Pot dispensaries closing under threat of feds [updated 6/22]

No it's the language you use.

Assumptions about the intent of the FDA. Boo boo. I smoke cannabis because I'm crazy. If I wasn't crazy I wouldn't even be here. If I was crazy. So did you go back to school or are you only 21? Because you should change your tone. You've got a long time to alienate people by being condescending and arrogant. I've got experience beyond a couple classes as well, but I don't think for a second because I've been through the mental health system and have most of a Neurology degree finished and am bipolar that I know everything. Oh and psychology... there's a science! Wink...

But why do you want to control me? It's the fear. You're aware of it I'm sure having studied all that psychology. Control and anger are directly related to fear. Why do you want to not allow me my simple pleasures? I equate cannabis more to drinking tea. These imagined demons of cannabis legalization don't exist.

Peace,
PL
 
center is a fucking tool. jesus christ.
id like to backfire by saying that canabis is my holy asacrement and that it was given to me by the earth as a present, which promotes peace, healing, sharing, and other good things. its also extrememly anti-carcinogenic and will make you live longer.
there you go center
 
Stop the personal attacks.
I won't mention it again.


center said:
Doing a good job as well.
Ummm, drug prohibition is an utter failure. More lives, not to mention resources, have been lost to this than would have been lost if drugs were legal.


"Do something about it."
It's not that easy to get into politics, let alone push against the status quo that's being upheld by just about every political party out there. To be successful in politics, at least in the US, you have to align yourself with a major party. If you can't do that, you're fucked as far as a career in politics go. And none of the major parties are pro legalization, hell, not even decriminalization.


Point is, you shouldn't have to be a politician to change laws. They should be serving us, after all. The thing is, they and the various industries that profit off of prohibition, spew out their propaganda to keep drugs illegal. Prohibition seems to now be more about the money than the noble notion of "saving people from drugs."

Also, it seems like you're assuming that drugs were made illegal because that's what the constituents wanted... That's not true at all. Look into their history.
 
Listen, phrozen -- I'm quite educated on the subject.

It's just impossible to argue about matters like this, it's barely desirable.

I've said my piece and I'm going to stare at a wall.
 
w/e dude


I hate pot too, but it really doesn't make sense to shit on its users. Which you did in numerous posts. :\

And the fact that you think it, and/or any other drug, should keep their current legal status says that you really aren't educated on the subject.
 
Ok.

I'm not bickering with you about how educated I am or not.

"Yes I am"

"No, you aren't"

This will get nowhere.

Phrozen, smoke another rock- relax, spin your chair around and re-assess the situation.
 
Hey Center- you're really wrong about the federal laws trumping state laws. That's not how the framers intended it to work.

States are supposed to operate, essentially, as independent nations with the federal government taking care of international issues (that's a gross oversimplification, though).

Drug laws are a states rights issue- the federal government had no business with the CSA. They could have continued with Harrison-style tariffs and taxes, but they violated the constitution with the implementation of a federal ban on individual liberties.
 
Obey our country's laws or GET THE FUCK OUT. Stop bitching. Get involved in politics if you want to make a difference.

The laws shouldn't even exist in the first place. They are counterproductive, unjust, unconstitutional and unamerican. This country was originally based on freedom. Drug laws belong in dictatorships like China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, and not in the "land of the free". If you love fascism so much you should get the fuck out of America and go to one of those countries instead. I'm sure you won't see too much law-breaking or bitching about the countries policies there.

Saying that it's the law does not prove anything. Slavery and segregation were the law. I guess all the blacks who were affected by those laws should have just left the country or followed the laws, huh? It wasn't so bad to be treated like a second class citizen, they should have just followed the laws, right?

Get involved in politics?!? LOL

There is no way any regular person could ever get elected to any position that would give them the power the end the war on drugs. Getting elected at the national level requires massive amounts of money, it costs millions and millions of dollars. There is no way to raise that kind of money without the help of the corporate elite. They will never help anyone who wanted to end the war on drugs, because they benefit tremendously from it.

Otherwise stop being a little whiny twat and hoping for marijuana to be legal just so you can buy it at the store...

That's a strawman, there are many other reasons why they should be legal. There is no reason why I shouldn't be able smoke a joint in my own house, without having to worry about having a SWAT team come crashing through my window and hauling me off to jail. I'm not hurting anyone but myself and I'm not violating anyone else's rights. The war on drugs is a massive waste of taxpayers money and law enforcement resources. After all the money that has been spent on it, it has accomplished nothing, other than destroying millions of lives. It's also a violation of American's human and civil rights. Millions of people can't get a decent job and can't vote thanks to the war on drugs. Even if they get out of prison, their lives have been completely destroyed. How does that help our society?

Think about the negatives of marijuana legalization.

Think about the positives of drug prohibition. THERE ARE NO POSITIVES.

it's still a psychoactive drug with unpredictable effects.

Alcohol is too. It is also much more dangerous than marijuana. I have personally known two people who have died as a result of drinking alcohol, one from esophageal varices (bleeding veins inside throat) and another from liver failure. I know someone who has smoked pot since the early 1970's and he is perfectly healthy. Why should one drug, which can easily kill people be legal, while other drugs which are much safer and have never killed anyone, be illegal?

California has state laws which contradict our federal law, and federal law has jurisdiction above all else.

I guess you have never heard of the tenth amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

That means that the federal government has no authority to do anything that is not allowed by the constitution and the states are allowed to do anything that is not forbidden by it. The constitution doesn't mention anything about drugs, so the federal government has no business getting involved in the issue. The drug war actually violates many other parts of the bill of rights, like the first, fourth and eighth amendments but I won't go into that right now.

Weed has no "safe" recreational use in any aspect. I know you're pushing towards legalization, of course, so chew on this-- Besides treatment for the sick, what good would marijuana do for the rest of the country? It surely won't help it. I think it would be asinine to say that this country would be better off if you can go buy a pack of Marlboro Marijuana.

You say it will be a bad thing but you are not doing anything to explain why. Prove it. You can say it will be a bad thing a million times but that won't make it true. If you really believe legalizing pot will hurt more than it will help, give us the reasons why.

The government of our country is of many reasons, there to promote order and protection to it's citizens. That means taking away things from you that could potentially effect you negatively.


Then we should also take away things like televisions, computers, cigarettes, fast food, cars etc.. The number one reason Americans die is from heart disease, not "cannabis overdose".

The government could never ban everything that could potentially affect us negatively. Almost everything could do that, and I mean EVERYTHING.

Drugs are not illegal because government officials want to protect us from ourselves, they don't care about protecting us at all. They only care about protecting their own money and power. Drugs are illegal because the pharmaceutical, law enforcement, tobacco, alcohol, and prison industries profit from the drug war. They are also illegal because it helps the corporate elite keep the poor and disadvantaged in that position, so they never threaten their power.
 
Vote Republican, and this shit would'nt have happened. It was a Democrat who illegalized marijuana in the first place, and FDR actually was a large part of the first illegalization acts back when he was a senator

Democrats may have been the ones who originally made it illegal but I think republicans like Nixon and Reagan were the ones who created the actual war on drugs. Political parties change over time and nowadays the democrats are slightly more friendly to drug users.

I wouldn't recommend voting for either party though. Both of them suck IMHO. I think the only political party that supports legalization is the libertarian party. Maybe the green party does too...
 
Thanks to yummy above for compiling these.

Oh my good friend center... What can I say....

Weed has no "safe" recreational use in any aspect. I know you're pushing towards legalization, of course, so chew on this-- Besides treatment for the sick, what good would marijuana do for the rest of the country? It surely won't help it. I think it would be asinine to say that this country would be better off if you can go buy a pack of Marlboro Marijuana.

Marijuana certainly has safe recreational uses. Besides it evoking anxiety and panic attacks, marijuana has almost no negatives. It does not have to be smoked, and were it legal, I rather think that few would choose to smoke it after a generation or two. Or, maybe more likely, vaporization would become the most prevalent method of ingesting it. Previous to the 1930s, very few, if any, smoked marijuana.

Legalized marijuana would do lots of good for the country. First, it would begin competing with alcohol, and we'd likely see a decrease in the rate of binge drinking on college campuses.

Tens of thousands of students barred from financial aid would become eligible, our prisons would no longer be swelling with nonviolent drug offenders. Parents who've been seperated from their children could be reunited.

That's barely scratching the surface of the good marijuana legalization would do.
Obey our country's laws or GET THE FUCK OUT. Stop bitching. Get involved in politics if you want to make a difference.

Perhaps you're not familiar with Henry David Thoreau? Civil disobediance is a wonderful thing. Breaking laws you don't agree with isn't right. Breaking laws that strip our rights and runs counter to the Framers' intentions is not only a good thing, it's the only right thing to do.

Otherwise stop being a little whiny twat and hoping for marijuana to be legal just so you can buy it at the store...

You've really gone off topic, but these patients have the right to proper medication- and if the government impedes that, only suffering will come of it.

The government of our country is of many reasons, there to promote order and protection to it's citizens. That means taking away things from you that could potentially effect you negatively.

Of all the reasons for Government, protecting us from our own selves isn't one.

This might help you clarify your thoughts on the role of government:
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock
 
Id really like to see a response from center as to how the illegality of pot is a positive thing. Billions wasted on trying to stop production, wasted on over crowded prisons, wasted on legal consequences worse than the use of the drug itself.

And don't spew nonsense about getting out of your country if you disobey the laws. I looked through your posts you've used illegal drugs, so i think its time you packed your bags and took a permanent vacation.

What a good little sheep you are, going along with everything the Shepard says, im sure you'll be rewarded for your patriotism...
 
Most I have encountered with similar thought processes as center tend to be teetotalers who believe in bringing back alcohol prohibition. This is not the case with center who says that he enjoys alcohol, which makes his arguments completely hypocritical. He said that cannabis's effects are "unpredictable", well newsflash so are alcohol's effects but 3x stronger and more harmful to the body.

He also made comments about "marijuana marbollos" knowing what I know about cannabis and THC I seriously doubt that cannabis can be mass produced in the same way tobacco is.
 
Go Ham-milton!

Arguing with center is futile. Not because he's right but because he's unable (or unwilling) to understand other peoples arguments. It's like talking to an extremely nasty wall.
 
I can't believe I just read this whole thread, it's literally ridiculous.

First off, pot is usually rated very low on almost every scale or rating in publications I've read... for example:

(1) Heroin (most harmful).
(2) Cocaine.
(3) Barbiturates.
(4) Street Methodone.
(5) Alcohol.

(6) Ketamine.
(7) Benzodiazepines.
(8) Amphetamine.
(9) Tobacco.
(10) Buprenorphine.

(11) Cannabis.
(12) Solvents.
(13) 4-MTA (para-methylthioamphetamine).
(14) LSD.
(15) Methylphenidate (ritalin).

(16) Anabolic steroids.
(17) GHB (gamma hydroxybutyric acid).
(18) Ecstasy.
(19) Alkyl nitrites.
(20) Khat (least harmful).

This was taken from http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/65988.php

I know there's plenty others just like it but they rated these drugs by:

(1) Physical harm to the user,
(2) Tendency to induce dependence in the user, and
(3) The effect of its use on families, communities and society in general.

Second, I have to agree with everyone whose said something along the lines of the war on drugs being a giant waste of money, because it is. I'm not going to say "Oh hey it's natural so it's okay!" because so are a lot of other things that are harmful, look at datura, ha. Wouldn't want a 14 year old taking some of those now would ya?

However, at least marijuana has been proven to show help with various issues, reducing pain as one of them. Pot helps my migraines a lot, and actually relaxes me; yes I know some people have anxiety problems associated with the use of marijuana, but with every drug comes side effects, and I'm not going to exclude marijuana from the list.

It's sad that I can go to a bar and ruin my liver, but I can't go to the store to buy pot, or even legally smoke/ingest pot, which doesn't even have to be carcinogenic if you eat it, or you can vaporize it with minimal harm to your lungs. That does not make any sense to me what so ever, and in fact, I'd rather smoke pot every day for my migraines rather than hurt my liver more by taking ibuprofen or some other medication that I can almost guarantee in time does some sort of harm to my body. There is not really any medication you can take, or any legal drug, that doesn't have a negative side effect.

-DP
 
Just because a plant is harmful doesnt mean you should outlaw it. Do you know just how many plants are poisonous. If youre dumb enough to run around eating shit without any idea as to what it is, then thats the ingesters fault, no one else's. Thus its not anyones responsibility to say "HEY this plants can hurt people, it grows naturally on its own, but we need to outlaw this"

If you go camping do you just run around eating every berry and plant you can find, no, cause you know youd get sick.
 
Don't forget about water, mosquitos, oils from plants-poison ivy or poison oak, I mean potato plants seeds have enough solanine (?) to eventually kill you, it's not an argument about harm minimalization which I thought was apparent to everyone, but good post DP.

No drug will make a healthy person healthier. Every thing that you put into your body changes the balance(s). They can help with one thing and hurt with another. It's the basis of the symbol of modern medicine the Caduceus.

TY for your articulate posts homeys. I thought I was the only one standing up to that tripe.

Peace,
PL
 
center said:
Insightless? Excuse yourself!

A: California has state laws which contradict our federal law, and federal law has jurisdiction above all else. So, on a state level--- you won't be charged by California, your court summons will say Name vs The United States of America.
So let me clear this up. California state laws say that certain people are granted possession. US Federal law says, hey, not in my country. Unfortunately, little California is in this country, it ALSO has to abide by the law. I guess I needed to break it down like that for you.

B: Last time I checked, negative reciprocation for breaking a law was a good deterrent.

C: Weed has no "safe" recreational use in any aspect. I know you're pushing towards legalization, of course, so chew on this-- Besides treatment for the sick, what good would marijuana do for the rest of the country? It surely won't help it. I think it would be asinine to say that this country would be better off if you can go buy a pack of Marlboro Marijuana.

It seems to me, that is what you're saying.

So, 'peace' 'homie'

CNTR
Have you ever read the history of why marijuana was made illegal? Do you not know that it was criminalized b/c:
A. The Dupont petrochemical company paid large amounts of money to support Harry Anslinger's campaign against marijuana, which he used not to protect society but to rise to power, because hemp is a vastly superior and more economical fiber than using trees, meaning widespread use of hemp for fiber would mean less profits for Dupont.

and B. to oppress and demonize mexican migrant workers who came to america to do the jobs rich white people didnt want to do.

Marijuana was not made illegal because its harmful to society. Marijuana was made illegal to make a few people rich and a few people powerful. If you blindly go through life believing that the American government does what it does in our best interests, than you are a stupid fucking person.

As far a weed having a "safe" recreational use, it completely does. Does alcohol not? Use of mild recreation intoxicants for the purpose of relaxation and personal enjoyment is a custom that goes back long before there ever even was a government. People like to use them, and they make them happy, easing the stresses of life and work. Marijuana has far less negative effects than any other recreational intoxicants, and you're a damn fool if you think that people are going to stop using something because there's laws against it. If anything, laws against something as mild as marijuana will make people want to do it more, b/c they try it and say"what the fuck were they talking about? this isn't a horrible thing."

If you think its better to lock people up and fine them money, reducing confidence in the rationality of our government, for using a mild intoxicant than to legalize it and tax it, you're pretty sad.
 
its amazing so much of the declaration was dedicated to acts that the government of these united states is carrying out now against it's citizens via the drug, terror, and green wars. in fact, waging wars against the citizens is explicitly listed as a reason for leaving the kingdom...

man, hancock, jefferson and the lot sure could write, eh?
 
I also feel the need to point out that the citizens of CA voted for medical marijuana to be implemented via a referendum, in the truest sense of the word Democracy. The fact that the feds keep fighting it shows their disdain for the peoples true opinion kinda spits in the face of, well, democracy
 
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