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Hello everyone,
I was curious to see what other peoples positive and negative experiences with Ecstasy are. Because I'm well aware you must take the good with the bad.

Positives: More relaxes, life seems less stressful, I've lost my superficial ego, and am less judgmental person. I also seem more down to earth about it's meaning, purpose of life, and seem more thoughtful when I have a conversation.

Negatives: Unfortunately I abused, so theres a few I'm still working my way out of. Brain to mouth speech problems, can't express my thoughts as clearly. Seemed to have lost my quickness/edge over people. Bouts of depression, sleep problems and memory loss and slowed learning ability.

Until I abused the positives greatly out weighed the negatives, in fact, their was no negatives, just enhanced my social/opposite sex talking ability through the roof. Even when I wasn't on it, but you abuse you lose.

I still believe it's made me a better person, and if these negatives slowly dissipate, I'll be the happiest guy ever.

So what's your experiences? And do your positives out weigh your negatives. Im my case, no, but only time will tell. :)
 
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honestly bro its mostly whats more than known that MDMA is a damaging to the chemical structure of your brain which is highly susceptible to adaptation.

MDMA for me was like a beautiful window...looking through it allow'd me to see the world in ways I had'nt before....but I wasnt meant to climb out that window....it was forbidden.

The second I crossed out that window in to candyland I lost my fukin brains. Everything was rainbows and unicorns and magic sunshine dust....

Could life get any better?


But the reality was that every step I took in candyland made it a shittier and shittier place...soon my vistas of the known became dark and even less than what was once known when I was on the other side of that window lookin in.

I ran back hoping to find the entrance again so I could get the fuck out, but it was too late. I was trapped in another world.

And it was a dark world caled "MasterSplinter's Epic Comedown"

So there I stayed for more than a year...with nuthin to do but be eatin moar and moar beans hoping to find another reality...but I was trapped in this cold muddy universe.

Eventually I gave up with beans....and the longer I went without them the more things started to grow around me...

Suddenly I had sweet smelling grass....a flower garden...fresh trees with a cool breeze...

The sun came out from behind the clowds and things look nice again...life is gettin better and I realized in the end that there was no window all along....It was just my own world in a reflection I had seen...


So the longer I go without MDMA the less I want that dirty raver drug...


If I had been able to use it and accept it for what it was then I would have never fallen down a bad path....but we as creatures have addictive personality when it comes to finding and discoverin the unknown.

N0w I just would rather sit on my porch with a shotgun and a six pack of bud light, shootin budderflies as they land on my steps....

Life was always this good...I just never realized I didnt neithen need a rug to enjoy it.

-Splinter ;)
 
MDMA was actually the first "drug" drug I had tried, and it came into my life when everything was OK, but I needed to make some very tough decisions if I was going to improve things (namely, get out of a bad 8 year relationship). I credit it with giving me the strength I needed to realize the big picture of life, and I think that's the beauty of it- MDMA puts you into a sort of "birds eye view" perspective of your life, you're no longer in the thick of your obstacles, tackling the, and being fearful- you just see things what they are, you know are aware of what the right path is, and you operate with love and compassion.

I've been an abuser of MDMA too, but through all the brain zaps, depersonalization, anxiety attacks, and depression, the only thing I regret about my MDMA use is not respecting it and limiting my use to once a month. It's a beautiful tool if you use it properly.
 
positives ... changed my life completely around. made me a more social person. gave me a better understanding of my self and what i wanted to do.
negatives. none. and i mean none... There was one time recently that i did it twice in a month . Other wise i always spaced mine out about 6 weeks sometimes longer. Always tested mine and did research on a particular press and it turned out to be meth bombs or pipes id avoid it. Never been piped or meth bombed cuz of said research. I did it for 15 years and i never lost the magic. Moderation is the key like it is with alot of things in life.
 
Positives: I usually feel as if I'm holding something back in my life, and mdma brings it out. I have interesting thoughts that I usually have trouble describing with words, mdma allows those thoughts to flow out of my mouth with reassurance that I worded it exactly how I thought it.. I also like being able to speak openly with anyone, without insecurities or awkwardness to hold you back.. The euphoria is amazing, it's like a 3 hour massage from god. Also, everyday mundane objects that I usually think nothing of, seem to come to life, they just make me happy, or I'm happy for their existence. For instance, I was rolling at a park one night and noticed a water bottle someone left, I felt so happy for that water bottle, I wanted to go talk to it and be it's friend haha..

Negatives: the fact that it's illegal.. And how so many people look down on it or are uneducated about it. The next day or sometimes next few days I get a feeling like I'm coming down with the flu. When there's other people around me the day after I feel unsocial and I don't have anything constructive to add to a conversation... There's also situations where I don't feel I'm being the most I can be, and I think it would be so much better if I was rolling. I also don't like to be lighting my cigs backwards, or trying to find my phone when its I'm my hand. Having a shirt soaking wet at the end of the night kinda sucks too. And on the comedown I hate the lost feeling that I have no idea what direction my mind should be headed without some sort of guidance.
 
Positives: MDMA has allowed me to connect with others like nothing else (which is pretty much the same with everyone) It is honestly one of those drugs that has changed my life for the better.

Negatives: How you have to wait so long inbetween using it! it has like a fail safe that automatically makes it impossible to get high after you take it to often. And like everyone else, its illegal when such drugs as alcohol and easily acquired pain pill prescriptions drug aren't, I mean you hear more about drunk driving and ODing on pain pills than ODing on E.
 
Positives: Allowed me to perceive the world in a more emotional, if not beautiful, way. Before E I was analytical and indifferent to everything.

Negatives: It set me back in school for years (but i still got into the school of my dreams) and has forever altered teh way I think about sex.
 
Positives: Allowed me to connect with my girlfriend in the beginning more than ever. I seen shit in a different light, like gives me a better understanding like everything's going to be okay in my life. I'm such an affectionate and confident person, I love PDA & the works, and it just goes hand in hand with someone I'm so comfortable with, no awkwardness or anything just love especially in sex.

Negatives: I mean I'm starting to get anxiety? I start to care about little shit more and more and have little panic attacks. And the fact that you have to wait in between so long, and the fact that it's illegal. It could help honestly so MANY people. And fuck the negative noobs, "Oh I would never touch that shit", all the negative attached with it when there's so MUCH more shit dangerous for you.
 
I've been using mdma for about one year, and my pro's and con's are bit different than other's here.

Pros: - Not sure if this is healthly, but looking forward to my monthly roll helps give me motivation to keep my responsibilities in order. It serves as a reward.
- Allows for fucking incredible nights and experiences that you will never forget.
****- Greatest diminishing returns of any drug, rendering it fruitless to abuse****

Cons: - Neurotoxic to an unknown degree.
- Noticable but workable memory and general cognitive impairment
- Ability to be charged with serious felonies.
- Always run the risk of taking unknown, harmful adulterants.

I don't understand others that claim MDMA has changed their life so significantly in terms of connecting with others. While I used to be severely socially anxious, the confidence I've constructed in past couple years has had nothing to do MDMA use and I would love to understand how it has helped others so drastically. Do you mean only while you're under the unfluence?

To me, MDMA has only served as a great release, and amazing euphoric experience, nothing life-changing what-so-ever. It's my opinion that many Bluelighter's fail to write their accounts from an objective point of view.
 
Positives:

Short term: the high feels real good, dancing becomes much more interesting, crappy dance music suddenly sounds as brilliant as Brahms or Bruckner, one really gets the feeling of togetherness with other people at the event.

Long term: gives one an experience that's completely different to the otherwise uptight state of societies we live in (in my case central european).

Negatives:

Short term: teath clenching, disgusting feeling in your mouth, comedown sucks big time, when it wears off, suddenly you realize you've felt togetherness with a bunch of people you neither like nor have anything in common with; it makes one unable too feel good after one comes down without taking another drug (like benzos or heroin). Feeling weary and tired the whole day after is everything but a profound experience.

Long term: due to the shitty nature of the short term negative effects, which, after a while, completely outweight those couple of hours of bliss, the main negative effect (for me at least) is the fact that I strongly feel I will never again touch the stuff and experience the positives.
 
Positives: Trying MDMA (along with getting a puppy), pulled me out of 7 years of depression and anxiety. Not to say that this was any sort of chemical reaction, but it reminded me that I AM capable of feeling happiness.

Obviously the high is great.

Negatives: I've always had jaw/teeth-grinding problems since I was a kid, rolling definitely doesn't help this.

I always roll with very close friends, but when there are other people thrown into the mix, it feels fake. I wouldn't connect with those people if I weren't on drugs (I suppose this could be seen as a positive?).

Comedown is kind of a bummer, more of a shameful feeling than anything, but I also firmly believe this is because our entire lives we have had "Drugs are bad mmmkay?" shoved down our throat.
 
Positives: Positive outlook on things, Builds close relationships, In-depth conversations, Loss of ego, Music sounds awesome, Lights are beautiful

Negatives: Teeth clenching/grinding, comedown is hard on some, Not quite sure of the long term effects yet, Depression in some, Head pressures/aches, Tolerance builds quickly.
 
Positives: Extreme sense of euphoria, easier to find positives in things, bonding between friends (even enemies), Conversation is great.

Negatives: Tolerance, loss of magic, depression


IMO the positives greatly outweigh the negatives. If used correctly, the three negatives I mentioned should not be a problem.
 
MasterSplinter said:
honestly bro its mostly whats more than known that MDMA is a damaging to the chemical structure of your brain which is highly susceptible to adaptation.

MDMA for me was like a beautiful window...looking through it allow'd me to see the world in ways I had'nt before....but I wasnt meant to climb out that window....it was forbidden.

The second I crossed out that window in to candyland I lost my fukin brains. Everything was rainbows and unicorns and magic sunshine dust....

Could life get any better?


But the reality was that every step I took in candyland made it a shittier and shittier place...soon my vistas of the known became dark and even less than what was once known when I was on the other side of that window lookin in.

I ran back hoping to find the entrance again so I could get the fuck out, but it was too late. I was trapped in another world.

And it was a dark world caled "MasterSplinter's Epic Comedown"

So there I stayed for more than a year...with nuthin to do but be eatin moar and moar beans hoping to find another reality...but I was trapped in this cold muddy universe.

Eventually I gave up with beans....and the longer I went without them the more things started to grow around me...

Suddenly I had sweet smelling grass....a flower garden...fresh trees with a cool breeze...

The sun came out from behind the clowds and things look nice again...life is gettin better and I realized in the end that there was no window all along....It was just my own world in a reflection I had seen...


So the longer I go without MDMA the less I want that dirty raver drug...


If I had been able to use it and accept it for what it was then I would have never fallen down a bad path....but we as creatures have addictive personality when it comes to finding and discoverin the unknown.

N0w I just would rather sit on my porch with a shotgun and a six pack of bud light, shootin budderflies as they land on my steps....

Life was always this good...I just never realized I didnt neithen need a rug to enjoy it.

-Splinter ;)
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you put that very well. I have nowhere near 'abused' MDMA, but on an accidental high dose, I saw that 'window' to that world, thought i was gonna be there forever, it was true heaven, true fucking ecstasy and bliss, and coming back from that experience i realised i wasn't gonna be there forever and really integrating it and understanding it was a long process, still not quite over (this was just over 1 yr ago). i realised that that was what my life could be, but its not gonna be achieved by ecstasy use. I by no means had HORRIBLE effects, but it was there niggling at me and making my life a little less enjoyable all the time, a mini version of what you describe.

anyway i kinda saw this as a warning to be more careful with MDMA, this was 3 months after I first did it and I'd been doing it once a month (my third time). I've done it a few times since and it has set me a back a little, but ive gone of it and if i do use it, 2-3 times a year is my absolute limit
 
Yeah, it's true, I did lose after I abused. The magic, a lot of sleep and good food.

I'm still sad about the magic being totally gone. If I'm being really fickle, I guess I had maybe 2% of the mdma magic the last time. It was too much of a tease, so it was a good thing it got snuffed out anyway.

I really miss that mdma magic. There's just nothing like it, and I still remember it crystal clear. I think I always will. Just the feeling of being there, living and experiencing the trip was pure bliss.

For all those who still get it, do NOT abuse it and instead, cherish it. I'm so envious of you all. I'm pretty sure that once you lose it in the manner that I have, it will never come back.
 
@Kl519: Sorry about that, man :(
@Splinter: you put it well, indeed.

Positives:
• deeper connection with psychedelic music
• made me realise that sythetic drugs are not as bad as it seemed when I only ever tried weed
• i get that as a positive that if you abuse it, you'll not enjoy rolling anymore. It feels painful sometimes but still, it makes me do the right thing.
• i usually feel wonderful and well rested the day after

Negatives:
• short term memory problems (i also smoke weed daily for 10years, but i noticed this just a couple of months ago)
•some jaw clenching, usually unnoticable
 
Myr-Hey, thanks for that sentiment. Yeah, when I abused it, I kind of had no clue what I was doing. I knew the general safety and effects information, but nothing else really. If I knew back then what I know now, I definitely would've stuck to that one month rule. =/
 
What's all this talk about magic? I will tell you what would be magical: if Mdma produced the same effects without depleting the brain of neurochemicals, damaging the liver, screwing with the brain-intestine connection, causing serotonergic neurotoxicity, causing massive adrenaline release leading to fatigue etc. etc. etc. in order words without wrecking total havoc and destruction on the body and mind of any human.

The positives: You have a really great time for a few hours, probably one of the greatest moments of your life... such a good time that you'll probably be left with a 'glow' for a little while that eventually fades

Negatives: The rest of your life. Your brain will never be the same no matter whether you notice it or not, even after a single use. Damage to memory, increased sensitivity to pain, increase in mood and severe anxiety disorders and potential psychosis. You also have to worry about impurities from the synthesis which can cause further damage like being potential carcinogens triggering cancer down the road - since it's like, made in a fuckin' bathtub and also other drugs slipped in to the mix. I wouldn't put trust in a testing kit, that could just mean it's 80% MDMA and 20% piperazine or some other concoction of filth. They put just enough of the other filth in so it passes the almighty test. But make no mistake the very purest stuff is dangerous enough. MAJOR mental health risks down the road, I'm talking a year or two after you quit using it, even if it's just once a month or whatever you might slowly come to realize the extreme damage that this despicable filth does to the body. Also, there has been severe deforestation in Cambodia because people like to trip out on Mdma. So it has destroyed a part of the environment, they destroy trees to get the sassafras oil that is used to make the disgusting filth that is for ravers who in my opinion are 90% retards.

Also, the experience is just a lie. I've bonded with people like never before, only to realize the next day that I shared nothing in common with them and that I had no interest in being around them at all. You can say and do things that do not make logical sense and regret it after.

It's plain and simple: anyone who gives a fuck about their mental and physical well being does not use Mdma. I used to take it, many years ago when I was a depressed dumbass. I never used it that much and I am still adamant about this miserable and destructive horrific filth and plague on society. I was suicidal for a year after taking it, slashing my wrists and stuff, and now I suffer from chronic panic attacks and chronic back pain and it has been like 5 years since I took that garbage. Mdma is a manifestation of how uncomfortable and disconnected human beings are with each other these days, that they have to poison themselves just to be comfortable socializing and having fun around each other.
 
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rave_itsrealfun!!! said:
Negatives: The rest of your life. Your brain will never be the same no matter whether you notice it or not, even after a single use. Damage to memory, increased sensitivity to pain, increase in mood and severe anxiety disorders and potential psychosis.
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This just isn't true.
 
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