Pot dispensaries closing under threat of feds [updated 6/22]

yeah same, but i don't think people should be locked up for it.

fact is, anyone who believes that, aint gonna get anywhere in US politics.
 
Who is man to ban something god put here? I think it says something about "in god we trust" on our currency
 
God also put hemlock on the earth, for one.

Saying that just because it occurs naturally means it's not harmful is silly.

Who's man to do it? America is. Doing a good job as well.
 
SomeKindaLove said:
Cali's implementation medical marijuana is a complete fiasco because it's been hijacked by people who just want to use the drug recreationally. Not that I think there's anything wrong, but that's exactly what the anti-medical-mj lobby has said would happen. They are not doing the movement any favors.
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agreed. i know so many healthy bodied young people with medical marijuana cards. its a joke. all you need is cash (~$200-$300) for payment to a "medical marijuana specialist" and your in. sucks for the people that have a legitimate reason for it. i think that we'll see the end of the medical system in the not too distant future.
 
center said:
Thank GOD.

Obey our country's laws or GET THE FUCK OUT. Stop bitching. Get involved in politics if you want to make a difference.
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One person can not make a difference in politics. There is injustice in the world. Of course... you're also bitching and I think your blowhard stance is less informed, more beligerent, and stoopider than a position that finds moral/ethical problems with raiding medicial dispensaries. And in California it is the law that marijuana is legal for those deemed medically worthy. A democracy isn't the best system of government but it is supposed to be fairly malleable. Being on this website kind of implies that you don't, in some way, obey the laws of "our country" which ever country that might be.

Leave the country you say? Running away from injustice is not the American Way! FUCK THAT MOTHERFUCKERS!!! USA #1!!! We kick ass everywhere! Why not kick ass at home? Hoo-ahhhh! Take those Nazi fuckers who are getting up in everyone's shit and tell them, "Hey dude... you're righteously uncool taking that sick person's weed or that person who's schiesty doctor gave them a card, because fuck... weed's not a big deal and doesn't fit into the US' definition of a Schedule 1 substance and the circumstances in which it was put in that category were due to politics and racism." Go USA!!!

As for little kids and their welfare I'm not sure if anyone wants themselves to be controlled or their children and definitely not the actions they take with their children's developement. Prohibition laws definitely do not stop little kids from smoking weed or doing anything else. They just tack on arbitrary punishments that put people into a criminal training system and a defensive/victim mindset.

I hope you could understand this post. I tried to cater it towards your overly aggressive, insight-less attitude.

There are a lot of pointless stupid arguments used on either side of the issue. What it comes down to is that everyone thinks they can control their own life and yet their neighbor or whatever stereotype they are thinking of, cannot. People have no faith. In this destructive society people operate on the principle that says EVERYONE can make it to the top if you work hard enough. That is not true, because pretty much NO ONE will but the dream is still alive as is the desperation. People don't want to admit that they have little control over their lives, their fate/future, and that so much has to do with apparent chance. It's safer feeling to think I am in control, I can protect my family, I won't give money to that homeless guy because he obviously ended up homeless because he wasn't like me (bullshit), it's calming to think that action will solve everything, it suppresses fear to not think and be confident in your every action, but... Americans have traded a sense of safety for freedom, happiness, and peace. We've become little machines to further the goals of the extremely rich. People in the US work more than other countries and are less happy and generally do have more money, but what is it worth?

Peace,
PL
 
Insightless? Excuse yourself!

A: California has state laws which contradict our federal law, and federal law has jurisdiction above all else. So, on a state level--- you won't be charged by California, your court summons will say Name vs The United States of America.
So let me clear this up. California state laws say that certain people are granted possession. US Federal law says, hey, not in my country. Unfortunately, little California is in this country, it ALSO has to abide by the law. I guess I needed to break it down like that for you.

B: Last time I checked, negative reciprocation for breaking a law was a good deterrent.

C: Weed has no "safe" recreational use in any aspect. I know you're pushing towards legalization, of course, so chew on this-- Besides treatment for the sick, what good would marijuana do for the rest of the country? It surely won't help it. I think it would be asinine to say that this country would be better off if you can go buy a pack of Marlboro Marijuana.

It seems to me, that is what you're saying.

So, 'peace' 'homie'

CNTR
 
Wow, so all of you guys flame Center because of what he posts?

God forbid someone have a different opinion than the seemingly choreographed response here.

Whatever, I'm all for marijuana, but this medical marijuana stuff is total bullshit, a ruse, and a legal scam. We all know it's not only prescribed for medical stuff, that it's overprescribed, that it's not hard to get a prescription, and that the people 'advocating' medical marijuana just want legalized recreational pot.

Admit it, this idea of medical marijuana is only hurting the legalization cause.

The DEA, along with the FDA, FCC, and many other regulatory agencies, need to be decommissioned.

Vote Republican, and this shit would'nt have happened. It was a Democrat who illegalized marijuana in the first place, and FDR actually was a large part of the first illegalization acts back when he was a senator.

Oh well, it's already 90 years late for that shit...
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Wow, so all of you guys flame Center because of what he posts?

God forbid someone have a different opinion than the seemingly choreographed response here.
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I don't know why people like flaming people just because they have a different opinion, don't you guys want marijuana legalized because it's your right to smoke it? Well it's this guys right to post what he wants to post.
 
I just want to understand this center, no attacks nothing. But so you believe because someone who has been deemed important, but is rather just a human being like everyone else, says that pot is bad stay away this is what we should do? For a plant that grew on its own for however who the fuck knows how long?

Im just saying that doesnt seem right that one guy gets to dictate to me what the fuck i can and cannot do, no i refuse to endorse that stance. It seems even worse that people will blindly listen.

Now this isnt just a matter of fuck i love pot it should be legal nonsense its a matter of my right as a human being to do as i wish, im sure you have been affected negatively before because of one person making a decision he sees fit.

That is my quarrel with these letters being sent, not because im some pot loving fiend, all i want is some god damn respect shown towards me and every other human being that we are in fact seen as equal to them. But when that isnt happening, im sorry but i will not agree with what goes down.

and fyi the current laws DO NOT work. All they do is fill up the cells in jails, forcing more money to be spent and overcrowded jails for people who actually deserve to be locked up. All the drug war does is rack up some more fucking debt. That cost to put that man/woman in jail would be more than to care for his/her bronchitis down the road.

When the consequences are worse than the effects of a drug something is wrong.
 
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Sure. You have the basic human right to carry out any action you would desire.

This doesn't mean that authority will sit back and let you get away with it. The government of our country is of many reasons, there to promote order and protection to it's citizens.

That means taking away things from you that could potentially effect you negatively. Too bad, I'm sorry you don't agree with it, but has it ever dawned to you that your way may not be the best way? Be glad you have a force in authority to regulate your impulses to seek and obtain primal pleasures.

You seem to think that you have human rights to do whatever you want, which is physically true. You can't expect that your actions will be ignored, simply because you were excercising YOUR opinion. I'm sorry. You really can't do much about this...

There's a song that I dedicate to all the whiny crybaby potheads that think freedom of speech means they can say whatever they want without consequence:

You can't always get , what you want...
You can't always get , what you want...
But if you try sometimes... you might find...

YOU GET WHAT YOU NEED.

In this case, you need to not smoke weed recreationally, as doctors whom have been educated far beyond your (although extensive) texts of www.erowid.org would disagree with you that it's safe.

Perhaps for a moment you can try to believe that noone wants to take your pot-parade away, we just want to protect the country from a wave of apathy and general decline.
 
center said:
C: Weed has no "safe" recreational use in any aspect. I know you're pushing towards legalization, of course, so chew on this-- Besides treatment for the sick, what good would marijuana do for the rest of the country? It surely won't help it. I think it would be asinine to say that this country would be better off if you can go buy a pack of Marlboro Marijuana.
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Things don't have to have a use towards pushing the goals of "progress". It doesn't matter what it is. People ahve the right to harm themselves in anyway they want to; productive or non productive. Safety should not be a concern. You will die, but will... you... truly... live? Ahhhhh...

Peace,
PL

EDIT: An understanding of silliness needed for this post. As well as an understanding that the poster is aware that none of the ideas posted will be logically entertained so has therefore abandoned attempts at highly coherent speech and has started utilizing an aspect of silliness to attempt to allow the reader to see the inanity of their arguments, the pointlessness of angry and hopefully allow said reader to relax. Your opinion doesn't matter center. Neither does mine, but the values espoused herein would make your and my life better. You'd probably be less angry. I read a bunch of your posts to try to get an idea of where you were coming from, but they are all condescending, patronizing, and really quite hateful. I'm always down for getting dirty and I do enjoy clever insults, but jesus you sound like Bill O'Reilly. Hugs.
 
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Not in the United States. You do not have the right to harm yourself if you're living under the laws of this country.

This is why 'crying wolf' in concern to suicide often ends in a hospital visit- it's the responsibility of our nation to protect it's people. If that means making you upset that you can't do something harmful to yourself, well, then it's doing it's job of protecting you.

Quit your stoner logic bullshit.
 
Oh and weed does a lot of good things. Hippocampal neurogenesis for one. Same thing that SSRI's do. That is preventitive for neurodegenerative "disease" like Alzheimer's. I have no policy that I'm trying to forward, just basic human rights. The condescending tone of your posts doesn't make them more authoritative. It makes you look like an asshole. I am not the authority on the impact of marijuana on society or the human body, but I do have personal experience with both and have taken a couple classes so I'm doing pretty swell. What have you got mister angry-pants? :)

Calling me homie gets my 9 all warmed up... wink wink...

Government doesn't protect citizens. Government is a machine that is out of control that is aloof. People cannot seem to identify that government is actually just people. People going through the motions of processes that they think they cannot change. I'm not an idealist, but I'm optimistic that if people don't respond to fear they can think rationally. You've made a lot of assumptions that the intent of the government actually ends up being the consequence.

Grrr... an ethanol molecule for an Avatar? Now there's a drug that has positive medical uses.

Peace,
PL
 
I happened to like alcohol, when I could drink. Atleast I'm not breaking any laws. If I was so concerned with my health-- ahm. I simply wouldn't drink.

Now-- homeskillet, peep this- I look like I'm an asshole because you don't like that I have a complete opposite opinion.

Now to briefly touch on your statement about weed being neuroprotective, etc, etc etc, great. I happen to be a semester away from getting my bachelor's degree in psychology. I'll be working with people who suffer from mood disorders and addiction, having experience in both as well, and beyond my share of just a 'couple' courses.

The fact is, even though marijuana does have known medical benefits, it is deemed medically unsafe for uncontrolled consumption by US citizens. The scientists at the FDA have deemed it this, and I'm pretty sure they have a bit more knowledge about the field than someone who's merely taken a couple classes and read some pro-marijuana websites. They have obviously come to a conclusion that the potential risks of marijuana use outweigh the benefits. Plus, stop kidding yourself. I don't think anyone who's brain becomes neuroprotective because of the effects of cannabis were doing it for that reason. If it was an herb with no psychoactive effects, but just a neuroprotective effect, would you smoke it?


Fact of the matter is, a general consensus was reached by the individuals that were elected to serve as an authority for this country-- they may not be who you prefer, however you're going to have to accept that. You can't always get what you want. It sucks, but get a grip. If weed's medical (not recreational) benefits were superceded by potential risks of not only ill effects, but diversion, control issues-- then it would be available for perscription. Our society simply can't handle it, and I wouldn't want anyone and their mother to be able to go get Marlboro Marijuanas.
 
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