Police: Man loses stepson, 6, after drug buy

I support people's rights to buy and use drugs, but leaving your child in the car in a bad neighborhood at night while you get high is not acceptable behavior.
I hope the guy learns his lesson - maybe a little jail time would teach him some basic sense of responsibility.
 
They should have excecuted the useless mother fucker on the spot.

Seriously. There is no excuse for such thoughtlessness.
 
I support people's rights to buy and use drugs, but leaving your child in the car in a bad neighborhood at night while you get high is not acceptable behavior.
I hope the guy learns his lesson

i think leaving the kid in the bad neighborhood even if you arent getting high // scoring drugs is a no no..
 
No doubt this is being used as "See this is why drugs are so bad, people" message, when in reality it has little to do with drugs and alot to do with a terribly shitty fucking parent.
 
The main issue is the time this took place and where it took place.

Like I said earlier, that neighborhood is rough for an adult during the daytime. Let alone a kid left unattended in a car at 4:30 am!

Also, there's no indication of what he was buying. And it's safe to assume that he was going to drive with his kid in the car right after he scored and got high.

You're right: there is no indication of what drug he was buying. Is that neighborhood known for any one drug in particular?

Sounds to me like some kind of stim. Crack maybe? Or meth? Maybe this guy was up for a few days.

Its sad that he had to drive into that neighborhood to get drugs. The fact that he flagged police down and even admited to using shows that his concern for the kid overode his paranoia or personal concern of the consequences. He was probably panicking. Less likely, but possibly, the guy woke up dope sick, or was trying to kick and it got too rough. Went and got right- then forgot where the kid was and panicked.

Another question is where was the mom...out of town maybe? Working night shift? Did she have a habit- although you would expect that the kid would have stayed home with her in that case while he hooked up... but thats a question- did she have a habit? Did she know about his habit?

I support people's rights to buy and use drugs, but leaving your child in the car in a bad neighborhood at night while you get high is not acceptable behavior.
I hope the guy learns his lesson - maybe a little jail time would teach him some basic sense of responsibility.

The drug use does not excuse behavior. But it does explain things and it highlights a point I will make in a little bit.

stop being so judgemental, i think we can all relate to this...

I don't know about others but I can relate with this... Luckily I have never been put in the position when I was using of having to hook up with my child in the car. But having a habit has made me do things in the past I would not have done out of desperation so I can totally relate with this...

Chances are, that if drugs were legal, this guy probably wouldn't have to be in such a neighborhood at 4:30 am. This is why I personally support people's right to buy and use drugs. The bottom line is that the drug laws cause more harm than the drugs themselves. Thats why I feel drug legalization= harm reduction. At the very least, with the swiss model of harm reduction, not legalization, but much more sensible than the drug policy found in most places worldwide, that kid might have had a warm waiting room of a safe injection room/ safe crack smoking room, while his step dad used pharmaceutical drugs if this had been Zurich or Bern. Assuming the place was open 24 hrs. Other European cities like Frankfurt, Rotterdam, Hamburgh have similar types of places. They don't prevent bad parents from being bad parents but they make it less likely that people are going to be put into positions of unecessary and pointless desperation that cause them to act in ways that not only harm themselves but others around them.
 
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I was curious, since the writer of this article disclosed yhe step dads address, where the car was left, where the car was found with the boy in it. So I google maped the locations out of curiosity. He traveled about an hour from his home in Cooperstown, a town near Allenstown, assuming that is where he was when he started out- might have come from another location, to get to that neighboorhood near Northeastern Hospital in Northern Philadelphia Probably went to that location because you can hook up dope on the street and he was desperate, maybe dope sick, out of his mind jonesing? Thats pobably why he was 6 over and 3 blooks up from the car when the police found him- lost car while walking the streets trying to find a hook up. Maybe his normal connection was out of dope, or he relapsed after time clean, or just had to make the drive, because that was the only place he could find his drug of choice- maybe not available easily where he lives. I know lots of people that go 30 min to an hour to TJ and it always seemed like such a hastle- to cross an international border to get drugs, there are plenty of connections on this side of the border- but what I've found is that going down there, knowing its a sure thing makes it attractive, hense the number of people that go down there from SD county. What's alittle disconcerting is that it took 2 hours to find a kid in a car 7-8 blocks away. Not to be crtical of the cops, they have to put up with alot of bullshit but I wonder how many police resources where allocated to finding this kid, or if this guy basically got laughed at, his frantic concerns dismissed while he was taken away in handcuffs. Wonder how long it would have taken to find a drug offender, maybe a pot grower, hiding in the neighborhood. The step dad might not have been able to recall his liscense plate but I'm sure he could give the make and model of his car. 2 hours- 8 block radius, makes you wonder. Anyway if drugs were legalized, or at a minimum available medically through low threshold services- desperate addicts wouldn't be wandering the streets, endagering the lives of themselves and others. The great harm and tragedy is that this situation exists, and its costing the taxpayers alot of money to keep it going.

Wouldn't it be GREAT to find out the KID knew the asshole was off scoring drugs and leaving him there and decided to throw the car into gear and coast it down the street a couple blocks just to fuck with him?

That would be hillarious :D but I saw a 360 degree view on Google maps of the street the car was found and its a narrow one way street that appears kinda flat. Would have been hard to repark without blocking the street. Whats strange is that it does not strike me as a hard street to search- on foot with a flashlight or searchlight driving by- makes me wonder.:(
 
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^ lol thank you and google earth for answering yet another random hypothetical :)
 
^I would not ever leave a six year-old child unsupervised in a vehicle, under any circumstance.
 
He was there for either heroin, crack/coke, or pcp. Most likely heroin or pcp. Crack/coke is available much closer to him. But it's just a guess based on what's sold there and where he's from.
 
He was there for either heroin, crack/coke, or pcp. Most likely heroin or pcp. Crack/coke is available much closer to him. But it's just a guess based on what's sold there and where he's from.

I hate it when the media doesn't mention the drug. Its funny how in the square
world people don't ask that question. In their mind all drugs are them same. Somebody , in the news, might have broken into a car and the public might think to themselves, how did they do it, what tools did he/she use, ect... But in the case of drugs, in the publics view its all the same, atleast in this country.

All the above drugs fit the profile, but my money is on the guy was out getting stuff. I've lay in bed, sick as a dog, then suddenly my brain gives in, and then my brain goes on auto pilot. I don't have any instances where I have taken my kid to get dope (thank God!) but I've been with friends waiting in the car with their kids for the dope man in (pretty) bad neighborhoods more than once. When I would be sick, in early acute withdrawl (1st 72 hrs), is a hell unlike no other. For those not aquainted its alot like the bad case of the flu (varying with habit). But if that was it, it wouldn't be so bad. There is this horrible restlessness/ anxiety bordering on panic. You can't get comfortable so you get up, then you walk around but have no energy so you lay down again and you have deep bone pain and muscle aches, and you get up again feeling like a 99 year old. And you're nauseated, sometimes you don't make it to puke so you puke by the bed. Or you shit your pants because the diarrhea/ stomach cramps becomes severe. Your body is tortured by alternating hot and cold flashes, the hot flashes makes you cold sweat and your hair on your arms hurts/ feels fire with the sudeness of a furnace opening infront of you. The cold is of the type that creeps into your bones that goes really deep like your freezing to death. These are descriptive of a relatively moderate habit. With every kick certain symptoms are more distressing or more prominent than others. What always drove me crazy is an irritation/ feeling like rough skin/ gagging I would get in the back of my throat that would usually start early on. The kind that you would think a cough lozenge would work for (well it would if it had opium or fentanyl);) I don't know if others have experienced this (actually have heard people talk about "the thing in your throat) but this symptom would drive me insane. And after the first 24 hrs you can't sleep. Time seems to slow to a crawl and you get to experience every detail in all its horrific glory awake. But the intense craving was worse than anything. The inability to get the thought of using out of my head. The out of your mind insanely profound craving for more dope. For me the physical symptoms would peak 26-48 hrs and worse would be over by day three, but that craving would spike after day 3 for some reason even more intensely than the high level it had been. And the absolute very worse thing, you know that if you cop dope you will go from the worse hell imaginable to feeling great...just alittle dope will end that suffering imediately.

The rush from being deathly dope sick to getting right is a greater high in itself. My theory is this is why heroin maintenance has gone so well most notably in Switzerland, because that cycle of being sick, desperate, hustling, and getting right perpetuates the habit. This may explain why patients on heroin maintenance, with access to huge level of pharm dope typically drop their dose by 1/2-1/3 within the first 18 months of treatment. This is why alot decide to transition to other ORT treatment (I think its 1/3) or stop all opiates completely in higher number than street users (of course access to ancillary services doesn't hurt.)

When my brain would make the decission to use I would go on auto pilot. Having been imobolized with sickness I would get a jolt of energy. He might have thought when less sick or high that being stuck with the kid would be a deterrent to use and sounded good at the time. Getting the kid out the door and into the car, I would probably be of the mindeset that I would worry about the kid when I get there. In this scenario he could have hooked up and gotten right and not familiar with the environment, having been noded out for longer than he had perceived, panicked, searched, got more lost, realized he fucked up bad and flagged the cops.

Having experienced that desperation first hand I can totally relate. Not condone, but relate. This level of desperation motivated me to get clean. Got on MMT for 6 years but didn't wake up sick and desperate anymore. Helped stabalize my life and I tapered (feb 08 to zero mg). Recovery has allowed me to live life without drugs. If it wasn't for MMT and harm reduction- I might never had gotten there.

Im not saying what he did was right, but the stories I have of the amazing lengths I have at times gone because I was out of my mind dope sick with the malies could fill volumes of threads. I'm trully blessed today. Making people experience acute withdrawl from opiates while there are more humane treatments available is barbaric. It is is cruel and unusual punishment. Torture, the type of shit that should be banned by the international treaties, that shouldn't be tolerated by a civilized society. Being strung out should never in a million years justify scandalous behavior or behavior that harms others. But I gaurantee you- you legalize drugs and crime will plumet. Like the thread about the Dutch closing prisons in this forum.

Plausible scenarios can be developed for all the drugs phrozen mentioned. I've seen people jones hard for blast having grown up in the PCP capital of the world (which is San Jose- Don't care what anyone else says.:p:)

What a tragedy.

p.s. here in San Diego a couple of years ago, a youg lady locked her little boy (probably around the same age as this guys') in the trunck of her car...actually down the street from where I'm typing this. She wanted to go drinking at a bar with her friends and couldn't find a babysitter. Turns out it wasn't the first time she had done this. Now thats an example of something I have a hard time empathyzing with...Better candidate for negligent parent who should be shot award. She didn't lose her car while drunk and flag down the cops. A person(s) walking by heard banging on the trunk when they walked by and called cops.
 
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That only thing that sways me to think heroin is the time he went to cop. 4:30 in the morning if I'm remembering right. Like you mentioned, when you're dope sick, you'll do just about anything to get your fix. Reasoning and good judgment are not in use.
Back to the timing though, at that time there are no dealers out. Even in that area, which I'm very familiar with. So it would make sense that he'd meet up with a dealer at their house, or at a crack house, purchase and use there, and then return. The thing that doesn't make sense though, is that heroin wouldn't normally cause you to forget where you parked your car and kid. PCP would though.

And yes, I'm not sure why they didn't report what drug he said he purchased. Normally they do though.


I also agree with you that the shot when you're dope sick, and especially if it's a beyond get normal shot, is the best shot possible. Way better than your first time shooting dope.
 
I also agree with you that the shot when you're dope sick, and especially if it's a beyond get normal shot, is the best shot possible. Way better than your first time shooting dope.
i'm not familiar with shooting, but eating or snorting, this is true true
 
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