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Bupe precipitated withdrawal in people that are non-dependent??

Do not worry about reopening this as it is one question I still have not gotten answered and the more information on it the better. :)

So as a non-dependent user you consumed a small amount of heroin and shortly afterwords started taking bupe and have not experience precipitated withdrawal. I doesn't tell us that much unfortunately due to the small amounts.

What we still need is a opiate clean individual to do a bunch of strong opiates then an hour later take a large dose of an antagonist and see what happens. Back to baseline or painful withdrawal. If anyone has experienced this please speak up!
 
Very true. One thing - I was using heroin around the clock for a week straight. Yesterday was the first time I reduced my purchase to a quarter gram, and saved a small amount for this morning which I slowly smoked over an hour. Then 1.5-2h later slowly tapered myself back on subs (after not being on them the 7-9 days of heroin.) At 2mg, I feel better than I did before I did the sub. What I am referring to is off topic, I agree, but after reading DMV's posts I had to comment on my experiences with doing opiates then sub afterwards, not giving myself the proper amount of time to withdrawl. Maybe I should of opened a new thread for this subject. I plan on doing anohter 2mg within 30m or so - just to be safe. But where I stand now I only feel better, not worse, making me believe that in this situation I will not experience precipitated withdrawls.
 
From my personal experience: No. Before my opiate dependency, I used to take all things recreationally and remember taking some hydros I already had in my possession before going out one night, then being offered my first suboxone about 3 hours later. The person I got it from obviously didn't have any clue about the warnings, so I took it and don't remember any withdrawal. I definitely would have remembered and probably wouldn't have touched suboxone again thinking it was from that.
 
Nice kmatrixg! Thanks for that. Definitely supports the won't cause it withdrawal camp. Do you remember the dosages at all? Primarily how the hydro had you feeling when you took the subs.
 
I'd be able to get high off 25mg hydrocodone back in those innocent days, so I had to have taken a dose around there... I remember taking the sub during the leveled out, "time to nod" buzz. Suboxone brought me back up, almost to a point of mania very fast, >20 minutes. No transition or gradual rise. Half of an 8mg is what I took.
 
That makes sense - 4mg bupe to someone not used to full-agonist opiates all the time would definitely produce a rather interesting high. It does have hella binding affinity, as they would say in North Cali.
 
I've been on subo's since they first came available (even before that when it was only in liquid form) and the only time I've experianced PW is when I stopped doing any for a period of time and was tuned up pretty well on deisel or oxys for a few months. Then yes, you got to wait till you're good and sick amd then only do about 2mgs. But on a daily basis, doing my 2-4mgs. dose, I could use for a bit and not wait at all and feel no PW at all.
 
honestly I have an extremely non-dependant personality. Through my college year currently I have never experienced a withdrawal even when doing 30mg oxy for a month and binging on alcohol for months...

I think addiction is all mental and anyone can overcome it as long as they don't become physically dependent and have to withdrawal.

basically what i am saying is do not get to the level of physical daily usage and you will survive<3
 
Desert-Mirage said:
I think addiction is all mental and anyone can overcome it as long as they don't become physically dependent and have to withdrawal.
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While addiction is certainly psychological, it is more CERTAINLY physical as well.. Opiates create a physical dependence and many times no matter how bad you WANT to stop mentally, you PHYSICALLy can't because you get so sick.

But since you've never had a hardcore habit I wouldn't excpet you to understand the magnitude of what opiate dependence is.
 
I think addiction is all mental and anyone can overcome it as long as they don't become physically dependent and have to withdrawal.
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Like people can overcome mental disorders as well right? And how it is so easy to stop biting your nails :\

Anyways someone who got high for the first time (or the first time in months) and overdosed thereby receiving a shot of naloxone should speak up and say how they felt!
 
i have been opiate free for 6 months I took 12 7.5 mg vics in a 10 hr period. Went to bed high as shit. 2 hours later took 2mg of bupe, no WD got high as shit. then took another 10-15 mg of bupe the next three days. Last day took 2mg then 4 hrs later took 10mg of hydrocodone and got a fat buzz,
 
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