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Pregnenolone

Jamshyd

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(Yes, you can see I've spent quite a bit of time at the health food store!!)

This made me think, and then search this forum, and it seems to me that onely really one person on BL has tried this and he seems to swear by it.

What exactly is the deal with this?

I have always been weary of taking dietary supplements that directly mess with one's endocrine system. I am specifically alarmed by the apparent explosion of "estrogen inhibitors" on the market (though I believe this is not too related to the one at hand).

Any clarification on this one, its mechanism of action, personal experiences...etc would be appreciate it.


EDIT: Hrm... perhaps this would have been more at home in Healthy Living. Oh well.
 
Well, health stores stock B1. Cleave with a nitrite and chlorinate. Voila, Hemineverin :)
 
I don't think clomethiazole is controlled anywhere. It's structure means that the CSA wouldn't hold up (it's method of action is different from other downers).
 
Well, it's unrelated to other depressants, but does that mean that it's effect is unrelated to barbs benzos or other ringed depressants?

looks like it's most similar to barbs:

Monique Vincens1, Alain Enjalbert2, Kenneth G. Lloyd3, Jean-Jacques Paillard4, Françoise Thuret3, Claude Kordon2 and Paul Lechat1 Contact Information
(1) Institut de Pharmacologie, 15, rue de l'Ecole de Médecine, F-75006 Paris, France
(2) INSERM U 159, 2ter rue d'Alésia, F-75014 Paris, France
(3) Laboratoire d'Etude et de Recherches Synthélabo (LERS), 31 avenue Paul Vaillant-Couturier, F-92220 Bagneux, France
(4) PHARMUKA Laboratories, Groupe Rhône-Poulenc-Santé, 35, Quai du Moulin de Cage, F-92231 Gennevilliers, France

Received: 20 June 1988 Accepted: 10 January 1989
Summary Clomethiazole (CLOM) is known to be an anti-convulsant drug and has been also reported to decrease serum prolactin (PRL) in humans. Both effects may be mediated by an enhancement of gabaergic transmission. In order to determine if (CLOM) interacts with GABA metabolism and/or at the GABA receptor level, we studied its effect on PRL release and on the binding of various compounds that interact with the GABAA-benzodiazepine-receptor complex. Intraperitoneal (IP) administration of CLOM to rats significantly decreased PRL levels, and this effect was antagonized by IP administration of bicuculline, an antagonist of the GABAA receptor. In vitro, the inhibitory effect of muscimol on PRL release from rat hemiadenohypophysis was potentiated in a dose-dependent manner by preincubation with CLOM. This effect was antagonized by picrotoxin (10–6 M). On the other hand, CLOM had no effect on GABA metabolism and did not compete with GABAA, GABAB or benzodiazepine binding sites in cortical membranes. GLOM competed, however, with the picrotoxin binding site labelled with [35S]-butylbicyclophosphoro-thionate (TBPS), at an IC50 value of 1.2 × 10–4 M, which is in the same range as some barbiturates. These results concerning PRL release and binding experiments with cortical membranes suggest that GLOM interacts with the picrotoxin/barbiturate site of the GABAA-receptor-chloride channel complex.

Key-words Clomethiazole - GABAA-receptor complex - Prolactin
 
I think yaesutom was the one who turned me on to pregnenolone. I have 10 mg sublingual tablets. The instructions on the box say to take from 1 to 5 daily.

As for its effects, it subtly enhances memory-forming ability for the duration of its action and perception. The effect on perception is not unlike (though still very different) that experienced on very low doses of LSD or mushrooms: very mild color enhancement, mild increase in the ability to discern the edges of objects (= "sharper" vision), and generally increased sensory sensitivity. Small details and subtleties of sounds, sights, smells and tastes which are not normally noticed are more apparent without conscious effort.

It seems to be similar to piracetam in terms of perceptual changes, though not nearly as strong a cognitive booster. Pregnenolone is also similar piracetam in that the inexperienced user of drugs might not be aware of its effects.

It helps me to remember trips and dreams, as well as maybe increasing their intensity, though this effect on the overall intensity could easily be psychosomatic or unrelated to pregnenolone.
 
^ I am just wondering, do you (or Tom) worry at all about the long-term effects of pregnenolone on your endocrine system? I mean to me it seems not unlike taking a steroid...
 
its fantastic synthesis in any case, in the fantasy sense of the word.

Back on topic,
there are quite a few 'neurosteroids', some are potent sedatives. I will dig out the data at some point, a lot were discovered during screening of steroids as estrogens..
 
I usually take it for maybe 2 or 3 weeks at a time, then forget about it for a couple months, remember "Oh wow, I forgot how great pregnenolone is...", etc.

You'd have to ask Tom about his experiences... he didn't mention how often he used it.

Forgot to say... preg + piracetam synergized pleasantly, and then, when you add something like LSD to the mix, ohhh boy, watch out!
 
its fantastic synthesis in any case, in the fantasy sense of the word.

Lol, I'm gonna have to remember this one and use it sometime =D

*mumbles something about synth discussion and staying on topic*

My apologies, good sir :)

Forgot to say... preg + piracetam synergized pleasantly, and then, when you add something like LSD to the mix, ohhh boy, watch out!

Sounds promising...would you say it boosted the effects of LSD? A good potentiator, perhaps?
 
I've also been interested in Pregnenolone. Here's some info I found:
Pregnenolone

As we age, many of us come to accept that certain conditions are inevitable. Our once-sharp short-term memory now leaves us wondering where we left our wallet or purse. Acquaintances’ names seem to slip our minds a bit more often. Days of endless energy and desire have left us for days filled with fatigue and little motivation. We may find ourselves feeling more anxious or even depressed at times. For some of us, debilitating conditions such as Alzheimer’s disease, arthritis, and coronary artery disease may play a predominant role in our lives. What if a supplement could turn back the clock and help restore the quality of life we once had? Researchers have shown that a naturally occurring hormone called pregnenolone may be just what we need.

Pregnenolone is a precursor to the body’s other naturally occurring hormones, including dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, and cortisol.1 Pregnenolone is synthesized directly from cholesterol and is responsible for countless functions in our bodies. By the age of 75, however, the body’s production of this valuable hormone has declined by as much as 60%,2 and levels of the hormones for which pregnenolone is a precursor have also diminished.

Today, growing numbers of men and women are correcting hormone imbalances using bioidentical hormones. Doctors are becoming increasingly adept at restoring youthful levels of estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and sometimes DHEA, using molecularly identical forms of these hormones. All too often, however, they leave pregnenolone out of their hormone regimens. Does it seem appropriate to replace only some of the hormones that have declined, when in fact all hormones have important functions in the body? After all, youthful adults have optimal levels of all hormones, not just a few.

Supplemental pregnenolone is molecularly identical to the pregnenolone that the body makes naturally.3 The raw material to create pregnenolone comes from wild yams (Dioscorea villosa), which are grown in Mexico and other tropical regions throughout the world.
Enhancing Memory and Cognition

Boosting acetylcholine levels, increasing neurogenesis (the creation of new neurons), and regulating gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) are among the ways pregnenolone may help improve memory and cognitive function.4-6 Acetylcholine is a critical neurotransmitter that helps brain cells communicate with each other. Many Alzheimer’s medications, such as Aricept® and Reminyl®, work by inhibiting the breakdown of acetylcholine. In one study, French researchers discovered that infusing pregnenolone sulfate (a sulfated derivative of pregnenolone) into the brains of rats boosted acetylcholine release by 50% while improving cognitive recognition of a familiar environment.4

Neurons are cells that send and receive electrical signals to and from other parts of the body, thus controlling all functions in humans and animals. Neurogenesis gives hope to those with chronic, debilitating diseases such as Alzheimer’s, Huntington’s, and Parkinson’s. Aware that neurogenesis is sensitive to hormonal influences, researchers examined the effect of pregnenolone sulfate on neurogenesis in young and old rats.5 Infusion with pregnenolone sulfate increased nerve growth in both 3- and 20-month-old rats. The researchers concluded that pregnenolone could prevent the appearance of age-related cognitive disturbances.

GABA is another critical neurotransmitter involved in proper cognitive function. An inhibitory neurotransmitter that aids in relaxation and sleep, GABA acts as a “balancer” for the brain, helping balance excitation with inhibition. Pregnenolone may inhibit or enhance the activity of GABA receptors, thus helping modulate nervous system function.6
Countering Fatigue and Stress

Today, we know that excessive stress can have serious health consequences. High blood pressure (hypertension), increased fatigue, and a weakened immune system are just a few conditions caused by high stress levels. Pregnenolone may play an important role in the body’s response to stress.7

A research group of industrial psychologists studied pregnenolone’s effects on enhancing job performance in students and workers. They found that pregnenolone helped both groups learn and remember difficult tasks. Pregnenolone not only enhanced job performance, but also helped produce heightened feelings of well-being in the test subjects.7

During periods of stress, the output of adrenal hormones increases. Increased output of these hormones has been associated with increased fatigue in army pilots, resulting in poor performance. In a study of pilots under stress, 50 mg of pregnenolone daily improved performance with no adverse side effects.7
Alleviating Arthritis Symptoms

Even when energy levels are high, arthritis may still prevent many aging adults from enjoying the activities of their youth. Several studies have reported the benefits of pregnenolone in arthritic conditions.8

In one study of pregnenolone therapy in rheumatoid arthritis, six of 11 patients experienced moderate to marked improvement in joint pain and joint mobility. In one person who suffered from gout and was unresponsive to traditional medications, pregnenolone therapy resulted in a dramatic response within three days of initiating therapy. This patient received daily, intramuscular injections of 300 mg of pregnenolone for four weeks, followed by a weekly maintenance dose of 200 mg.7
Lowering Excess Cholesterol

Coronary artery disease occurs when the arteries that supply blood to the heart become occluded, a condition resulting from the buildup of plaque on the inner walls or lining of the arteries (atherosclerosis). Excess cholesterol can contribute to plaque buildup in the arteries. Restoring hormones such as pregnenolone to youthful levels has been shown to lower cholesterol.9 In one study, patients received hormone restoration therapy with pregnenolone, DHEA, tri-estrogen gel, progesterone gel, and testosterone gel to correct high cholesterol levels. The subjects’ average total cholesterol at the beginning of this study—263.5 mg/dL—was reduced to 187.9 mg/dL after treatment. The study results suggest that when hormones are in optimal proportions, the body’s tendency to manufacture excess cholesterol may be normalized.9
Combating Depression

Antidepressant medications not only are associated with a host of adverse side effects—loss of libido, weight gain, constipation, and insomnia, just to name a few—but also do little to address underlying causes of depression or anxiety. Numerous studies demonstrate that a deficiency of pregnenolone may be linked to depression.10

In one study, subjects with either current depression or a history of depression were found to have significantly lower levels of pregnenolone than healthy individuals. Additionally, patients with active depression had lower levels of pregnenolone compared to those with a prior history of depression.10 While studies of pregnenolone’s effectiveness in treating depression are lacking, previous clinical trials have demonstrated that daily doses of 25-75 mg enhanced feelings of well-being in some individuals.7
Conclusion

We now know pregnenolone may help prevent or ease many of the effects of aging. For some, improved memory, increased energy levels, or elevated mood may be just what the doctor ordered. For others, preventing the onset of Alzheimer’s disease, arthritis, or coronary heart disease are important health goals.

An additional advantage of bioidentical hormones such as pregnenolone is that they go to work quickly in the body. Scientific studies demonstrate that pregnenolone is able to improve myriad health conditions in a relatively short period. Although pregnenolone is generally considered safe even at high doses, the only way to determine an appropriate dose is through blood testing. It is suggested that serum pregnenolone levels of 180 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) for men and 200 ng/dL for women may be optimal.
References

1. Akwa Y, Young J, Kabbadj K, et al. Neurosteroids: biosynthesis, metabolism and function of pregnenolone and dehydroepiandrosterone in the brain. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 1991;40(1-3):71-81.

2. Havlikova H, Hill M, Hampl R, Starka L. Sex- and age-related changes in epitestosterone in relation to pregnenolone sulfate and testosterone in normal subjects. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2002 May;87(5):2225-31.

3. Araghiniknam M, Chung S, Nelson-White T, Eskelson C, Watson RR. Antioxidant activity of dioscorea and dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) in older humans. Life Sci. 1996;59(11):L147-57.

4. Darnaudery M, Pallares M, Piazza PV, Le Moal M, Mayo W. The neurosteroid pregnenolone sulfate infused into the medial septum nucleus increases hippocampal acetylcholine and spatial memory in rats. Brain Res. 2002 Oct 4;951(2):237-42.

5. Mayo W, Lemaire V, Malaterre J, et al. Pregnenolone sulfate enhances neurogenesis and PSA-NCAM in young and aged hippocampus. Neurobiol Aging. 2005 Jan;26(1):103-14.

6. Jaliffa CO, Howard S, Hoijman E, et al. Effect of neurosteroids on the retinal gabaergic system and electroretinographic activity in the golden hamster. J Neurochem. 2005 Jul 11.

7. Roberts E. Pregneolone—from Selye to Alzheimer and a model of the pregnenolone sulfate binding site on the GABAA receptor. Biochem Pharmacol. 1995 Jan 6;49(1):1-16.

8. McGavack TH, Chevalley J, Weissberg J. The use of delta 5-pregnenolone in various clinical disorders. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1951 Jun;11(6):559-77.

9. Dzugan SA, Arnold SR. Hypercholesterolemia treatment: a new hypothesis or just an accident? Med Hypotheses. 2002 Dec;59(6):751-6.

10. George MS, Guidotti A, Rubinow D, Pan B, Mikalauskas K, Post RM. CSF neuroactive steroids in affective disorders: pregnenolone, progesterone, and DBI. Biol Psychiatry. 1994 May 15;35(10):775-80.
 
DHEA is also interesting, given its high affinity for the sigma receptor, etc.

Keep in mind that PREG will probably raise both testosterone and estradiol levels, but given the low conversion rate, this should only occur at higher dosages. I bet that even 100mg would not significantly increase estradiol levels, but this is just a guess.

Somewhat unrelated, pregnanediones are used in veterinary medicine for inducing anesthesia in cats and perhaps reptiles. I remember having heard it referred to, but at the moment the brand name eludes me (sefran maybe?)
 
Pregnenolone + nitrous = REALLY crazy.. It was like I was able to fully remember (whatever that means) in the dissociated state.

I don't remember all that much else besides some improved memory stuff.. Preg would give me too much anxiety (i read somewhere on the net that taken orally for some reason can do that) so it wasn't something I took regularly (eventually just never took it again)

Here's a thread I started on it in 2004,
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=145309
 
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