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Possible Contaminated batch of Methylone

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Caught this on another forum today. Thought it might be of interest. Granted, from the dose the guy describes, he could've just had an idiosyncratic reaction, but better safe than sorry. Here's his post:
I can confirm that there is something wrong with the methylone from *snip* site.

i was high for about 37-40 hours from taking about 350-400 mgs nasal, this is my normal dose that i have done about 50 times before from stuff from other vendors, never any problems, first time i have bougth from this vendor, it was methylone in this bactch, it feelt ok for the first 3-4 hours, then all hell broke lose it must have been cut with some cheap amphetmine stuff, i thought i was going to die, ended up in the intensive care unit in the hospital, all my vitals seemed fine, but my body felt like it was going to explode, the doctors could not do anything, since they did not know what i had taken, so i just had to ride it out, they just said it was i possible panic attack, but this seems strange to me, since my mental helth is superb, i do not use drugs often, im fine now after 14 hours of sleep and good food, but i would not wish this experince on even my worst enemy!!

i sendt an email to the vendor today, and they just referd to ther therms and conditions, and refunded my money and told me they would not do any buissnes with me i the future, seems doddgy to me.

stay safe
 
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400 mgs nasal 50 times?
That is a lot.. this reaction could have easily just been caused by something in the user's body (or brain) that just couldn't handle anymore.. RCs are pretty un-tested and we don't know a lot about any long-term side effects. It is so ridiculous to see posts like this where people are surprised to have a bad reaction to taking huge doses of drugs frequently.

Not saying that IS what happened, there could be something wrong with the methylone. But it definitely doesn't seem "dodgy" that an RC vendor would stop doing business with someone who openly admitted to ingesting their product.
 
yeah, my thoughts exactly. However, considering the length of time the subject was intoxicated, i thought this might be worth re-posting. If nothing else, to see if anyone had similar reactions to methylone recently. Also, I don't know how rare it is for someone to take that much M1. That would be roughly 3-4 dosage units? If I'm correct about that, and people treat M1 anything like they do MDMA, this would not be at all uncommon, as I'm sure we all know someone who's taken 3 or 4 doses of MDMA in a night. Perhaps the title of the thread could've been worded better... However, it also wouldn't surprise me if some MCat somehow got into some M1...
 
Considering what little is known about the effects of such continuous heroic dosages, it is difficult to say how his body would react. Perhaps this was a detox.

He really needs to be more specific on the 'body exploding' feelings so we can decipher what may have caused it. Not sure what amphetamine he may or may not have been referring to.
 
Wait, so someone has an anxiety attack on a stimulant and we're supposed to think it's because it's tainted?
 
there was a guy with a thread in trip reports who recently overdid the methylone and mephedroen and had a seizure-calm down on the mind bending stimulants! still that is a long time for methylone to be active
 
If it is a contaminated batch it's irresponsible not to name the vendor!

Come on ffs we all know where to get meph *snip*. If there's potentially dangerous gear out there people need to know... As the mods keep reminding us bl is a harm reduction site and afaic naming the source is harm reduction.
 
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I know which vendor (and it's not hard too find for yourself if you really want to know) it is and many other vendors will be selling the same batch. M1 is not like the 2C-B-fly incident where the batch is clearly labeled with only one known vendor - it's imported by the kilo and sold by anyone who wants to sell it. It does seem like an unusual reaction but I've only heard of this one incident (been posted on BL once or twice too) and if it were really a bad batch then you'd expect a few more incidents as it's so widely used here in the UK. Naming the vendor on such flimsy evidence wouldn't be right at all. There are plenty of other places where vendor discussion is allowed but BL is not one of them.

For what it's worth, I've bought M1 and meph from that site in the last month and it was actually the cleanest-feeling batch I've had of M1. Although this may well be a different one cos they're not labeled - hence no point naming the place at all really. Would maybe test any M1 bought from UK vendors (tests yellow) but will probably only tell you what it isn't really - would give you an idea at least.
 
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ProducedRaw said:
Wait, so someone has an anxiety attack on a stimulant and we're supposed to think it's because it's tainted?
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If you'd read the other posts, including the original one, no one is claiming that there is a tainted batch of methylone, aside from the individual who was hospitalized. However, given the length of time the individual was intoxicated, it would not be unreasonable to consider the possibility. The only way to verify or refute this would be to see if other users had the same reaction, or test the material that precipitated the hospitalization. Only one of those is feasible, hence the post. Also, in the name of harm reduction, reporting this type of reaction to M1 (if it was indeed only methylone, which is entirely possible) to other users or potential users would be important. And lastly, given the recent 2c-b-fly/Br-DFLY debacle, we all need to be extremely careful or these substances will draw the attention of more law enforcement authorities than they already have, and no one wants that.
 
Feeling fine for the first couple of hours and then getting this type of reaction sounds to me like a panic attack, in fact a little like mine not too long ago also on M1 (and 4-AcO-DMT)... it seems unlikely that you wouldn't get the most trouble when you've got the most in your blood if it were tainted. Plus if your vitals appeared to be normal then you were obviously misinterpreting your body which is also exactly what a panic attack is.

Honestly I didn't know either that it could be so convincing, but it certainly can be.
 
To be honest, it sounds pretty similar to a number of times I've used M1 other than the hospitalisation. I've certainly felt like I needed hospitalising - notable when I snorted a gram over a night so have no-one to blame but myself.

To be honest, it sounds like he just did way too much possibly because - if it was the same batch I had - it seemed to be a stronger/cleaner/purer batch to any I've had previously and took him by surprise. Or it was one of the less decent synths that have given me similar-sounding awful after-effects for a similar length of time.

My money is on either better or worse quality than he's used to but sounds like M1 either way to me. Definitely something to bear in mind though - a vendor's claims simply can't be trusted as recent tragic events have shown.
 
ohhaiwheredmypostgo ;)

I agree with you Shambles; we all know quality control is less than stellar for a lot (or should I say most?) of these vendors so it will be difficult to pinpoint the problem without having tests done. Either way, if there is one thing we can learn is that it's always to start your dosages low with a new batch.

Better be safe than sorry.
 
By the way, it could be that phenibut combined with methylone or mdma increases the chance of an anxiety or panic attack significantly - anyone else who suspects that?
 
Not sure on that one, Solipsis. I know it has a very similar effect to GHB/GBL and they both synergise amazingly with M1, MDMA and most other stims (less so meph). I use it (GBL not phenibut) to smooth the rough edges and pounding heart on MDPV binges and from all I've heard about phenibut it has an almost identical effect. It's obviously not precisely the same effect as it's a different drug so may hold some surprises.

Doing too much G can certainly make you feel like shit (when you come round anyway :D) and lower doses can be pretty stimulating. From memory it's higher doses of phenibut that are more likely to cause a panic attack but will leave it to those that have direct experience rather than vague extrapolations though :)
 
"There's a bad batch of Methylone going around right now, 250mg almost hospitalized two people from an RC irc channel I frequent, and the stimulation lasted like an entire day. The site with the tainted supply is simply titled *snip* and based out of the *snip* - if you use this vendor that should be enough to tell if it's the one I'm talking about. No word on other vendors' sources being contaminated. Don't buy anything from this vendor. Be safe, guys."
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Somehow I missed this when I made the original post. Seeing the same type of all day stimulation from roughly half the dose of the other report makes me wonder a bit... Does the stimulation from Butylone last this long?
 
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Seriously folks, you really always want to do a sanity check on this stuff, and I am not talking about just starting your dosage low.

There is a risk in any bag of powder. The possibilities are infinite, you just have to make some assumptions about likely possibilities and go on that.

These vendors are re-packaging. Chinese operations, whoa, scary to think too much about that. I find a useful starting point as being let's hope it is at least some flavor of pyschoactive amine, but beyond that assume that vendors can easily mislabel in repackaging, and the same thing could happen overseas in shipping.

And you can't just go on a single vendor's product line either, although that gives you maybe at least an idea of what kind of repackaging mix ups are likely possibilities. These operations are going to tend to do families of chemistry which means whoever made your methylone probably makes other shit for other people.

As long as I have been doing RCs I have always started with about 8 mg.

That amount was based on the logic that OK, if a 2C-X, or any powder for that matter, turns about to be mixed up with a DOX then based on past experience, I know I can certainly survive 8 mgs of DOX without stuff like a hospitalization incident, although at the 16 hour mark or so I may be calling everyone I know trying to beg up some benzos to try to abort it.

And I always figured at that level I should also be tipped off that what I got labeled as 2C-X was in fact a mix up with 2C-E or a 2C-T#.

In light of the recent bromo-dragon fiasco I may now go to down to 2mg wait 6 hours and then add another 6 or 8 mgs to finish the test.

Marquis is a simple but also ambiguous test. Most people don't have chromatography available. It is really not a good idea to just dive into a bag of powder you just got even at what you think may be a "lower" dose. That is true for 2Cs, but it is especially true when you are looking at "lower" doses of something like methylone.

Chances are good that on any given day, you will likely also wake up tomorrow. If it does not happen, oh well. But putting off that buzz for just the one day it takes to do a rabbit test on a new batch, it is a pretty good bet it;s gonna be there for you tomorrow.

Having never done methylone I could not even go as far as sheer speculation on what was going on here. But based on the information given, it sound slike not only did this guy not try even a reasonable dose of a new batch from a familiar supplier, this stuff was from a new to him source even. Being so eager to get high he pulled what is always at best a mystery bag out of an envelope and sat down and hooved up nearly half a gram of a for all practical intents an unknown powder?

Wow. That is incomprehensible.
 
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Hey hey, been hearing about this dodgy batch and have a quantity from who I think you are talking about.

Definetely nothing like any m1 I've ever bone before and my suspiscions are that the substance is in fact BK-MBDB. Wonder if anyone elkse whos had any of this batch could see what they thought of the theory.

Rushes and bruxism and general clenchiness all fekt very much like b1 to me.

Anyways, if anyone has anything to add or to debunk the theory be interesting to hear?
 
I generally get rushes, bruxism and general clenchiness on both M1 and B1 - sourced from a number of UK and overseas vendors over many months. I doubt they're mislabeled quite that consistently - just the way they affect me. I get a lot of residual stimulation for a long time on M1, less so on B1. B1 is definitely rougher around the edges for me though but had no extended comedown like I usually get with M1 which lasts up to three days.
 
Hmm interestin, I've always felt the M1 experience to have a fairly unique signature myself, wether dosing gently or being a v silly boy ive always kinda felt familiar with the ride. This batch to me felt exactly like buty, i hadnt even considered it being BK-mbdb until iit was in my system then the reminiscence clicked instantly....

This certainly wasnt a case of me dosing too high on a batch of M1 that was more potent than I'm used to as I was doing about 1/5 of the size dose I would normally do with M1 :S

Anyways thanks for readin.
 
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