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Positive Psychological And Psychosocial Effects Of Hydrocodone?

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Does anyone know of any studies of the positive psychological or psychosocial effects of hydrocodone? Or does anyone have any positive life changing experiences with this drug?

I have been researching this chemical for a while, and I have not encountered any written documentation, or reports of any positive effects apart from cognitive euphoria or mood elevation or pain relief. The chemical does seem to have positive life changing effects based on my personal experiences.

Thanks.
 
What kind of positive life changing effects are you talking about?

"Positive" as in the "positively amazing" euphoria you can feel from taking hydrocodone?
Or are you talking about something more...spiritual?

Opioids can have VERY positive effects. That's what makes them so dangerous, they have strong addiction potential. But as far as I know they don't have the ability to cause "life changing" psychological responses. At least not in the way that LSD and other common hallucinogens can change the way you view the world.
 
The 19th centuries poets saw some positive spiritual benefits in opium. Hydrocodone shares some of these properties, being itself derived from the opium poppy. You might be interested in reading Dequincy's Confessions of an English Opium Eater.
 
Hydrocodone as well as most other euphoria inducing drugs makes you happy when you are sad. Don't trust it though brotha because before to long you can't be happy without it.
 
I'm not really sure what the substance of this thread is supposed to be. Opioids are well-known to be extremely potent and effective antidepressants and anxiolytics. This is nothing new. We've tweaked the moleculs a little bit here and there, but the Opioids you or I might take in the modern era, are not extremely different than the Opium that the ancient Sumerians were eating thousands of years ago.

My point, is that we know all about Opiates. There's not much left to say really. It's a fact that in an acute sense, Opiates are invariably excellent relievers of pain, suffering and misery. It's a double-edged sword, however. As these medications are so very effective at reducing pain and suffering, it can be pretty easy for a given individual to develop an addiction.

Don't be surprised that you've experienced positive benefit with little negative in your travels so far. Opioids are not like say, stimulants or Alcohol, where, after one serious usage, your body will be telling you that something's wrong. Opioids are more subtle and don't start to make you feel bad (withdrawal) until you've been using them for some time, typically.

I guess, your "not enountering" information regarding Opioids' potential for use as antidepressants/anxiolytics is just because debating the topic is beating a horse that has been dead for centuries. We've known for time immemorial that Opioids are great at reducing suffering and likewise, we've known of their potential to provoke addiction and dependence. They are like Benzodiazepines in this way. They're both highly effective medications and you could say that it's their awesome efficacy that makes them so abusable.
 
Yeah, opiates positive effects are usually negated by the degree of dependency and addiction that occurs with repeat use. I've met no one that could use any opiate in a regimine to "experience enlightenment", ease sadness, or even ease physical pain without ending up in an addiction they seriously regret and usually a few more problems on their plate, but the extra baggage depends on who they are, and what they were taking and how long they did it. From Hydrocodone I know that all the people I know that used it seeking to change something of themselves just turned themselves into addicts........so they did succeed in changing themselves I guess. Careful what you wish for right?
 
burn out said:
The 19th centuries poets saw some positive spiritual benefits in opium. Hydrocodone shares some of these properties, being itself derived from the opium poppy. You might be interested in reading Dequincy's Confessions of an English Opium Eater.
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I've read about that, and I've also read a famous poem from that era called "Xanadu" where the author was on opium when he wrote it. What I fail to understand is, why did these authors have such magical experiences? The only thing people seem to say about opium/opioids is that they just cause euphoria and are addictive.

"The sense of space, and in the end, the sense of time, were both powerfully affected. Buildings, landscapes, &c. were exhibited in proportions so vast as the bodily eye is not fitted to conceive. Space swelled, and was amplified to an extent of unutterable infinity. This, however, did not disturb me so much as the vast expansion of time; I sometimes seemed to have lived for 70 or 100 years in one night; nay, sometimes had feelings representative of a millennium passed in that time, or, however, of a duration far beyond the limits of any human experience." - Dequincy's Confessions of an English Opium Eater

It simply sounds extraordinary, and nothing what most people say about this substance. I wonder how he managed to make a night feel like it lasted for 100 years.
 
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Opioids may be 'life changing' but they are rarely considered positive overall. For treatment of pain, sure, they're good. (remember to pair with a NSAID always!)

If you are expecting LSD or psilocybin-type classical "life-changing" experiences, turn back, for here there be nothing but dragons. Opioids are the domain of self-indulgent nothingness, and doing them too much will bring you nothing but pain and misery.

My advice? Do them once or twice and then never look back. There is no future in continued opioid use.
 
What about combining hydrocodone with alcohol, for a short term period? Alcohol will boost the effects, and less hydrocodone would have to be taken to achieve the same result. Thus, it would save pills. Out of a limited supply of pills, I don't think any addiction would be possible. Alcohol mixed with opium, was what the author of Dequincy's Confessions of an English Opium Eater used and seemed to have achieved magnificent results.

By life changing experiences, I simply mean a more positive outlook on life, less anxiety, less depression, with lasting results long after the last dose.
 
Of course opioids will make you happy, less depressed and less anxious as long as you take them, but as soon as you stop taking them you'll most likely experience cravings and withdrawal and all the great effects are gone.

And combining opioids and alcohol will most likely lead to two addictions and it can increase respiratory depression etc.

Are you trying to justify your use?


Edit: imo you should do some research on ketamine as a fast acting antidepressant instead
And skim through Personal accounts of addiction and the opioid withdrawal megathread to get a picture of what opioid use/abuse can lead to
 
Reaching a nod on hydrocodone can be very psychedelic in its own right (was one of my most pleasurable experiences the one time I got there), but chasing dream land with opioids is likely to lead to pain and addiction rather than joy and enlightenment.
 
I've seen plenty of people achieve an "altered state of consciousness" on opioids...but mostly heroin. Talking to people who aren't there, seeing people who aren't there, repetitive grabbing hand motions, etc. It's pretty common although I've never taken enough pills to reach that level...not a pillpopper and never went through the pillpopper phase like most heroin users do.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION the only truly "life changing" drugs ("life changing" in the sense of a single use having the potential to induce a long-term positive outlook) are ones that cause "ego death" in some way, and make the user realize that they're part of a larger whole. Opiates produce the opposite effect IMO, they're the ultimate self-indulgent, solitary drug and opiate addicts are more often than not very selfish, self-centered people. Basically I agree with what sekio said.
 
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Yeah... positive at first. Until your brain gets used to it, and it becomes the new boring normal. Not to mention without it, you experience physical fucking agony like I am right now, wishing you had a gun to put a bullet in your head. Not to mention tolerance. How to attain the same high, you need more and more of a dose over time, and other side effects kick in like over-sedation ruining the high. At this point, welcome to hell. Hope you enjoyed your initial stay.

This is how it is in 99% of cases when people set out to use opiates with any sort of intention. It even happens to regular people just trying it too, or getting a random prescription. It has taking longer than half a decade for me to progress to shooting heroin. I started out taking 2.5mg oxy (half a percocet) for pain and getting really high off that. My brain simply isn't capable of attaining that sort of high anymore.

How long have you been using and at one dose? It can take years to destroy you. It took 18 months of constant intake of opium, hydromorphone, heroin, oxy's for me to develop any sort of serious withdrawal symptoms at all. Before that, it was like having the flu (6 months in). Now, it's two weeks bedridden out for the count, unbelievable suffering followed by months/years of agonizing cravings, panic attacks, insomnia... I don't even bother, I choose to sniff dope and eventually will soon shoot it.

It's just never worth it in my opinion considering the potential outcome. If you have something like chronic pain and not an addictive personality it can work out sometimes. Or if you're just trying it for fun and you don't already have a reason aka something really bothering you.

If they were legal and you could have them all the time, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. Not the healthiest thing but not the worst thing either. A lot of the issues come down to stigma and legal problems along with the black market and availability. People who want or need them, who are full blown addicts should just be able to have them in my opinion. I am personally a fully function human being when I have a nice dose of heroin in my system. Otherwise, I can barely get out of bed unless I take meth.
 
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IN MY HUMBLE OPINION the only truly "life changing" drugs ("life changing" in the sense of a single use having the potential to induce a long-term positive outlook) are ones that cause "ego death" in some way, and make the user realize that they're part of a larger whole. Opiates produce the opposite effect IMO, they're the ultimate self-indulgent, solitary drug and opiate addicts are more often than not very selfish, self-centered people. Basically I agree with what sekio said.
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Well said.

Imo this isn't really suited for OD, so I'm going to move it to DC
 
ShroomySatori said:
Yeah... positive at first. Until your brain gets used to it, and it becomes the new boring normal. Not to mention without it, you experience physical fucking agony like I am right now, wishing you had a gun to put a bullet in your head. Not to mention tolerance. How to attain the same high, you need more and more of a dose over time, and other side effects kick in like over-sedation ruining the high. At this point, welcome to hell. Hope you enjoyed your initial stay.

This is how it is in 99% of cases when people set out to use opiates with any sort of intention. It even happens to regular people just trying it too, or getting a random prescription. It has taking longer than half a decade for me to progress to shooting heroin. I started out taking 2.5mg oxy (half a percocet) for pain and getting really high off that. My brain simply isn't capable of attaining that sort of high anymore.

How long have you been using and at one dose? It can take years to destroy you. It took 18 months of constant intake of opium, hydromorphone, heroin, oxy's for me to develop any sort of serious withdrawal symptoms at all. Before that, it was like having the flu (6 months in). Now, it's two weeks bedridden out for the count, unbelievable suffering followed by months/years of agonizing cravings, panic attacks, insomnia... I don't even bother, I choose to sniff dope and eventually will soon shoot it.

It's just never worth it in my opinion considering the potential outcome. If you have something like chronic pain and not an addictive personality it can work out sometimes. Or if you're just trying it for fun and you don't already have a reason aka something really bothering you.

If they were legal and you could have them all the time, it wouldn't be so much of a problem. Not the healthiest thing but not the worst thing either. A lot of the issues come down to stigma and legal problems along with the black market and availability. People who want or need them, who are full blown addicts should just be able to have them in my opinion. I am personally a fully function human being when I have a nice dose of heroin in my system. Otherwise, I can barely get out of bed unless I take meth.
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Would over-sedation be good for anxiety?

I have only been using it for about 2 months now, at about 10-20 mg once a week, boosted with about 1-3 shots of 40% alcohol. It seems to work wonders, no negative side effects observed as of yet. I have about 45 mg left, and I don't plan on getting any more. I think the dose and frequency is too low and far apart for any sort of addiction or withdrawal.

I have been taking them mostly for experimental purposes, testing various pain tolerance levels and also cold tolerance levels. It does seem to have positive psychological effects at this dosage as well.

I've taken benzos at the same rates, and there was no withdrawal or addiction short term. And benzos are said to have even more withdrawal effects and negative side effects, and I experienced absolutely none. I assume that this is the safest dose and frequency for mostly any drugs.
 
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Eisbaer said:
Would over-sedation be good for anxiety?

I have only been using it for about 2 months now, at about 10-20 mg once a week, boosted with about 1-3 shots of 40% alcohol. It seems to work wonders, no negative side effects observed as of yet. I have about 45 mg left, and I don't plan on getting any more. I think the dose and frequency is too low and far apart for any sort of addiction or withdrawal.

I have been taking them mostly for experimental purposes, testing various pain tolerance levels and also cold tolerance levels. It does seem to have positive psychological effects at this dosage as well.

I've taken benzos at the same rates, and there was no withdrawal or addiction short term. And benzos are said to have even more withdrawal effects and negative side effects, and I experienced absolutely none. I assume that this is the safest dose and frequency for mostly any drugs.
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It takes awhile to get your first habit. You wont even realize it. If you keep your use like how it is right now forever and never up the dose or frequency then you'll be ok. Thing is, you'll feel ok doing it twice a week. and three times a week. Honestly, I used to be able to do a full week on and a full week off and not experience any bad effects while off them. It seemed like i could use whenever and put it down and come back when i pleased. So you don't really think about it as a danger, and its easy to convince yourself you're never going to have problems. It might take a looooong time, but eventually it'll end up being a week on, week off. then two week on, 4 days off, and that fourth day, well, you aren't sick, you just really want it. eventually you get to the place where you'll "quit tomorrow" or "next week" and you'll keep putting it off. Once you have your first withdrawal you're already months and months too late. you can get through it, but its the knowledge of the comfy warm happy blanket of the opiates. The "everything's ok and you can do anything you want to" mentality that will keep coming back every time anything gets aggravating or stressful or sad or boring. and eventually there'll be the thought "today I deserve a good day because I've been doing so well and I've got everything together" so you use for one day. but the next day comes and its just "one more day". ore you keep it at once a week again. Point is, once you KNOW opiates, they're always there, with you in your head waiting to remind you there IS a way "out".

And Benzos are similar. just because you can take them for 2 weeks everyday and stop no problemo doesn't mean shit. And they are worse than opiates, their withdrawal can kill you and the addiction to them can cripple someone mentally for a long time after acute withdrawal is over. It takes TIME though. And the sense of security you have about your use is a recipe for ending up dependent. No one plans on getting more, no one plans on doing it again. Many people do. It's a "big scary" drug in media for a reason. You wont realize its taking control until you're too far to stop.
 
Eisbaer said:
Would over-sedation be good for anxiety?

I have only been using it for about 2 months now, at about 10-20 mg once a week, boosted with about 1-3 shots of 40% alcohol. It seems to work wonders, no negative side effects observed as of yet. I have about 45 mg left, and I don't plan on getting any more. I think the dose and frequency is too low and far apart for any sort of addiction or withdrawal.

I have been taking them mostly for experimental purposes, testing various pain tolerance levels and also cold tolerance levels. It does seem to have positive psychological effects at this dosage as well.

I've taken benzos at the same rates, and there was no withdrawal or addiction short term. And benzos are said to have even more withdrawal effects and negative side effects, and I experienced absolutely none. I assume that this is the safest dose and frequency for mostly any drugs.
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Oh and over sedation is good for anxiety in the sense that it would be hard to be anxious about things if you're so drowsy you're falling asleep.

Experimental purposes are good and all, but I feel like thats more of a justification for use than a real experiment. are you testing a hypothesis? do you have a null hypothesis? do you have a way to quantify the observations you make in such a way that you could preform statistical analysis on your findings? (so its not just an anecdotal report). Are you recording all of your experimental procedures, not just the experience? Do you have a clear method prepared so others could repeat your experiment to see if they get similar results? repeatable results are a pretty big deal with experiments. Have you done research to make sure the experiments you're trying haven't already been done and had clear results published by others? Its fun to repeat experiments to see if they work, but just going at it and doing experiments without checking to see if anyone else has already done the same thing and gotten good results to answer those questions isn't really contributing or anything, but its a good excuse to make your drug use sound important and like it's totally not a problem. Because I can almost guarantee the things you're trying to find in your experiments have already been done, peer reviewed, published, and available for review. but whats the fun in that.
 
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