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Poppy Seed Tea...

Shit! thanks so much Christ!......But I wish i'd read your post earlier...currenty drinking after my usual 30 min soak.......i will pour the second wash into a seperate container NOW!
 
LOLyeah...I though that was pretty funny too.....small world DrugMentor.

O.k. Christ! I poured the liquid off the second wash into a seperate container...and refilled . Gonna try both ways. I hope what you say gets me higher...cause it would be nice if 1kg was enough instead of this 2-3kilo shit....it's too expnsive. I will try your method wth 1 kilo in 2 days time when i buy my next batch. I wanna cut down and get higher at the same time.....so this kills two birds with one stone- I cut down to a kilo AND get higher..... ha. Thanks for your welcomes and info.
 
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^ Have you ever tried codeine CWE? Or any pharmaceutical opioids for that matter? It would be interesting if you could compare the PST experience to that of another opiate taken at a specific dose. For example I would be very interested to hear how a kilo of poppy seeds goes compared to say, 500mg CWE codeine.

The CWE process probably wouldn't be much more trouble than making PST, and unless you are deficient in CYP2D6 I imagine you would enjoy codeine.

I would be interested in trying PST, if I were convinced that in the (not overly likely) event that the seeds I got were half decent I would be getting a buzz equal to or greater than I typically would from codeine.
 
whats CWE codeine? I had heroin, methodone, codeine (from parcetamol and codeine pills) and kratom....thats about all the opiates i've had and one time pethadene (or whatever pain killer they give you at a hospital when undergoing a liver biopsy). In Thailand years ago...i use to buy practamol and codeine pills...and take ten of them in a night.....quite regurly (I din't know how harmful paracetamol was for your liver at that time)...I can't remember the strangth of them....so thats no use to you....sorry. It was pleasant. The tea I make...gets me off chops just as satisfyingly as any of these. Though of course at certain times i have been way more out of it (on heroin for etc) I havent had heroin or methodone in years.....I was addicted to Kratom in thailand for 6 years. The tea is stronger than the kratom.
I'm interested in trying new ways to make it....with less seeds, less water and quicker times. I'm currently sitting here with 3 litres of liquid...the seeds (2.7kg) are soaking in 3 seperate containers...I repeatedly "wash" them and constantly have a cup full of this stuff on the go.....i will drink it all night....by the time i go to bed...sometime around 4a.m.....I will have drunk god knows how many liters??? 40?? BY about 9p.m.. tonight i will be pretty wasted (thats the usual pattern anyway) ....i've nearly finished the liquid from the first wash and feel pretty good....nice warm, mild opiate buzz.
 
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I am guessing the codeine tablets you got in Thailand were 'Codalgin Forte' which contain 30mg of codeine phosphate and 500mg paracetamol. 10 of these is 5 grams of paracetamol which is slightly higher than the maximum daily intake of 4 grams, to take this amount regularly was probably not too healthy for your liver. That owuld also mean 300mg was a recreational dose of codeine for you.

Codeine CWE stands for codeine cold water extraction, it is a method of dissolving codeine and paracetamol/ibuprofen containing pills and then filtering them so you are left with a solution containing most of your codeine and very little of the para/ibu. By preparing and consuming CWE you save your internal organs from the havoc caused by panadol.

I think the seeds must contain pathetically low traces of alkaloids if several kilos of seeds is only on par with 300mg of codeine. Perhaps the seeds are soaking up a large % of your goodies due to the long soaking time as Christ! suggests, I will be interested to hear if the effects improve with hias posted method.

If you enjoyed codeine very much in Thailand you may want to look up codeine CWE, as I am sure you are aware it is OTC in certain preparations in codeine and a rather pleasant drug to use recreationally, tolerance and enzymes permitting that is. I think that given the inconsistency with poppy seeds codeine CWE is probably much safer. I haven't priced poppy seeds lately but I would wager a few boxes of panadeine are cheaper than 3 kilos of poppy seeds.
 
No worries spinfish, not sure if it'd be noticeable on the second wash but hopefully :)

Drug mentor - I might be able to help you out with that one.

Codeine for me has always been really euphoric, easy to nod...seem to get more out of it than most people.

500mg Codeine vs. an equivalent dose of seed tea (can't really put an amount like 1.2kg as it varies so much)

PST is more stimulating, although I could nod off it. This was a positive for me as high doses of codeine would make me too sleepy.

PST lasts much longer, kicks in slower starting as soon as 10 minutes and full effects might not be felt for +2 hours. Codeine always kicked in very quickly for me which is kind of strange considering it has to be metabolised first.

Taking PST at 6pm would still have me feeling something when I got up in the morning, and when I was addicted it would 'hold' me for over 24 hours.

PST is hard to dose and effects depend on this obviously...anything from sick for 24+ hours to not feeling a thing. PST seems to get more euphoric the more you use it, possibly because you grow tolerant to the alkaloids like thebaine which for non-tolerant people would take away from the high or make them sick.

Hard to compare the two exactly since you're dealing with codeine vs. the many alkaloids in poppies...not sure how well I've explained it here.

Once I got used to PST I'd compare it more closely to oxycodone than morphine, unlike codeine. Other things I preferred about PST compared to codeine is time spent on preparation (quicker) and price (cheaper).


Also - way less histamine response with PST
 
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^ If you are telling me this shits cheaper I really might have to get off my arse and give it a shot atleast once.

The way you described the effects actually makes perfect sense to me, and although they make me quite confident that codeine will be more my cup of tea, it has definately piqued my interest in PST.

I have also always found it rather odd that codeine is a pro drug yet in my experience one of the fastest oral drugs to hit, I have also found it rather curious that is seems to have a noticeably shorter duration than oral morphine for me, one would think since codeine is converted into morphine that its duration would be atleast as long, perhaps longer as it actually needs to be metabolised into morphine.
 
Cheaper maybe if you can get high off a kilo or so....this 2-3 kilo shit is rediculous... i wanna get off it...I'm addicted...and i concur about what you said (about 24 hours "hold")...it's weird the withdrawals dont really start for ATLEAST 24 hours after the high has worn off....but they are as unbearable as any opiate withdrawal i've experienced.....anyways.....it's all good fun if you don't get a habit.
Also i get way more out of it on the tea than i did on the codeine pills i was taking. ,,...i remember they were "Tylonol with paracetamol"....not that strong....but with alcohol (i know, i was young and stupid...didn't know about liver damage from paracetamol....thought i was invincible) I was geting a good buzz....tried the extraction method a few times towards the end ....not sure if that made them any safer or not. Anyway, getting back to the topic of PST... About this seed absorbtion...
O.k....so leaving it soaking, the seeds soak up the alkaloids that get you high....well, that would explain...why i am still getting a buzz after countless washes and after leaving them all night. .....if the seeds ar soaking up the alkaloids, surely it must be possible that long term soaking will "re- extract" the alkaloids....based on the what goes in, must come out theory??? ahah....
..Look, i don't know much, but i know I get high off them...even if they have been soaking overnight. I am going to try your way (Christ!) about the short "washes" with lots of shaking and hope that this will (it should) produce a more concentrated tea.......thanks for your info, support...patience etc......
.....oh, and i'm feeling pretty good about all this...i hope you are too....more tea anyone?
 
^ The only place I've found talking about cannabinoids in papaver somniferum is wikipedia and unsourced at that. It could still be true, but I'd like to see something trustworthy talking about.

I might have a poke around my journal sources, see if there's anything :)

Very quick search through: nothin'. At all.
 
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SLight sedation, weird stimulation and mild nausea. Would have needed another 500g for decent effects that woulda had me throwing my guts up for sure.

Going to head to the markets and start experimenting with their seeds.
 
SLight sedation, weird stimulation and mild nausea. Would have needed another 500g for decent effects that woulda had me throwing my guts up for sure.

Going to head to the markets and start experimenting with their seeds.

Yeah I had the same result, I tried up to 1kg, it doesn't get much better.
 
I was really hoping to come back into this thread and read a really positive report from you jake, but it seems you have let me down :p

Honestly I would like to try this, but it seems a huge waste of time to those with any level of opiate tolerance.
 
How does it feel compared to codeine? ive always wanted to try it. Can u PM me or on msn as to what brand etc? How u feelin right now?
 
It was like half a pack of codeine with twice the nasua and twice the price.

Hopefully I will have more success after I have been to the markets.
 
^ Fingers crossed on the markets Jake, but honestly this is seeming more and more like even if you DO manage to get lucky and hit a decent high on the odd batch of seeds there is every chance the next batch wont do shit.

I think I will stick to codeine CWE for the time being.
 
this actually works... i usually cwe 2 packs of panafen plus so aroind 760 mg codeine, and that hasn't been hitting me that hard lately. just put 800 grams of hoyts poppy seeds in a 2 litre bottle, covered in water and lemon juice. i then drained the liquid and repeated the process. now the colour of my solution was a murky brown/yqllow colour and a lot of the seeds had turned red. on the second wash i used a tea-towel to filter the seeds with and squeezed every last dtop out of it. took a swig of dxm and 24 mg cyproheptadine. lets just say i'm smashed. more nauseous than codeine but oh i feel good... it reminds me more of an h high than codeine.
 
^ That means for my tolerance I would have to use about 1.6kg... day-um, I'd hate to think what would happen if there was a bit too much thebaine coating those seeds. :\
 
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