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Opioids Poppy pod tea = Opiate tolerance through the roof?

Seattle_Stranger

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If you want to skip the reading, my overall question is in red.

I definitely would not call myself opiate naive however I'm most certainly not a regular/heavy user and never was. For a little background: Back when I was prescribed percocet for tooth pain, which was less than 2 years ago, I barely had any experience with opiates at all. 10mg would make me feel great, pretty consistently too. I remember on several occasions that even just 10mg of hydrocodone with a beer or two and some weed would get me lit. My craziest opiate experience was my only IV experience. Hydromorphone, 1mg IV once an hour for 3 hours, just to give you an idea of how little opiate it would take to get me soaring.

Since then, I've drank poppy pod tea a whole bunch of times over the past couple months, but never habitually. Only would drink it on weekends, and never drank tea two days in succession, meaning I'd basically only drink 1-2 cups a week, only on weekends never on a weekday. I started out using about 20g per cup and I'd be floored. My last cup I had was about 40g and it only gave a moderate mood lift. I stopped drinking tea altogether about a month ago. FYI I didn't have any withdrawals, or anything like that, probably because I simply never made a real habit out of opiate use.

About a week or two ago, my roomie just handed me a bottle of vicodin saying he didn't want them (score! =D). Expecting the same as I always did from pain pills, and also expecting my tolerance to have gone down a little bit due to not using tea in about a month, I took two (10mg) along with 1mg clonazepam, and was pretty disappointed when I got no effects! Another day I tried taking 20mg, along with 1mg clonaz, some beer and some weed, and again, no effects! Last night, I made a last effort at it. 25mg hydrocodone, 60mg DXM, 1mg clonazepam, 400mg cimetidine, beer and weed. Still absolutely no effects!!!!

So, my questions:

Has anyone noticed that poppy pod usage has "ruined" other opiates for you?

Does it make sense that my opiate tolerance has become so high from such use?

Is it normal to be able to build such a tolerance to opiates and not go through withdrawals upon stopping?

Would this be what most people consider a rather high tolerance?

Could something be wrong?

What other factors could contribute to opiate tolerance?

Aside from DXM, is anything else known to aid with opiate tolerance reduction?

Does anyone know anything about the effect of lamotrigine (Lamictal) on opiate effects, tolerance, etc? I know it does something with the opioid receptors, but not sure what. I'm on 200mg daily. I've searched and searched and found nothing on this.


Sorry if this is a rather pointless thread, but it definitely bugs me! Knowing that just a couple months ago I could take 2 vicodin and be pinned all night, and now I can take 5 of them, amongst other things, and not feel a thing.

Thanks in advance for the answers! :)
 
I experienced the same thing in that poppies pretty much blew my tolerance through the roof. I see a lot of people writing pods off as weak or insignificant but I think they must have had weak pods.

Before my poppy days I could get a nice groove on with 20-30mg hydrocodone or oxycodone. Now? I can't even feel 120mg. The nay-sayers will write this off as normal tolerance so...

I've kept my poppy dosage relatively low. At 15g 2x daily I found that it took 180mg Morphine Sulphate to just feel it a little bit. Nowhere close to a nod. Just sort of "okay".

So yeah- poppies, strong poppies, can most definately blow tolerance through the roof and "ruin" one's opiate fun.

As far as the other questions about DXM and other things I'm sorry- I don't know anything at all about any of that. I think the only sure-fire way for me to reduce tolerance is to reduce intake. I've yet to find the free ride in any direction!

As an aside: My "fun" is ruined. I'm done. Tapering commences in 36 hours...
 
Well i've drank pod T on/off in recent months & then just last weekend started a detox from the Tea. Day 3 of mil withdrawal i took 300 mg of codeine & it simply had no apparent effect!

I'm sure this isn't permenant tho, i had a helluva lot of t last year & still caught a buzz off low dose oral morphine soon after so...
 
Everyone is different but after binging on T for a month or 2 I took a break, and 4-5 days in I went and took 2 Tylenol 4's (pre-T dose was 1 to get a little lift for 2-3 hours) hoping to get well/alleviate Wd/maybe feel a lil suttin' suttin'. Waited an hour and took 2 more then a 5th. I did get somewhat well but no buzz. Taking beans after only 4-5 days w/o tea was a total waste for sure.

However, about 3 weeks later I took a 7.5mg Percocet and got about the same effect as I used to from 1/2 of a 7.5. Since then my tolerance has about doubled for all opiate pills, and I notice that they last maybe a half an hour sooner the buzz starts to wane, and overall the comedown is almost non-existent. In my halcyon days of opiate abuse I could always feel the comedown and try to potentiate for another hour or so of effect, if not I'd at least know that I was wrapping up and enjoy another half hour of mild effects. Now there's next to none of that.

In short, your case sounds extreme, you SHOULD
absolutely be getting a pretty solid buzz from just the 25mg of hydrocodone, nevermind adding on the rest of the cocktail you describe solely based on my own experiences of course - everyone's body chem is different, and on top of that yours can change without warning). I don't know enough about Lamotrigine to tell you much, but I lean strongly toward saying that it's the sole thing that stands out in the equation you laid out.
 
Yes, Poppy Pod Tea will jack up your opiate tolerance thru the roof.

I maintained on PPT for a couple of years and other opiates had little affect on me, and even when I switched to Sub maintenance, it took me about 3-4 days to make the transition and not feel like shit.

PPT is a relatively inexpensive way to maintain an opiate habit, but it will raise your tolerance sky high and it is difficult to get off of Pods.

They contain many different alkaloids and they have a long half-life as well.

Looking back, I wish I never started up on them, but they were cheap and plentiful and even available via overnight shipping in an "emergency"
 
6 months or so off pods I can now get a decent buzz from codeine again, though it takes at least 300mg minimum plus a couple of drinks.

For a while after coming off the pods 300mg codeine was just keeping me going, staving off the post-pod misery. So the tolerance does fade, just takes a while.
Looking back, I wish I never started up on them

yeah me too
 
2 years ago i took tyenol 3's and it was best feeling ever. Now i drink pod tea everyday and i feel nothing, i need like 15 pods and a pack of pills too so ye almost same situation
 
I'm about ready to kiss goodbye to poppy tea. I took a week off, felt great, foolishly dosed on the weekend, now i'm having cramps again.

I have enough for one more strong tea later this summer but that's it. I'm gonna take a strong psychedelic later this year to try & reflect on my recent opiate use after that i'll stick to codeine when i need an opiate medicinally. Codeine has to be the most reliable opiate ally imho.
 
the tolerance from PPT is insane. I've been off pods for about a year (used/use suboxone and occasional heroin these days), and yeah PPT totally causes a huge tolerance.

I mainly found pod tea to ruin pharmaceutical opiates, particularly oxycodone and hydrocodone. I remember shooting an OC 80 in PPT withdrawal and only getting relief for like 20 minutes. I've found heroin, morphine (both IV), and fentanyl (smoked) to be the best pharm opiates to break through PPT tolerance.

But the good news is that after being off PPT for a few months my tolerance went away. I rarely use anything besides 2mg of suboxone a day but it seems I can get nice and high with whatever opiate now. But pods are no fucking joke. Probably the most addictive opiate I've used besides heroin.
 
It sounds like a lot of people noticed the same as me. Luckily, I quit while I was ahead. After using every weekend, even though I was pretty good with self control, I constantly was having urges to use during the week, could hardly wait until the weekend so I could use, and even was getting minor withdrawal symptoms mid-week such as headaches, cold sweats, anxiety, etc.. When I hit the 40g of pods mark, and was barely catching a buzz, plus the mid-week funk I was experiencing, I knew I was facing a very crucial fork in the road where I could continue on this road to ruin, or stop altogether and avoid addiction. I'm really glad I stopped, and while sure I miss a good ol' opiate buzz, I can live without it.

I wish the best of luck to those of you attempting a detox. I can't imagine how hard it must be coming off a daily habit.

Thank you guys for the answers, and again, I wish luck to those trying to better their lives! :)
 
Codeine has to be the most reliable opiate ally imho

Amen. I'm addicted to it, but its a VERY manageable habit in comparison to pods.

I get a pleasant buzz off it with a moderate amount of alcohol & occasionally diazepam when I can get it.

Days when I don't do codeine I get mild withdrawal symptoms, usually the shits. Loperamide sorts that out, & with a couple of drinks I'm feeling ok.
 
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