Poppy seeds

[Piper methysticum]

..Hmm. Where to start. Well, I had decided to become disinterested in attempting to make tea from just Poppy seeds due to people's negative opinions about it. However, after my friend bought a bunch to grow this summer, he made 75g into a tea and drank it. He called me up and swore he felt like he took up to 15mgs of Hydrocodone. This sparked up a little interest. I might add that I do things experimentally, and I enjoy any effect I get from a substance no matter how subtle it may be. I have had an Opaite tolerance, and I've had strong doses of Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Hydromorphone, Morphine, Codeine, Heroin, and plenty of other Opates/Opioids. I just wanted to clarify that I know what the Opiate world is like so people don't just start saying I don't know what I'm talking about, and telling me to use "real" drugs. Well, today I bought 120g of Poppy seeds and made a tea with 90g. I put some of my normal blackberry sage tea in for a little flavor, and I drank it. It tasted very decent. When I usually take Hydrocodone or Oxycodone, I feel them within 15 minutes, they are in full effect by 25 minutes, and are starting to wear off withing 45 minutes to an hour. I felt a little strange after 20 minutes of drinking the tea, but I was fully convinced that this tea wouldn't do much at all other than this strange sedation. I ate a sandwich, and then decided to go to the friend's house who told me about it. I felt more of an Opiate like feeling coming on during the 10 minute ride there, but it wasn't strong. However, about 10-15 more minutes after I arrived, I started feeling really nice. I had a nice Opiate euphoria that felt extremely natural and "clean." I hadn't felt anything close to that since I smoked Opium a few times a few years back, which I might add was definitely better than this tea. However, I couldn't say I wasn't surprised and that I wasn't enjoying it. We went down to this friend's dock with another friend of his, and we smoked a little Cannabis. This synergized very well with the Morphine effects I was having. The high lingered for around an hour after that and slowly faded. At such a low dose of 90g, I am interested in seeing what around 300g would feel like. Has anyone had any positive experiences with just Poppy seeds?

 

[Partykid12]

Well I tried to do that once and all I got from it was a little bit of a high that I think was pretty much placebo.... I am also very experienced with the world of Opiates but still think it was just a placebo effect. All I got from it was a bad stomach ache...

 

[jj27xx]

^^exact same thing happened to me. A friend of mine convinced me to drink some tea. Slightly noticeable effects, but not worth the stomach ache you get.

 

[themadhungarian]

Piper... seed tea can indeed be very powerful, as you know that it is the amount of Opium stuck to the outside of the seed that determins the strength. I read a fairly credible report where an idiot made tea from and entire Kilo of seed, and took 'some' Benadryl. He had to be revived with Narcan because he had OD'ed.
So if you can find bulk seeds (easy and cheap), you can go fairly far if you have little to no tolerance. And before trying poppy tea, I did try seed tea 5 times, and it worked three times. Not knowing any better at the time I simply went to the grocery store, for shopping of course.
Good seeds= good time.
Be safe

 

[Piper methysticum]

Cool. At least I'm not the only one that's had a decent experience with them. I mean, I'm not trying to say it's the best way to get an Opaite high, but it does work, and I loved the type of Opiate high it gave me. I know it wasn't placebo because I gave up after about 20 minutes, thinking that since the Opiate was readily dissolved in the liquid, that it would kick in more like Hydrocodone/Codeine syrup. It caught me off gaurd. The high wasn't quite as strong as I would have liked, but it was much better than I expected. I am going to try it again with around 250-300g. Does anyone know what caused the dragged out onset? I actually really enjoyed that. This has really got me interested in trying the pod tea. If I got that much from seeds, I would probably love the pods. Apparently I just lucked out on getting some seeds that had a considerable amount of Morphine in them.

..Oh, and I didn't really get a stomach ache. I felt like I was starting to get the first signs of a stomach ache coming on, but it never came.

 

[PattyOC14me]

HI Piper,
It's very common for pt to take a while to feel it.I guess it would be the same for seed tea.For me, it takes about an hour to hour and a half to feel PT.
I didn't think the seeds would yield a decent cup.
Piper, try taking an antacid before you drink any PT. It will get rid of all the acid in your belly , and the effects are much better.

Peace, Patty%)

 

[silverfucked]

it is a dirty drug, but it works in a pinch, assuming you have a low or no tolerance..

200 grams should do the trick and 454 grams(1 pound) has gotten me on a nod before.

ezpect flames.

 

[themadhungarian]

Apparently I just lucked out on getting some seeds that had a considerable amount of Morphine in them.

Not in them, but on them. And it is not just Morphine, it is Opium, made up of 38-40 different alkaloids. Do make sure and visit that one pod site before getting into poppy tea. If you over do it, you are in a mess of trouble. You get not just one drug to withdrawl from, but 40, please consider that.

Why flames SF, some people think it does not work, because they get poor seeds, their tolerance is too high, or they prepare the seeds improperly. And yes, it is not the best, as some seeds are a bit dirty, but of course they cannot be washed as you would loose what you are after.

Oh yes, and it is very typical to not feel anything or very little until one hour, peak at 1.5 to 2 hours.

 

[Piper methysticum]

I am very aware of the different alkaloids within Opium. However, there is more of a percentage of Morphine than the other alkaloids. I am aware of addiction and withdrawl as well. I have used many Opiates/Opioids. I am not planning on using seeds, pods, or Opium itself often at all. The experiences from these natural sources are special to me, unlike those from prescription medications. I love the dream-like state it brings.

 

[negrogesic]

Seeds, the ones at the supermarkets, are usually washed off, which means the alkaloids are mostly gone. If you find some unwashed seeds, you would have much more sucess. I tried 1/2 a pound of unwashed seeds when i had no tolerance (i mean, i wasnt on methadone, so i guess i had still had some tolerance), and i didnt feel anything. But i suppose if you use enough and if you have a low tolerance.

But for christsakes, why not fucking use dried pods. The highest i ever got from pod tea were from the dried floral section of a local craft store (they were very cheap). These craft store pods were better than the sources that "tea heads" had given me and sworn that they were great. I dont like pod tea, but poppy seed tea is just desperate. Get some pure mu- agonists like oxycodone.....

 

[silverfucked]

I beg to differ on the supermarket thing... I had a friend who would lift tons of the McCormick vials of seeds from markets..

He made some tea for me one time, using McCormick, about 300 grams, and it felt easily like 25-30mg hydrocodone.

As for being dirty, im saying that there are alot of extra alkaloids in there.. Aside from the 40 or whatever in the opium, the seeds themselves probably have their own alkaloids in them..

I usually get a decent headache after doing this, and also there is a definite raise in blood pressure/pulse, but a decrease in respiration, which leads to some weird feelings, and trouble sleeping.

 

[kalt_kalt]

just b/c there are 40 or so alkaloids in opium doesn't mean being addicted to opium means you're addicted to all of its alkaloids. That's just stupid. Alkaloid is not a synonym for addictive substance. Morphine and codeine are the opiates in opium. You're not going to get addicted to thebaine or papaverine, or any of the other isoquinoline alkaloids found in opium. While it is certainly an interesting mix of alkaloids, only morphine and codeine will cause addiction. The thebaine can cause headache and stiff muscles and raised blood pressure.

 

[Piper methysticum]

negrogesic, I have a whole bottle of Oxycodone 5mgs without Acetaminophen. I liked the seed tea better. I love natural sources of Opiates, or any other drug for that matter. What's wrong with that?

The seeds I used were the McCormick brand, and I told my friend that told me about it that next time I would use 300mgs, and that it would most likely provide an experience equivilant to 25-30mgs of Hydrocodone. So, silverfucked, it looks like you share the same opinion. I am going to look for some pods, but I don't know of any craft stores that would sell them around my area. I wouldn't mind trying pod tea.

..Also, one more question. I was reading on a website that when you make pod tea, you have to boil the water, but put the powdered pods in after you take the pot from the stove. Obviously this is so you don't destroy the alkaloids. However, when I made the seed tea, I poured water into a pot, added some lemon juice, boiled the hell out of it for 10 minutes, added some blackberry sage tea for flavor, then some sugar, and I drank it. What would be the ideal way to make tea from seeds?

 

[clandenstine]

this isnt pot dude

as you know that it is the amount of Opium stuck to the outside of the seed that determins the strength.

why would opium be on the seeds, its not really like pot...???

besides, since opium is derived from the latex from the scratched bloom pod, (similar to a sap), the seeds wouldnt have been formed i wouldnt think, im not sure, ive never grown poppy's... now im wondering if getting these seeds, and growing poppy, and deriving some opium would be fun,

FOR harm reductions sake, the dea would probably bust you quick for growing poppy that dont bloom, and is all scratched up....
lol, so not a good idea, PLUS, poppy has a strong intoxicating (literally) aroma.

why im posting on this i have no idea, it was of complete irrelavence, sometimes happens when people frequent this kinda subject matter.

<----------- baked.

 

[themadhungarian]

im not sure, ive never grown poppy's

Right. And so you are wrong, I have grown. The seeds are in the pod at the same time, and before, the latex is produced. So this is why the unwashed seeds give you effects, you are just washing the Opium off them. Lemon juice does noting to aid in extraction, there is no proof too it. I would just boil some hot water, take it off the stove, and then pour it over the seeds in another pan, leave about an inch of water over the top of the seeds, let stand 15 minutes, you can stir a few times, strain, and drink. Boiling seeds does not help, the O on the ouside has been exposed enough to the elements.

And the other comment

Obviously this is so you don't destroy the alkaloids

You cannot generate enough heat on your stovetop to ruin your #1 fav drug in Opium, Morphine. Not until 400F is reached will you harm the M, and since wanter boils at 220f, you can boil that sucker for hours and not harm it. I have known people to just crockpots and simmer overnight. Many find good results with a medium boil on the stove for twenty minutes, let cool, strain and drink. Flavor it of course if you don't want to puke

And another

just b/c there are 40 or so alkaloids in opium doesn't mean being addicted to opium means you're addicted to all of its alkaloids

QUOTE]only morphine and codeine will cause addiction[/QUOTE]

KK, there have been NO studies by any government as to how the 35 less interesting to the drug companies alkaloids present in Opium (poppy tea) act seperately, or in combination on the body. No reports exists, because there is no funding for such projects. So saying what you did above is a bad assumption. I am not saying you are wrong, but likely not right. Consider that addiction to poppy tea will give you most likely 5-7 days of fun filled withdrawls, whereas with just Morphine, you are looking at 3-4 days, same with Heroin. The content of M in the pods is suprisingly low, it is the combination of those 40 drugs that give it that special feel, and that nasty WD. Most agree, of widely available opiates, Methodone is the worst to WD from, then Heroin, then Poppy Tea. I am utterly convinced that habitually consuming 40 drugs for periods of months or years everyday, and stopping them all at the same time, is gonna hurt pretty bad. Effects also last up tp 24 hours, what other opie does that? PT may not be all that 'strong' of a high to some that have experienced IV drugs, and it does not agee wth some, but if you have good pods and do too much too often, PT has a nasty bite. It is no joke.

 

[Piper methysticum]

Well, next time, I will probably boil it for a short time, and then turn down the heat so as to not destroy the Codeine. I'm not positive, but I believe Codeine can be destroyed at much lower temperatures than Morphine. Actually, I am going to put the seeds in a bowl, and pour in enough lemon juice to soak through them. Then, I am going to pour the whole mixture in the boiled water.

One more question.. I read from a source that the acetic acid in the lemon juice changes a small amount of the Morphine into Diacetylmorphine. Is there any truth to this? If this is true, would it be a significant enough amount to notice any additional euphoric properties?

 

[silverfucked]

there is no acetic acid in lemon juice... its citric acid.. It would require acetic acid(vinagar), but simply mixing the two doent form heroin..

You are getting high off of oral morphine when you do poppy tea...

Oh and Piper, I hope you meant 300grams, not mg.

The most potent ones ive foundd are the "Spice Islands" brand..

If you have Food Lions from where you are from, they sell 100gram bottles of poppy seeds for about $1.50..

If I go and buy 5 of those, ill be nodding out for a good 8 hours. Of course, they always ask why im buying so many, but I just say my moms a cook.

 

[PhreeX]

It is true... while I will alwyas favor a good ole fentanyl patch or OxyContin over some tea, using the seeds you buy at the supermarket CAN make some damn good tea, I mean, you may need to buy 5 bottles (as was said) to get off, but if yer stuck in a rut it is a damn effective way to at loeast make the cravings LESS ... would I say that it's going to wreck you? No, but it will give you a nice mellow buzz, and it's cheap too!

 

[silverfucked]

wow.. that was the exact opposite reply i expected from you.. ^

 

[themadhungarian]

Well, next time, I will probably boil it for a short time, and then turn down the heat so as to not destroy the Codeine

Hey Piper... The C will be destroyed at 160F, and even as you approach that temp, the C will break down. So if you bring it to a boil, you loose the C content entirely. Plus, at best, pods (i don't know about seeds) only contain 2% Codeine, so there is no big loss in the bigger picture. Nope, it is not the greatest high, but SO available, and if you have nothing else, it will work in a pinch if you habbit is not high, as another member said. But tea from pods is far superior, or can be, depends on how often you do it.....