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Post LSD apathy

I don't understand what you want with that that but seems worth a try.

You guys said nobody can have it's brain changed forever from LSD but I have seem many cases like mine's around there.

I drop a trip -95.Since then my whole life is fucked up.I'm like 30% of the person I used to be.After a year of the trip I thought I kill myself.I used to wake up every morning for a year just to see that 'It hasn't ended' If I stare something ,it moves.) (Allthought I'm getting used to it.) For a year ,all things were wrongsized.It was like being in horror-movie HELL!!I'd never wish that to even my worst enemy!(I don't like to hate anyone thought) Vision of colors is changed.It's like some-one has turned the contrast-level to 110%.I'm in anxiety most of the time.Fears of people, strange paranoia is in my life.My life is ruined forever, but I haven't committed suicide cause I've lived pretty nice life before this terrible thing that happened to me and I promised not to kill my self even what happens. I even took another trip after 3 years...next day I woke up ,nothing had changed ...back in that same hell.Wish god would help me or something.


I'd never recommend LSD to anyone!!! NEVER!!!
(Note: The comment about the contrast reflects well what I feel about my vision.)
Hey guys. SWIM dropped acid for the FIRST AND ONLY TIME on his 16th birthday. It was one blotter, low in dosage, lasted the whole night from about 11pm to 10am. SWIM thought It'd be an awesome experience and an amazing trip, which from what SWIM told me it was. But later that week SWIM was clean, but did not feel exactly sober. He felt somewhat, not the same. It has been about three months since SWIM experience and has stopped toking for about the past two weeks. He did not smoke too much anyways, maybe twice a week at the most. He feels that he can concentrate a little better but still remains a different person. He also cannot look at himself in the mirror for very long. He starts to space out and doesn't feel like the old him. SWIM is very worried and very scared that he will NEVER go back to himself again. SWIM says he doesn't "trip out" or have flashbacks or any of that, no visuals, no hallucinations, he just doesn't see out of his eyes the same, as in everything looks different for some reason. Not literally different like changing shapes but just different in general. SWIM says it's very hard to explain. He would like to know if anyone knows what he's talking about, if anyone has similar problems, and most importantly, WILL I EVER BE THE SAME OR WILL IT EVER DIE DOWN JUST A LITTLE OVER TIME. SWIM also is never doing acid again. Ever.
My mind probably has been changed forever. I think I'll just take an antidepressant so I can accept it. I mean if I'm happy and can still function... everything's OK. =\
 
Psychedelic trips just cannot be topped, nothing to compare them to, they truly are peak experiences, for me it takes time to care about normal things after I've just caught blip of how the universe is actually running. Or to spread care to people who maybe seemed cynical and lost to you whilst tripping, not being able to empathize for their mindsets but still not able to explain the freedom to them that you had just experiences.

psychedelic experiences for me are very isolated, I rarely share them but when I do with say a lover the feeling of revelation stays far longer. The urge to communicate psychedelic breakthrough is urgent and extreme, when one feels they are the only one who thinks this way well... you CAN get apathetic because the world isn't changing where as YOU feel you may have!
 
Seriously, you are making this worse for yourself. Just let go, stop fighting so hard to "stay sane". There's nothing wrong with you most likely, the more you question and try to explain this problem the deeper you are ingraining it in your psyche. YOU are the one giving LSD all this power. I'm not saying LSD can't permanently change the way you see things, it definitely happens. But all I'm seeing in you is really bad anxiety and mental hypochondria.

I've done this to myself before. Do what you gotta do to stop thinking about it, meditation, just being active. Whatever. It's like you're seeing everything odd that happens through this lens that automatically associates it with that LSD trip.
 
I don't understand what you want with that that but seems worth a try.

What it enables you to do is experience the difference between perceiving the world through your mind and perceiving the world without it. And by noticing the differences you are more well equipped to control the things going on up there.

It seems like you have convinced yourself that you're permanently screwed. This is not the case, if you don't believe me, then look up neuroplasticity. You started this thread seeking advice on something that only you can help yourself with. Don't JUST listen to the advice given here, take it, try it out, and live it if it suits you. This thread could go on for days and only lead you around in circles, you are only lying to yourself.

...maybe you are lying to yourself, to make yourself feel more emotion, which would counteract the apathy you feel. And really, that's one of the things about brain frying substances that I've personally realized: feelings and emotions have a source, many times it is a subconscious reaction to a fear one might have (like... being too apathetic). Do you think that you were worried about being apathetic when you were born? Before you were even exposed to words like "happy" and "sad" or "caring" and "uncaring?"

I'm sorry if I seem upfront about this.
 
mrdocat, this happened to me with my first expereince with lsd. your situation exactly.

it worked itself out into the most profoundly beautiful lifechanging expereince (after the acid) because of the way i delt with it.

this apathetic state is nesesary, its just a shame you didnt have time to make realizations before hitting the world again. the flood of people certainly makes things difficult, because by them you have re-introduced desires into your mind when it was once at a desireless state.

ill try to dig up my report on this somewhere but with all the pruning i doubt its still around...

just know you havnt fucked up your mind and that this state dosnt last forever


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so the thread that i link in my trip report got deleted (the one with most of the usefull information), but here is the trip report http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=337542&highlight=our+work+is+never+over
there might be some stuff in there you can benifit from... i might read over it and see if i can remember some of the details of the other thread i made.
 
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Is it really impossible for me to be still tripping even if I got some kind of liver damage? I mean I've just read liver damage can prolong by more than 10 times the half life of some chemicals. My last blood test showed high liver enzymes. It makes sense for me. First because of the duration of the trip, as after 15 hours I was still seeing some visuals. In social cannabis uses I was always the last one to come out of the trip. And though I'm not seeing kaleidoscopes I still see strong lights which was the first effect I noticed and all the apathy problem can be explained if I'm thinking a bit slowly like I was during the trip...

High liver enzymes would reduce the time it takes to leave your system, not prolong them. A lack of enzymes could have this issue, but some people take MAOIs (Which stop the enzyme that breaks down psychedelics from working) with psychedelics to enhance the effect and it doesn't cause an abnormally long time tripping nor any other problems as long as certain things are not ingested. If you do have low amounts of Monoamine Oxidase, then you would be noticing some dangerous effects from certain foods and would therefore probably have a diagnosis.
 
1 - if it "stayed in your system" a little longer than normal, it would only be a matter of hours, not like forever as mrdocat seems to be fantasizing. If liver was so bad that a little LSD was taking WEEKS instead of HOURS to eliminate, EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD ALSO BE BUILDING UP AND HE WOULD ALREADY BE DEAD BY NOW!!!! This line of logic totally disproves the "still in my system" conjecture. Period. This insane paranoid hypochondriac fantasy of it circulating around and around in an infinite loop is just absolutely LUDICROUS! It has absolutely ZERO medical basis. This concept is the result of some mental/emotional illness/paranoia/hypochondriacism... NOTHING physical about the LSD.

2 - Even if it did stay in your system, your nervous system would develop TOLERANCE to the effects after 12 hours or so... ask anyone who tried to trip more than 2 days in a row... by the 3rd day the same dose is only 1/3 effective at most. By the 4th or 5th days, it does not seem to matter how big you make the redoses.... NOTHING HAPPENS.... your system has basically adapted to the presence of the molecule and begins to TOTALLY IGNORE IT... zero response/reaction. Sp even if by some impossible fluke it was still going round and round forever and ever (see how silly it is?)... by now it would be DOING NOTHING DUE TO TOLERANCE.

If this is not all just (a) a giant troll for amusement, (b) a giant troll out of a need for attention, or (c) a big lie intended to "prove" some anti-drug propaganda, then the ONLY reasonable explanation the rest of us can have is: MENTAL ILLNESS. The LSD triggered a state of psychosis, and he needs to be examined by a psychiatrist and possibly checked into an extended stay in a MENTAL HOSPITAL.
 
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So LSD just triggered a state of psychosis and my life is over. Thanks.


You're welcome.

That's what you wanted to hear isnt it?

Anyway, the answer to your question is NO! Go see a psychiatrist. They can probably help you.

Again I think your doctor prescribing the anti psychotic may well have made a proper diagnosis in the first place. Ignore people here telling you not to take it, what the hell do they know, they are not doctors and have never personally examined you. The risperidol may well change the situation. It was diagnosed and prescribed by a professional. I say give it a try.

On second thought, get some Rhodiola and try that for a week. If still having problems, THEN try the risperidol.
 
I did go see a psychiatrist, I told him I was afraind taking risperdone because it's said to worsen HPPD (that he refers to as 'flashback'). He said it was not true because risperdone is an ANTI psychotic and said to just take the risperdone and come back again in 1 week.

I tried to make an appointment (is that the word?) with another doctor but the earliest available is something like 10 days! I can't stand living like this anymore, 10 days is no big deal, but just to see another doctor that'll probably know no more than my actual?

The doctors (and everything) in my country are ridiculous. Nobody here wants to learn. People just want to make money. That's why I used to trust the internet. Now I'm lost.

But I'll try it anyway.

Please open this link:
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/hppd.review.pdf
In the end there is a list of some remedy that were successful in treating HPPD and after googling them I realized they are remedies used to treat schizophrenia (what a hard word to write) and as I said in other thread most of my symptoms match with those from schizophrenia. Things start to connect. I think I'll print that paper and ask my doctor to read the important parts like the statement against risperidone and that list. Do you think it's a good idea?
 
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I dont know if your question was about the mental institution or my comment, but if its about mine, sure.

1) Go to a health food store, GNC or whatever and find some Rhodiola extract and start using it twice a day, empty stomach. I still think raising dopamine levels and the adaptogenic effects might have a chance of helping you feel better.

2) Make appointment with doc and show him that stuff. Talk it over. But if rhodiola hasnt helped yet (give it a week), sure try the pharma, could it make you feel worse? Maybe, but if so then quit. Might help, who knows.

Just my total guesses though... all we have is text to chat, and so there's a limit to how much words alone can help.
 
It was about you.

Wikipedia says rhodiola is a MAOI, is that true? O.O
And talking about MAOI, unrelated question. After reading maaany reports on erowid I'm with an impression SSRI and others do nothing but fuck your life/emotions long therm while MAOIs are clean and harmless cure to depression if you just follow the diet. Am I wrong?
And another unrelated question. After all, what neurotransmitter is related to happiness... serotonin, dopamine or norephinephire? I've heard Selegiline (MAOI-B selective inhibitor) worked very well on some depressed guys so that'd mean dopamine is actually important?
 
Well, certainly the serotonin theory of depression is questionable. It could be the biggest pharmacorp con of the last 30 years.

As to whether the presence or other of any other neurotransmitter has any effect on happiness I'd be very wary of believing anything like that. There's a helluva lot of variables that go into happiness. But obviously for a lot of people if you tell them "This pill will make you happy" the placebomine will do the rest.
 
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Wikipedia says rhodiola is a MAOI, is that true? O.O
And talking about MAOI, unrelated question. After reading maaany reports on erowid I'm with an impression SSRI and others do nothing but fuck your life/emotions long therm while MAOIs are clean and harmless cure to depression if you just follow the diet. Am I wrong?
And another unrelated question. After all, what neurotransmitter is related to happiness... serotonin, dopamine or norephinephire? I've heard Selegiline (MAOI-B selective inhibitor) worked very well on some depressed guys so that'd mean dopamine is actually important?

I see ONE study, but the summary does not say enough details to know things like if it was tested in testtube, or in rat or in human.

Thats the only reference and I never see other reports of people experiencing interactions you would expect with a MAO inhibitor. So I dont know, I am skeptical that is a major aspect of its function.

If I were you I would pay more attention to all the other reports and studies with effects that are likely to be of help to your situation. You are pretending to be biomed research expert and coming to a layman's conclusions about the end results of a chemical MAO inhibition, when there are numerous other reports of effects that it sounds like would benefit you that were done looking at end results in humans. Far more significant than detailed chemical effects info.

For instanced, did you notice this study?

Rhodiola rosea extract SHR-5 exerts an anti-fatigue effect that increases mental performance, particularly the ability to concentrate in healthy subjects (Darbinyan et al., 2000; Spasov et al.,2000b; Shevtsov et al., 2003) and burnout patients with fatigue syndrome (Olsson et al., 2009). Rhodiola significantly reduced symptoms of fatigue and improved attention after four weeks of repeated administration (Olsson et al., 2009).
 
Hi Mrdocat

I hope your feeling a little lighter about your situation as time goes on.

Its funny as I dont take any psychedelics anymore but just recently I have begun thinking about the times when i did. I am now 38 and took them in my early 20s. The thing was there was no one to talk to about them back them, stonner friends at the time who wouldnt talk about anything like that, its funny as ive just been looking back at those times and wondering about the effects they had upon me.
I wonder whether my experiences are very similar to yours. I have not taken them for a long time and dont wish to but i do think in retrospect they showed me some alternative ways at looking at things which i would not have seen if i had not taken them and also caused me problems not dissimilar to yours.
I felt like an outsider after i had taken them, like i was diff to everyone else, to my shame at the time and ignorance , i even thought i was a little bit special ! i also was apathetic to things, i began to think a lot of things were worthless, the world, relationships etc. I tell you what i really had not discussed what had happened to me during my intensive trip ! i guess back in the day you would have done it with the local shamen person and got some guidance on it all, not just chucked back into a 9-5 and all that. Its taken me a long time to realise that the things i saw were a very diff reality to the one i know and am comfortable in, and made me realise that its great that i have a clear working mind which catagorises things etc, something the exp lsd breaks down for a period thus making these unusual experiences happen, sometimes profound exp.

My exp on lsd was very profound, i had not known myself in that way... i mean , i really did not consider myself a deep person, i was a kid who messed around, a bit of clown and had little life experience, then suddenly i felt very deep feelings, my heart , a very serious part of myself i really had never known. i thought at the time of the trip, omg, this is so profound and life changing.

After the trip i came back down to reality and felt apathetic, my daily routine began, hanging out with my mates, we didnt speak of the trip as we were 'lads' , just like woh what a laugh... i felt like it had really had a big impact on me, and the usual just join in and be a joker really wasnt me anymore. I felt distant from people like they didnt understand me and apathetic from joining in with lots of things.

I felt much more inward. i guess that i had never had an experience that had turned me inward before, i was just a bit of a joker, after having been bullied at school i had assumed the roll of a joker around friends as a defense mech.

My apathy was that i couldnt really join in as this joker anymore because i really wasnt that person.

Now here is where the problem lay, i was back in my normal life and thought that i still had a depth somewhere, well it really wasnt there, it never returned in my daily life, my dayly life is just as it always was, just plain old me with my silly ways and although i had this intense experience i was just stuck with myself ! inside i was chasing this high to come back but of course without something like lsd it wasnt going to come back, although i thought it would, because i had depth now , ha, i was just plain old me. I was not willing to take drugs lots as i really dont have the tolerance to do so. i have taken a few but never anything excesively.

The one thing i did do for some time was to smoke dope, i regret that and would strongly...very strongly say dont smoke dope. if there s anything to make you feel an outsider then that s dope.

I did go to the doctor and said i felt down etc and he put me on citalopram, it eased my anxiety, i am no longer taking it but i did for 2 years, but in retrospect for me personally my problem was that i had no one really to talk to in my life to help me interperet my experiences, i really wished i had realised that they were one off experiences that were really deep but could not be repeated in everyday life. I prob did a few daft things like you did like look in the mirror etc, but that was just me playing a childish game with myself, i found myself with lots of questions from the experiences and no one to ask or answer.

I really wanted to just say that stuff to you and know it does not directly relate to you but wanted to just reach out a hand and say its cool to not be ok with what you experienced, although within your thread you have not really spoken about what happened to you during your experience. sometimes something can really feel traumatic, and you can blow something up out of proportion.

I would advise you if your really not happy with things to go to the doctor and ask for an ssri similar to what i had citalopram, this will regulate the seretonin for a bit and stop you getting mood swings and chill out, all an ssri does is to stop seretonin from dispersing in your body so quickly, its simple, for instance if you do sport you will feel a high for half hour after a run, because seretonin is released from the run, if your anxious a lot then it will get dispursed quickly, the ssri simply holds it in your body for longer, if you do not run etc then you wont feel the effects of the ssri.

Ok and the other thing is , i think you mentioned military enlistment, a very probable side effect of lsd would be , is this the right thing for me to be doing ?? well if it is something thats come up then i would say to you, maybe the lsds insight in this may well turn out to be a blessing considering the current state of world affairs,

lay off the pot if your smoking it, that is the one thing to fk you up if your have some problems.

Hope things improve for you. Its funny as like i say i took it a long time ago and dont anymore and kind of relate to where your coming from. Good luck, the big thing dude is your asking people for some help here, and at the doc and the psych, and you bet that your not alone with all that potential help, i m sure you can sort things out, a person who 'lost their mind' on lsd, is not writing on forums , or even recognising a problem, they would be suffering and trying to ignore it.

Stay strong.
 
I see ONE study, but the summary does not say enough details to know things like if it was tested in testtube, or in rat or in human.

Thats the only reference and I never see other reports of people experiencing interactions you would expect with a MAO inhibitor. So I dont know, I am skeptical that is a major aspect of its function.

If I were you I would pay more attention to all the other reports and studies with effects that are likely to be of help to your situation. You are pretending to be biomed research expert and coming to a layman's conclusions about the end results of a chemical MAO inhibition, when there are numerous other reports of effects that it sounds like would benefit you that were done looking at end results in humans. Far more significant than detailed chemical effects info.

For instanced, did you notice this study?

Rhodiola rosea extract SHR-5 exerts an anti-fatigue effect that increases mental performance, particularly the ability to concentrate in healthy subjects (Darbinyan et al., 2000; Spasov et al.,2000b; Shevtsov et al., 2003) and burnout patients with fatigue syndrome (Olsson et al., 2009). Rhodiola significantly reduced symptoms of fatigue and improved attention after four weeks of repeated administration (Olsson et al., 2009).
I can't find rhodiola nor 5htp here where I live, damn! But I'm trying, anyway do you think it's a bad idea to take both? I'm interested in 5htp because I heard of a case it successfully treated post-lsd psychosis.
 
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