to recommend deception but couldnt you just say you are a serious F attic who smokes or snorts (So ya dont gotta worry bout tracks) than get that 'as much dilauded as wanted' -- cuz that sounds like a good deal

oh wait opi's arent your problem are they nvm than that is a bad road!! (Better than suicide but there is a middle ground somewhere)

Are benzos scheduled including analogs in the country you live in? Always try the darknet
 
I hate to recommend deception but couldnt you just say you are a serious F attic who smokes or snorts (So ya dont gotta worry bout tracks) than get that 'as much dilauded as wanted' -- cuz that sounds like a good deal

oh wait opi's arent your problem are they nvm than that is a bad road!! (Better than suicide but there is a middle ground somewhere)
They were never an out of control problem at all, here if ya switch provinces, like states, they refuse to fill a script which I didn’t know, so happens the project was close to Vancouver BC the opiate capital of North America, So the local docs they sent me to, eventually sold me on this Suboxone shit, My teeth have half rotted besides 3x Dailey brushing, and she’s been a painful event. I don’t do that other stuff, I guess I kinda tried it once drinking and poor judgement when the shady 80’s came out. But ya they lab test ya at every visit and verify your taking what’s prescribed and nothing else, they let weed fly, and I failed for blow once after my buddy’s bachelor party and they could tell it was minimal. So I couldn’t just say it. I got an oz of kratom I doubt it can punch through the subs like dilly’s tho, I found an old bottle of percs from right after a surgery not long ago and they don’t do much, I think the 8 Tylenol componany mighta cut through more that day.
 
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