johnboy
Bluelight Crew
This forum is for discussing results & usage of EZ-TEST, Green Party, Dancesafe, Chemical Generation/Chemical Solutions and any other brand of reagent based testing Kits.
By results we do not mean individual pills reactions to a reagent unless it is an extremely strange reaction.
If you wish to post a pillreport please do so at pillreports.com.
If you wish to request information on a pill then do so in your regional drug discussion forum:
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If you have any other basic questions about Ecstasy then please post them in the New To XTC forum, or preferably read one of the FAQS or do a search, as your question has probably been answered already a number of times.
Any pillreports or requests posted here will be moved or deleted without warning. They will be moved to the appropriate regional discussion, or the U.S. one as a default (as 90% of fools who dont read this are from that fair continent).
What follows is the start of a FAQ for this forum:
from a post by Chemical Generation about good testing technique
By results we do not mean individual pills reactions to a reagent unless it is an extremely strange reaction.
If you wish to post a pillreport please do so at pillreports.com.
If you wish to request information on a pill then do so in your regional drug discussion forum:
North & South America Drug Discussion
Europe, UK and Africa Drug Discussion
Australia/Asia/NZ Drug Discussion
If you have any other basic questions about Ecstasy then please post them in the New To XTC forum, or preferably read one of the FAQS or do a search, as your question has probably been answered already a number of times.
Any pillreports or requests posted here will be moved or deleted without warning. They will be moved to the appropriate regional discussion, or the U.S. one as a default (as 90% of fools who dont read this are from that fair continent).
What follows is the start of a FAQ for this forum:
from a post by Chemical Generation about good testing technique
You really do need to be diligent here, and use your experience. For best results, use a fresh tester at room temperature. Take your scraping, and spead it out to be about 0.7cm in diammeter (approx 1 drop of liquid in size). Don't totally crush it to smitherines, just let it break into it's 'natural' bits.
Drop the liquid onto the sample, and look at it under good white lighting immediately. Not too bright, just good white light. Immediately start to swirl the drop around, looking carefully at each fragment, looking for different colours and hues, and for different speeds of change. You can often pick up mixtures by the miniscule colour variants seen. This is particularly apparent with 're-engineered' pills. The swirling also 'thins' the liquid layer you are looking at, making the colours more easily seen, rather than just seeing a concentrated section of colour that really just looks black from the beginning. WHat I mean is that you look at a thin layer of purple and can see purple, rather than looking at a thick layer of purple, which looks black!
For good MDMA (with good freash tester), you WILL see a dark royal blue at the start, followed by a dark purple, and then the black will kick in within probably a few seconds, but sections should remain blue/purple for around 30 seconds or so. The blues and purples should be visible clearly if you SWIRL!
Same techniques should be applied to Mandelin Reagen, Simon's or Mecke.
Effervescence is just due to the inert fillers pill manufacturers use. You can use Calcium hydrogen phosphate, perhaps Magnesium Oxide, perhaps Calcium carbonate to 'fill' your pills. Some of these react with the sulphuric acid to product carbon dioxide (usually from calcium carbonate - remember from chemistry: acid + carbonate = salt + water + carbon dioxide).
You can tell the difference between MDA and MDMA with the Marquis Reagent, but the problem is that you need a good fresh tester (which most of you won't have), a keen eye, good technique and lighting, and a sample which is JUST one or the other. It is the latter of all of these which is the most difficult. Pills are full of impurities, starting materials, and other small amounts of crap which also give colour changes and interfere with your result. Spreading the sample and swirling helps, but it is not going to help much.
As for speed, well, I'm not too convinced yet that quicker reaction equals better pill. I think temperature and age of your tester have more to do with it. I do think that if you are an experienced tester, you can start to get semi-quantitative results from your testers. The intensity of the reaction, in comparison to what you have seen before, can help to provide some information on strength, just not a huge amount! You may start to get an idea about this after doing a number of tests and comparing with the 'test drive'.
A word of caution - A quick black reaction is NOT a desirable thing. I can add inert things to a pill to make it go nice and black very quickly. Look for the DARK BLUE, and the purple.
Frequently Asked Questions
Question: I tested a pill and it went yellow/pink/polka dot/a colour not on the chart that came with the kit. What's in it?
Answer: All manufacturers of personal testing kits will only guarentee their effectiveness in indicating the presence of those substances listed on their charts. EZ Test even go so far as to say that their Marquis test should only be used to indicate the presence/non-presence of MDxx, period.
BUT... all reagent tests can detect a far greater range of substances than that. This document (National Institute of Justice Law Enforcement and Corrections Standards and Testing Program) contains reaction colour lists for the 12 reagents use by law enforcement (including Marquis and Mandelin).
Keep in mind at all times that these tests were performed under strict laboratory conditions, with pure samples of known drugs. Because there can be so many variations of mixtures of substances in pill this information should be used for entertainment purposes only. Please, don't go betting your life on it.
Question: I saw a puff of smoke at the start of the Marquis reaction. Does this mean it is DXM?
Answer: Probably not. If the complete reaction quicky goes to a blue/purple black then it is most likely just an MDxx reaction. An initial puff of smoke, and bubbling, is often seen in MDMA reactions, particularly when testing "pure" powder.
DXM gives a slow murky grey reaction to Marquis, and it will smoke for quite sometime. Once you have seen a DXM reaction you wil realise that it is very different.
If you still aren't sure perhaps you should test it with Mecke reagent (available from Dancesafe) but be warned that altho this test gives a clear distinction between DXM/MDxx it isn't as exacting with many other common adulterants. Marquis reagent should always be your first test.
Question: Are testing kits illegal?
Answer: They are legal in every country of the world, except for Norway (i think).
BUT that isnt to say that some jurisdictions may class them as "Drug Paraphenalia". This catch all phrase could include almost everything, up to and including light bulbs and pacifiers, so dont stress it. If something is classed as paraphenalia is usual isnt illegal in its self, but can be used to prove "probable cause" for a search etc.
The bottom line is it is legal to purchase them, online or in person, in every state of the union. it is legal to have one in your possesion, altho it may draw unwanted attention.
[ 21 April 2002: Message edited by: johnboy ]
